Guest The Libertine Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Getting bored of this now. We should have brought more players in, the players we have available are either A: not good enough or B: Injured. Thats as simple as i can put it, you either agree with this and think we'll get relegated so we should have done more to deal with the situation or you're completely happy with the situation and for some insane reason think we'll be perfectly fine as you clearly do. Only portsmouth, Middlesborough's & Hull's current form is as bad as ours. It is very likely that we will have a hard time picking up points from our future games & the teams around us will not. Please take a look at our fixture list. "We should have brought more players in" like i asked, you have £10 million at week 2. who would you buy? you previously specified "decent" players too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I wish we now had a soundbite of Ashley going 'judge me on deadline day!' or similar. As to be honest he didn't really promise us s***. It was all JFK promising us with his 'spoken to Mike, he agrees' shizzle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Oh go f***ing kill yourselves then if it's that bad, i'm not exactly delighted with the window but most in here are whining like a virgin after her first anal session(© some video I saw on utube) Sure your not talking from personal experience, a strange justification to make indeed. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx7X4cgh3qI Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Oh go f***ing kill yourselves then if it's that bad, i'm not exactly delighted with the window but most in here are whining like a virgin after her first anal session(© some video I saw on utube) Sure your not talking from personal experience, a strange justification to make indeed. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx7X4cgh3qI Seen it, quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 News. Sort of. Fabio Zambalera moves on loan to Sampdoria with a view to a permanent move at end of season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 News. Sort of. Fabio Zambalera moves on loan to Sampdoria with a view to a permanent move at end of season. the youth policy is beginning to reap dividends. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 News. Sort of. Fabio Zambalera moves on loan to Sampdoria with a view to a permanent move at end of season. I posted that weeks ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Getting bored of this now. We should have brought more players in, the players we have available are either A: not good enough or B: Injured. Thats as simple as i can put it, you either agree with this and think we'll get relegated so we should have done more to deal with the situation or you're completely happy with the situation and for some insane reason think we'll be perfectly fine as you clearly do. Only portsmouth, Middlesborough's & Hull's current form is as bad as ours. It is very likely that we will have a hard time picking up points from our future games & the teams around us will not. Please take a look at our fixture list. "We should have brought more players in" like i asked, you have £10 million at week 2. who would you buy? you previously specified "decent" players too. Sorry am i a scout suddenly put in place to determine all the possible players the world over that we could have bought. Give up with your useless arguments. You are quite clearly severely deluded about our position and think we're in absolutely no trouble whatsoever regardless of the fact that our whole side is becoming cripples & our curent manager shows no tactical awareness whatsoever whilst all the other sides around us bar portsmouth and middlesborough are getting better results. Guess what, if current form of each side continues in a similar manner, we'll be the 3rd side in the drop zone. I dont believe our form will improve with Everton, Man utd, arsenal & chelsea coming up. You clearly do, good luck with that. The end Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 So the magic window is now closed and Newcastle have once again managed to come out of it probably worse off than ever before. Mike Ashley will be beaming - will Given and N`Zogbia out for combined fees north of £12m and just £6m for Nolan, Lovenkrands and Taylor, he`s got an extra £6m+ in the bank. Add that to the Milner £12m and you can have no doubts over the asset stripping nature of the current regime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I was just wondering, where are the 2 'expensive' loan players we agreed deals with? And why the fuck have we not sold Geremi? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Oh go f***ing kill yourselves then if it's that bad, i'm not exactly delighted with the window but most in here are whining like a virgin after her first anal session(© some video I saw on utube) Sure your not talking from personal experience, a strange justification to make indeed. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx7X4cgh3qI Seen it, quality. mackems.gif That's the best one of those I've ever seen! Giggs and Rooney in 40 years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Libertine Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Sorry am i a scout suddenly put in place to determine all the possible players the world over that we could have bought. Give up with your useless arguments. You are quite clearly severely deluded about our position and think we're in absolutely no trouble whatsoever regardless of the fact that our whole side is becoming cripples & our curent manager shows no tactical awareness whatsoever whilst all the other sides around us bar portsmouth and middlesborough are getting better results. Guess what, if current form of each side continues in a similar manner, we'll be the 3rd side in the drop zone. I dont believe our form will improve with Everton, Man utd, arsenal & chelsea coming up. You clearly do, good luck with that. The end so you're demanding we should have brought more (decent, you said) players in but you cant name anybody you would go for with £10 million? even on a harmless, not actually real, internet forum? or has reality just smacked you between the eyes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 So the magic window is now closed and Newcastle have once again managed to come out of it probably worse off than ever before. Mike Ashley will be beaming - will Given and N`Zogbia out for combined fees north of £12m and just £6m for Nolan, Lovenkrands and Taylor, he`s got an extra £6m+ in the bank. Add that to the Milner £12m and you can have no doubts over the asset stripping nature of the current regime. They tried though. Good lads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wally_McFool Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 So the magic window is now closed and Newcastle have once again managed to come out of it probably worse off than ever before. Mike Ashley will be beaming - will Given and N`Zogbia out for combined fees north of £12m and just £6m for Nolan, Lovenkrands and Taylor, he`s got an extra £6m+ in the bank. Add that to the Milner £12m and you can have no doubts over the asset stripping nature of the current regime. *awaits Mikes mate/employee Ian W coming along to put you right. * Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 It's all meh.amateurs at the top of our club's structure,who havent been able to strengthen our squad when it was essential that we did.One surplus player clearly isn't enough.Letting Citeh wait till the eleventh hour to tell us no deal for Johnson.Disgusting really how a successful businessman like Mike Ashley has allowed his think tank to put all our eggs in one basket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I don't see how I'm taking your points that widely. What I'm saying is 'we've consistently failed to get what we need in transfer windows while under Ashley's administration' and I'm identifying that a factor present in each of those windows is Ashley's administration. There's more to it than that, of course, there's the fact that all three of his managers have expressed deep dissatisfaction with the way his administration conducts its behaviour during windows, for example. Seems logical, then, to hold suspicions. If we ARE going to look at the wider picture, then things look even worse. There's the fact he's gone through three managers in 18 months and the latest of them is Joe Kinnear. Wider circumstances thus make the results of our affairs with the transfer market even more important. This latest failure is all the more significant, therefore. I think it's a bit unfair to call the last transfer window a failure in terms of the actual business we did. Selling Milner without a real replacement was a disappointment but all in all it was pretty good. The defence isn't perfect but looks 100% better, we brought in a winger, an attacking midfielder and a striker. Yes with hindsight for various reasons some haven't worked but the two notable disappointments are the two that haven't been given a chance for one reason or another. The consistent problem is we continue to sell so we're never addressing the issue of depth. I'm all for selling off the dead wood or even average first teamers for the right price and that's what we have done. Unfortunately in doing this we've left ourselves a bit short and this has been exposed horribly by the recent injury crisis. We had a chance to address this in this window and that's why it is particularly disappointing. So I'd say we have got what we wanted it's just we've left ourselves with no back up as such which in its self in an error but not one to constitute all of the Ashley regime's transfer windows a failure. Other manager's have expressed their dissatisfaction about the way things are done but I don't think that's because the transfers themselves it's more the fact they weren't getting the specific players they wanted. That's a mistake of appointing the wrong man for the job, not of bringing in the wrong players. A mistake as you correctly pointed out fits into the much bleaker wider perspective. Failure can only really be defined in context. On one occasion more success may be required than on another occasion for them both to be considered as being comparatively useful. It's for that reason that I consider this particular window to be particularly detrimental. As for last Summer, taken in isolation it wasn't singularly awful, but it was certainly disillusioning and like I say, windows can only really be taken in relation to their circumstances and its final week was the crescendo which brought us to where we are now. Incidentally, just to clarify where I think we are now, this is the first time in recent history that I can seriously envisage us going down. Certainties? Maybe not, but I didn't feel that the club would go down under Souness etc. - not because the managers would not take us down but because the club fundamentals were superior or even because I felt the bad manager would be ousted and 'new man syndrome' would carry us over the finishing line, in the way Roeder did. This last point relates very heavily to Ashley, both regarding transfer windows and generally - I am consistently amazed by the actions or lack of action taken by his administration. To visit your last point about managerial dissatisfaction, it doesn't solely relate to the players chosen - would that it were. Instead, at the fourth attempt, we have Kinnear complaining about the lack of activity coming from above and having to call meetings mid-window to get arses moving. Why haven't they learnt? Its why I've come to not take too seriously ideas that 'all kinds of things must be taking place behind the scenes' - there appears to be a consistent lack of urgency or appreciation of the position the club is in at any given point. Anyway, back to general management and one of the reasons we may go down. I don't have much time for Kinnear, and I understand you don't either. If it looks like we're in serious trouble with a few games to go, what do you see the Board doing to help our cause in any way? I'm not convinced they'll do the right thing at the right moment, I'm not convinced they'd get someone appropriate in afterwards and because of the state the club is widely perceived as being in, I'm not sure they could bring that appropriate person in if they wanted to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Ah the witch hunt is starting to gather momentum. Cracking how without full knowledge of what's going on people point the finger regardless. We can't praise the recruitment team because they didn't do their job but at the same time I'd like to know why before I start blaming them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Sorry am i a scout suddenly put in place to determine all the possible players the world over that we could have bought. Give up with your useless arguments. You are quite clearly severely deluded about our position and think we're in absolutely no trouble whatsoever regardless of the fact that our whole side is becoming cripples & our curent manager shows no tactical awareness whatsoever whilst all the other sides around us bar portsmouth and middlesborough are getting better results. Guess what, if current form of each side continues in a similar manner, we'll be the 3rd side in the drop zone. I dont believe our form will improve with Everton, Man utd, arsenal & chelsea coming up. You clearly do, good luck with that. The end so you're demanding we should have brought more (decent, you said) players in but you cant name anybody you would go for with £10 million? even on a harmless, not actually real, internet forum? or has reality just smacked you between the eyes? Mate if you think i have the same player knowledge as our scouting system then that once again is just a massive failure for Ashley isnt it, the guy you're endlessly backing. How about Skjelbred, the guy keegan supposedly turned down the last window. A young playermaker with lots of potential who was also a newcastle fan. Jay simpson, the lad west brom got on loan. I am not going to waste 10 minuted looking around all the players we've been linked with just because you're to slow to consider that the argument you're making is an absolute joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Ah the witch hunt is starting to gather momentum. Cracking how without full knowledge of what's going on people point the finger regardless. We can't praise the recruitment team because they didn't do their job but at the same time I'd like to know why before I start blaming them. How about we just blame Ashley as he's the one who put it all in place. Ok good plan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest black n white Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 nzogbia on five live now...didnt get on with kinnear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 nzogbia on five live now...didnt get on with kinnear Who knew! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 nzogbia on five live now...didnt get on with kinnear Who knew! News to Kinnear, presumably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Mongo Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 so you're demanding we should have brought more (decent, you said) players in but you cant name anybody you would go for with £10 million? even on a harmless, not actually real, internet forum? or has reality just smacked you between the eyes? Reality is our first team is now worse than it was in December. Of the £10M Kinnear allegedly was handed for transfers, the club have spunked a whopping fuck all, not counting profit from the sales of our best player and a whinging French cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunedin Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Regrettably I am in the camp that believes we will be relegated now. It isn't because we didn't sign more players in this window (although that certainly has not helped) but because we have a seriously incompetent manager who has no idea how to get the best out of the players we currently do have. If he remains in charge we will go down. If he is replaced then we might have a chance. i know the usual cry will go up as to who would come to Newcastle, but if MA throws enough cash and incentives to keep us up to a good manager then he could be persuaded to come and do a rescue job. After all there is basically nothing for him to lose as if we still go down it would not be his fault given the squad etc but if he kept us up he would get all the plaudits going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Libertine Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Sorry am i a scout suddenly put in place to determine all the possible players the world over that we could have bought. Give up with your useless arguments. You are quite clearly severely deluded about our position and think we're in absolutely no trouble whatsoever regardless of the fact that our whole side is becoming cripples & our curent manager shows no tactical awareness whatsoever whilst all the other sides around us bar portsmouth and middlesborough are getting better results. Guess what, if current form of each side continues in a similar manner, we'll be the 3rd side in the drop zone. I dont believe our form will improve with Everton, Man utd, arsenal & chelsea coming up. You clearly do, good luck with that. The end so you're demanding we should have brought more (decent, you said) players in but you cant name anybody you would go for with £10 million? even on a harmless, not actually real, internet forum? or has reality just smacked you between the eyes? Mate if you think i have the same player knowledge as our scouting system then that once again is just a massive failure for Ashley isnt it, the guy you're endlessly backing. How about Skjelbred, the guy keegan supposedly turned down the last window. A young playermaker with lots of potential who was also a newcastle fan. Jay simpson, the lad west brom got on loan. I am not going to waste 10 minuted looking around all the players we've been linked with just because you're to slow to consider that the argument you're making is an absolute joke. you're the one who demanded "decent" players be brought in yet you can only think of a player we've already turned down and a player already on loan at WBA. im sure if a thread was made asking who each poster would buy within a £10 million budget you'd be surprised by the lack of "decent" realistic players available for such a small price to allow us to buy 2 or 3 of them. if you want to give it another go then go ahead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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