merlin Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 merlin...where does andy cole fit into that ? I know all about Cole - he was sold purely and simply because KK thought it was good money and he wanted Les Ferdinand ...and most of all, Alan Shearer, both of whom arrived. Are you going to put Carroll's transfer in the dame category as this ? Esp as KK forced Fergie to part with Gillespie in the deal, a young player very highly regarded at OT ? There is no comparison with the 2 deals ; NUFC were going to progress after the sale of Cole - do you think the dame sort of investment will be made by Ashley and Co, even in summer, and will they bust the wage structure to get replacements ? Yes or No ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lebowski Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 David Craig, "Pardew has been open and honest since he arrived here" Pardew only days ago, "Andy Carroll is not for sale" Yes very f***ing honest! You're a mong, sorry but that post is thick as f*** Sorry pal you are the mong, this is exactly why pardew was bought in and a decent football man given the arse. Pardew was bought in as a yes man to Ashley's regime. To think any different is frankly naive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 this is fucking depressing isn't it? still at least he never went to spurs was thinking about clubs faced with crossroads and how they behave, when faced with ours a couple of seasons ago ashley sold given & milner and we went down with a whimper liverpool have had a fucking shocker this season and have just been faced with something of a crossroads, they've come out of it losing a great (yet unmotivated striker) and replacing him with 2 strikers who should lead their line for the next decade and score a fucking hatful together says it all to me really Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lebowski Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 merlin...where does andy cole fit into that ? I know all about Cole - he was sold purely and simply because KK thought it was good money and he wanted Les Ferdinand ...and most of all, Alan Shearer, both of whom arrived. Are you going to put Carroll's transfer in the dame category as this ? Esp as KK forced Fergie to part with Gillespie in the deal, a young player very highly regarded at OT ? There is no comparison with the 2 deals ; NUFC were going to progress after the sale of Cole - do you think the dame sort of investment will be made by Ashley and Co, even in summer, and will they bust the wage structure to get replacements ? Yes or No ? The other thing about Cole was that it was rumoured that KK discovered he had a bit of a problem with a white substance and didn't want him in the dressing room any longer. I agree with you, if this club had any pretension at ambition Andy Carroll was the perfect player to keep as a focal point for the team. But obviously while Ashley is in control we are going to be Bolton in disquise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Merlin, that's a really interesting post. Can I ask then, why do you still support NUFC and do you get any enjoyment out of it? Can I ask you, IanW, whether you are really interested in my feelings about NUFC, or are you just trying to hide behind some vision of gang loyalty by questioning my motives for the post ? Either way, I am quite prepared to answer your question and I don't give a toss what anyone else thinks about it either... If you have been reading my comments over the past 3 years, you will know that I take a different view of NUFC than most younger fans. You will know that I gave a large amount of time - my own FREE time - in being one of a group that actually DID something about bringing much-needed change to the club. We succeeded to a point - the club had its most successful league showing since the 1950s after SJH and KK took over, but it DIDN'T win a trophy. Since SJH resigned as Chairman, the club has, apart from the spell when SBR was in charge, gone backwards. It is now owned by a person whose motives are unclear - perhaps even to himself. Prior to the Hall takeover, many of us refused to buy STs in order to give another push into forcing the old board out - AND, crucially, to demonstrate our disapproval of how the club was being run. If I was still in the UK, I would have probably stopped buying STs after the KK walkout fiasco, which proved to me that Ashley was an unfit Chairman. I WOULD have picked individual games because I still wanted the club to try to pick itself off the floor, but I would certainly NOT be buying an ST now after the club have proved their intent - or lack of it. What were the first words Pardew uttered about the staff when he walked into SJP less than 2 months ago ? They were, if you need reminding, 'Andy Carroll is NOT for sale, we want to build the team round him'. Where does all this leave the manager's credibility ? Where does it leave the club ? Who are the losers ? Not Carroll, or NUFC(Ashley), not Liverpool, but the FANS - once again. If you have to approve the club's actions to be classed as a 'fan', then as far as I'm concerned, forget it. Its easier for me as I am thousands of miles away and the biggest problem I have is standing aloof from the laughter which ensues when one admits to having been an NUFC fan ! If NUFC get relegated, it won't alter my life - it will for thousands over there, but I WILL be saddened that the club has, once again, become totally second-rate when it could - and should - have been totally different. If my views offend any on here - tough. If you feel that strongly about what I think, then say so, and I'll leave the site to those who wish to live in an unreal version of the Football world.....just as thousands of older fans have done in past years - look at the fall in the ST waiting list if you don't believe me. I hope the club is on the point of being sold - otherwise, I cannot see how they are going to build a decent team - and keep it - over the next few years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Fwiw, I think he really was just interested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Can't direct my anger at anyone other than Carroll over this tbh. 35m for a player who has had 6 months of good top flight football and has had numerous run ins with the law and is known for generally being a bit of a loose cannon is a very difficult deal to turn down. That said, my guess is that Ashley was willing to do that if Carroll wanted to stay. He put the decision in Carroll's hands, and Carroll told us all to fuck off and followed the money. Hope the cunt turns out to be the next Michael Ricketts, mercenary wanker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 That said, my guess is that Ashley was willing to do that if Carroll wanted to stay. He put the decision in Carroll's hands, and Carroll told us all to fuck off and followed the money. Hope the cunt turns out to be the next Michael Ricketts, mercenary wanker. what do you base any of that on dude? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SpinTheBlackCircle Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Pardew certainly seemed confident in the radio interview that there would be quite a bit of dealing in the summer. Obviously you don't have to believe him, but I'll at least be hopeful we'll make a couple of decent signings. We might not get the full £35m for players, but a good slice of it would be nice. Dream on. This club is a joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jubby Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Carroll says he was forced out the club according to the daily star. Supposedly, Carroll had been sending txts to a close friend saying they wanted the money for him n was gutted he had to leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 That said, my guess is that Ashley was willing to do that if Carroll wanted to stay. He put the decision in Carroll's hands, and Carroll told us all to fuck off and followed the money. Hope the cunt turns out to be the next Michael Ricketts, mercenary wanker. what do you base any of that on dude? Don't really see why Carroll would put in a transfer request otherwise. If that turns out to be a lie and he never requested a transfer then I'll change my view obviously, but I doubt even Ashley and Llmabias are stupid enough to lie about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 That said, my guess is that Ashley was willing to do that if Carroll wanted to stay. He put the decision in Carroll's hands, and Carroll told us all to fuck off and followed the money. Hope the cunt turns out to be the next Michael Ricketts, mercenary wanker. what do you base any of that on dude? Don't really see why Carroll would put in a transfer request otherwise. If that turns out to be a lie and he never requested a transfer then I'll change my view obviously, but I doubt even Ashley and Llmabias are stupid enough to lie about that. more than meets the eye to this imo, with the limited info available to me right now and all of the history of ashley & llamblias at the club it beggars belief that anyone would think Carroll forced this unilaterally while Mike & Derek sat there knocking back 35m and saying "naw Aaaaandy dawn't doooo it, daaawn't go, we're ganna bild da clab arawd ya san" they're behind it somehow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Can't direct my anger at anyone other than Carroll over this tbh. 35m for a player who has had 6 months of good top flight football and has had numerous run ins with the law and is known for generally being a bit of a loose cannon is a very difficult deal to turn down. That said, my guess is that Ashley was willing to do that if Carroll wanted to stay. He put the decision in Carroll's hands, and Carroll told us all to f*** off and followed the money. Hope the c*** turns out to be the next Michael Ricketts, mercenary w*****. I don't understand why you have to be angry at anyone. Ashley did what you would expect any club owner to do. Carroll did what you would expect any footballer to do. If anything, my anger lies with Torres/Liverpool/Chelsea for distorting the situation to a ridiculous degree. Even then, I can't be angry with the success of others. Mostly, just disappointed with the situation and how quickly this chapter of NUFC's history has unfolded. As always, I am looking forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 If we'd offered him improved wages he'd likely have stayed. Theres a big difference in 20/30k a week and 80k. One club is obviously valuing you far more than the other. I doubt Ashley made any attempt to negotiate with Carroll to keep him, i think he should have. Man Utd kept Rooney in similar circumstances just recently. It would have shown ambition. If Tottenham were offered 35m for VDV at the end of the window instead im not sure theyd accept, maybe they would. Some players are just better than your clubs current position, Carroll was that for us imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 We'll be a better team in 18 months if we don't sell any of our good players. Mark my words. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 We'll be a better team in 18 months if we don't sell any of our good players. Mark my words. you mean if the 35m is invested, right? big if Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 it beggars belief that anyone would think Carroll forced this unilaterally while Mike & Derek sat there knocking back 35m and saying "naw Aaaaandy dawn't doooo it, daaawn't go, we're ganna bild da clab arawd ya san" Youd be suprised how many were sold on that going off of yesterday. Many are convinced that we were batting away bids endlessly & the whole not coming out with a statement like "we're not selling carroll today regardless" was a coincidence. David craig even said bollocks like "Mike Ashley is trying very hard to resist", what does that even mean realistically? It means offer more and hes yours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 it beggars belief that anyone would think Carroll forced this unilaterally while Mike & Derek sat there knocking back 35m and saying "naw Aaaaandy dawn't doooo it, daaawn't go, we're ganna bild da clab arawd ya san" Youd be suprised how many were sold on that going off of yesterday. Many are convinced that we were batting away bids endlessly & the whole not coming out with a statement like "we're not selling carroll today regardless" was a coincidence. David craig even said bollocks like "Mike Ashley is trying very hard to resist", what does that even mean realistically? It means offer more and hes yours. yeah i was reading some of the shite last night, fucking pitiful some of it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 That said, my guess is that Ashley was willing to do that if Carroll wanted to stay. He put the decision in Carroll's hands, and Carroll told us all to fuck off and followed the money. Hope the cunt turns out to be the next Michael Ricketts, mercenary wanker. what do you base any of that on dude? Don't really see why Carroll would put in a transfer request otherwise. If that turns out to be a lie and he never requested a transfer then I'll change my view obviously, but I doubt even Ashley and Llmabias are stupid enough to lie about that. more than meets the eye to this imo, with the limited info available to me right now and all of the history of ashley & llamblias at the club it beggars belief that anyone would think Carroll forced this unilaterally while Mike & Derek sat there knocking back 35m and saying "naw Aaaaandy dawn't doooo it, daaawn't go, we're ganna bild da clab arawd ya san" they're behind it somehow They knocked back 30m apparently. But no matter how much you may want to keep a player there comes a point where you really have to look at the offer on the table and wonder whether rejecting it really is the smart thing to do. 35m for a player who has six good months of football to his name as a professional? That's a crazy amount. I really couldn't blame them for accepting it tbh. But the fact that Carroll had to actually formally submit a request before they'd accept the offer implies to me that they were willing to turn it away if the player really wanted to stay. Carroll would have to know that submitting a transfer request would make him the villain of the piece in the eyes of some fans, but he went ahead and did it anyway. What other motivation could there be for him to put in the request? He wanted out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Can't direct my anger at anyone other than Carroll over this tbh. 35m for a player who has had 6 months of good top flight football and has had numerous run ins with the law and is known for generally being a bit of a loose cannon is a very difficult deal to turn down. That said, my guess is that Ashley was willing to do that if Carroll wanted to stay. He put the decision in Carroll's hands, and Carroll told us all to f*** off and followed the money. Hope the c*** turns out to be the next Michael Ricketts, mercenary w*****. I don't understand why you have to be angry at anyone. Ashley did what you would expect any club owner to do. Carroll did what you would expect any footballer to do. If anything, my anger lies with Torres/Liverpool/Chelsea for distorting the situation to a ridiculous degree. Even then, I can't be angry with the success of others. Mostly, just disappointed with the situation and how quickly this chapter of NUFC's history has unfolded. As always, I am looking forward. Aye, angry is probably not the right word. I was sad more than anything when it broke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 DL: Liverpool offered 30 million for you. If it goes up, we are going to sell you. AC: But this is my hometown club. I'm wearing the number 9, something I've dreamed about. DL:Andy, we are going to sell you whether you like it or not. AC: But this is my club. I came up through the youth system. I can't leave. Weekend comes to a close. DL: Andy, we suggest you leave. You have no future here. We can get maybe another 5-10 million out of them. Your England chances are going to improve. Think of your future. AC: I can't leave my hometown club. And for Liverpool. Who are they? A shite has been club on the w.. DL: They will treble your wages. AC: I would formally like to request a transfer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Fuck them all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Thing is i dont really blame Andy for wanting to leave if a club values him highly enough to offer him 80 grand a week & we turn around and say we arent budging on our valuation of what he should get. I know he just signed a contract so you can say he should see that out, but everything changes when a club values you at 30m. I doubt we'd have had to match that wage to get him to stay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 He wanted out. well, let's see what the next few days press conferences reveal shall we? he's already stated publicly he was "forced out" right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 He wanted out. well, let's see what the next few days press conferences reveal shall we? he's already stated publicly he was "forced out" right? any direct quotes or tabloid bullshit that people are using to justify their views? I would like to hear Carroll give an interview where he comes clean one way or the other. Pardew also owes a lengthy explanation not so much o why Carroll was sold but why he did not have a Plan B and lined up replacements, fucking pathetic management to be honest that we now have to rely on Ameobi and Best as our strikers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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