AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I'm not feeling good about this. But I stand with what I said previously, 30M and reinvest them all back into the team and we have a deal. That would be absolutely insane. There's no price I would sell Carroll for right now - our main guarantee against relegation, local lad and future England star, unplayable on his day, etc etc. There's no profit to be had in selling Carroll at this point, and I still think he's not going anywhere. It's just the usual transfer window speculation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Really hope its a no and don't ask again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I'm not feeling good about this. But I stand with what I said previously, 30M and reinvest them all back into the team and we have a deal. That would be absolutely insane. There's no price I would sell Carroll for right now - our main guarantee against relegation, local lad and future England star, unplayable on his day, etc etc. There's no profit to be had in selling Carroll at this point, and I still think he's not going anywhere. It's just the usual transfer window speculation. Yeah, it's all 'very much speculation'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I'm not feeling good about this. But I stand with what I said previously, 30M and reinvest them all back into the team and we have a deal. That would be absolutely insane. There's no price I would sell Carroll for right now - our main guarantee against relegation, local lad and future England star, unplayable on his day, etc etc. There's no profit to be had in selling Carroll at this point, and I still think he's not going anywhere. It's just the usual transfer window speculation. Well ya we would be relegated if we didn't replace him, that's why I said I agree only if the 30M will be reinvested to strengthen the team all over. Carrol has massive potential but he is far from the finish product. It is the Geordie hero part that is making us overestimate his ability. We can get a better non English striker for 20M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I'm not feeling good about this. But I stand with what I said previously, 30M and reinvest them all back into the team and we have a deal. That would be absolutely insane. There's no price I would sell Carroll for right now - our main guarantee against relegation, local lad and future England star, unplayable on his day, etc etc. There's no profit to be had in selling Carroll at this point, and I still think he's not going anywhere. It's just the usual transfer window speculation. Agreed. Providing he wants to stay we've got him on a long term contract, so as long as he keeps progressing he should only become more valuable in the next few years, and hopefully the club can progress along with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I would be far more upset about us selling Andy Carroll than our other players as I can accept that other players would not have the emotional attachment to the club and would be using it as a stepping stone in their career. However, this is a local lad who loves the club and to whom the number 9 means something and who has another 15 years ahead of him. Why can't we enjoy him for a couple of years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I'm not feeling good about this. But I stand with what I said previously, 30M and reinvest them all back into the team and we have a deal. That would be absolutely insane. There's no price I would sell Carroll for right now - our main guarantee against relegation, local lad and future England star, unplayable on his day, etc etc. There's no profit to be had in selling Carroll at this point, and I still think he's not going anywhere. It's just the usual transfer window speculation. Well ya we would be relegated if we didn't replace him, that's why I said I agree only if the 30M will be reinvested to strengthen the team all over. Carrol has massive potential but he is far from the finish product. It is the Geordie hero part that is making us overestimate his ability. We can get a better non English striker for 20M. Disagree, I've heard many impartial commentators talk about him as a future star, people with nothing to do with NUFC and who usually spend their time criticising us. Yes, we could stay up if we bought £30m pounds-worth of average players, but to achieve anything approaching success or progress we need to retain players like Carroll. Actually, there are no players like Carroll, so we need to keep him specifically! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Spurs and everyone else can pretty much fuck off, I really don't think Carroll would even move, and if we did we would need another striker who could score at least 20 goals a season, and has proven it in the Premiership. That would be hard to find for £30m, and considering the wages it would take to bring whoever it was here in anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Let's not forget, a few years ago Spurs were well behind us. It's all very well talking about Carroll joining a more successful club, but if we keep making signings like Ben Arfa, Tiote, Enrique and Colo we will be back on their level in a few years. It's at least a possibility, and a strong motivating factor to keep our best players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest axel Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Why would Carroll wanna play for Spurs? The only other club i can see him playing for must be Real Madrid or something like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Selling Carroll would be a statement of no intent. That for the players we are looking to sign, and have given long term contracts to would be devastating. For the future of this club, we cannot sell Carroll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I'm not feeling good about this. But I stand with what I said previously, 30M and reinvest them all back into the team and we have a deal. That would be absolutely insane. There's no price I would sell Carroll for right now - our main guarantee against relegation, local lad and future England star, unplayable on his day, etc etc. There's no profit to be had in selling Carroll at this point, and I still think he's not going anywhere. It's just the usual transfer window speculation. Well ya we would be relegated if we didn't replace him, that's why I said I agree only if the 30M will be reinvested to strengthen the team all over. Carrol has massive potential but he is far from the finish product. It is the Geordie hero part that is making us overestimate his ability. We can get a better non English striker for 20M. Disagree, I've heard many impartial commentators talk about him as a future star, people with nothing to do with NUFC and who usually spend their time criticising us. Yes, we could stay up if we bought £30m pounds-worth of average players, but to achieve anything approaching success or progress we need to retain players like Carroll. Actually, there are no players like Carroll, so we need to keep him specifically! 30M pounds of average players? How much do you think players like VDV cost Spurs? Even Dzeko the most sought striker in Europe only cost 27M and that is by City's inflated standard. No players like Carroll? What do you mean? He is the best striker in the world? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Has he been sold ? Must have been judging by some reactions on here - was it Spurs or Man City or did Chelsea steal the deal at the last minute ? BTW seriously - anyone know who AC's agent is ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I'm not feeling good about this. But I stand with what I said previously, 30M and reinvest them all back into the team and we have a deal. That would be absolutely insane. There's no price I would sell Carroll for right now - our main guarantee against relegation, local lad and future England star, unplayable on his day, etc etc. There's no profit to be had in selling Carroll at this point, and I still think he's not going anywhere. It's just the usual transfer window speculation. Well ya we would be relegated if we didn't replace him, that's why I said I agree only if the 30M will be reinvested to strengthen the team all over. Carrol has massive potential but he is far from the finish product. It is the Geordie hero part that is making us overestimate his ability. We can get a better non English striker for 20M. Disagree, I've heard many impartial commentators talk about him as a future star, people with nothing to do with NUFC and who usually spend their time criticising us. Yes, we could stay up if we bought £30m pounds-worth of average players, but to achieve anything approaching success or progress we need to retain players like Carroll. Actually, there are no players like Carroll, so we need to keep him specifically! 30M pounds of average players? How much do you think players like VDV cost Spurs? Even Dzeko the most sought striker in Europe only cost 27M and that is by City's inflated standard. No players like Carroll? What do you mean? He is the best striker in the world? Which striker do you realistically think we can replace him with who a) is on the same level as him and b) would want to join us in our current predicament for c) wages that fit our operating model? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 That Diatta or Diarra or whatever at Cluj? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Five o Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 That Diatta or Diarra or whatever at Cluj? Traore ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Which striker do you realistically think we can replace him with who a) is on the same level as him and b) would want to join us in our current predicament for c) wages that fit our operating model? Probably not to the standard as Carroll, but on the day we've just signed a France international with the ability to be a world beater for about £4m, this comment surprises me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Which striker do you realistically think we can replace him with who a) is on the same level as him and b) would want to join us in our current predicament for c) wages that fit our operating model? Probably not to the standard as Carroll, but on the day we've just signed a France international with the ability to be a world beater for about £4m, this comment surprises me. Are you more surprised by my comment than by the fact that Ben Arfa has joined us, because I know I still can't quite believe the latter. Why would a player of his ability be hell bent on joining us of all clubs? I am very happy he was, but I don't think it will be a very common occurrence, do you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 For every Ben Arfa bargain there's a James Milner overpriced player. There's much more chance of Andy Carroll becoming great and helping us to success than there is of us investing £30m to bring in new players to do it, IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Which striker do you realistically think we can replace him with who a) is on the same level as him and b) would want to join us in our current predicament for c) wages that fit our operating model? Probably not to the standard as Carroll, but on the day we've just signed a France international with the ability to be a world beater for about £4m, this comment surprises me. Are you more surprised by my comment than by the fact that Ben Arfa has joined us, because I know I still can't quite believe the latter. Why would a player of his ability be hell bent on joining us of all clubs? I am very happy he was, but I don't think it will be a very common occurrence, do you? Tiote £3.5m? Our last two signings, potential top class players, for £7.5m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I just don't want to sell Carroll, I prefer him to be playing for us than £30m of unknown players. We have a top striker that we paid no money for, we benefit from every minute he plays for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Obviously we'd sooner keep Carroll would take a lot of money and a gamble to replace him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Which striker do you realistically think we can replace him with who a) is on the same level as him and b) would want to join us in our current predicament for c) wages that fit our operating model? Probably not to the standard as Carroll, but on the day we've just signed a France international with the ability to be a world beater for about £4m, this comment surprises me. Are you more surprised by my comment than by the fact that Ben Arfa has joined us, because I know I still can't quite believe the latter. Why would a player of his ability be hell bent on joining us of all clubs? I am very happy he was, but I don't think it will be a very common occurrence, do you? Tiote £3.5m? Our last two signings, potential top class players, for £7.5m. I wouldn't say Tiote came with the same pedigree as did Ben Arfa. Most of you didn't even know him ffs.. If your point is about taking gambles on up and coming players rather than has beens I fully agree (see my opinion on Bentley), but I don't see what that has to do with keeping Carroll? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 You don't move forward by selling your best players. Yes if it's a Thierry Henry situation where you look at their age, injuries, form and so on and decide they are on the way downhill. Or Ronaldinho at Barca where you decide the player's heart isnt in it any more and may not rediscover his form. But not a 21 year old hometown player who wants to stay and has his career ahead of him. We let our talented players go in the 80s and it didn't do us any good. Look at Everton since Rooney left as an example, they have done alright but it didn't move them forward. Yes that money could be reinvested but unless Man City come in with crazy money then we'd be mad to sell him. Not just for what we'd lose on the field but in terms of the message it would send out to everyone - current players, prospective players, fans, the lot. Let's not do a West Ham and become a feeder club for the big clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Because if someone comes in with a bid of £30m for a player, no matter who he is, that's a serious offer that would be accepted by most chairmen and for most players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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