Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Bit tired of this Steve Wraith bloke, had little idea who he was before today. He's a marketing genius! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Even if Carroll was completely desperate to leave, I find it hilarious that folk are prepared to absolve Ashley of any blame whatsoever. I don't get what more could be done though? Carroll Tell him to fuck off and wait till the summer. What would that have achieved? Postponing the inevitable, as well as the transfer fee potentially decreasing? Meanwhile we've got a high-profile player unhappy at the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K9 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Anyone got a link to foreign forums thoughts about this deal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Even if Carroll was completely desperate to leave, I find it hilarious that folk are prepared to absolve Ashley of any blame whatsoever. I don't get what more could be done though? Carroll Tell him to f*** off and wait till the summer. What would that have achieved? Postponing the inevitable, as well as the transfer fee potentially decreasing? Meanwhile we've got a high-profile player unhappy at the club. And a PL standard striker in the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Even if Carroll was completely desperate to leave, I find it hilarious that folk are prepared to absolve Ashley of any blame whatsoever. I don't get what more could be done though? Carroll Tell him to f*** off and wait till the summer. What would that have achieved? Postponing the inevitable, as well as the transfer fee potentially decreasing? Meanwhile we've got a high-profile player unhappy at the club. So what? Give him a new contract when he earns it not when he demands it. Why would his value have gone down? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Even if Carroll was completely desperate to leave, I find it hilarious that folk are prepared to absolve Ashley of any blame whatsoever. I don't get what more could be done though? Carroll Tell him to f*** off and wait till the summer. What would that have achieved? Postponing the inevitable, as well as the transfer fee potentially decreasing? Meanwhile we've got a high-profile player unhappy at the club. And a PL standard striker in the squad. Who we've won games without. We're not going to get relegated so there would be literally no point waiting until the summer to sell him. His price tag would drop and we'd have an unhappy player on the books. The latter which would most likely chip away at the sublime team spirit we currently have. Assuming Carroll's the guilty party in all this, which i firmly believe to be true, it couldn't have been orchestrated any better from our end imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 We've just made relegation a slight possibility. We're taking a needless gamble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 a striker who can put the ball in the back of the net against opposition other than the mackems for one. Or is this the time where Ameobi becomes that 20 goal a season striker, instead of what we have become accustomed to: the 20 goal an epoch striker? We had a genuine chance of finishing top half with Carroll in the team. This squad may well surprise me (they already have), but now I would take 15th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I never believed the plan was to sell him in the summer, I just think we never expected such a massive bid and for Carroll to agitate for a move. Summer or now anyway, it makes very little difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Even if Carroll was completely desperate to leave, I find it hilarious that folk are prepared to absolve Ashley of any blame whatsoever. I don't get what more could be done though? Carroll Tell him to f*** off and wait till the summer. What would that have achieved? Postponing the inevitable, as well as the transfer fee potentially decreasing? Meanwhile we've got a high-profile player unhappy at the club. So what? Give him a new contract when he earns it not when he demands it. Why would his value have gone down? Liverpool were gonna offer him it then and there. There's no way he wasn't gonna end the month without the contract he wanted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Carroll doesn't exactly look thrilled to be at Lpool. They're just photographs but there's a point to what you're saying. I'm sure, in an ideal world for him, Carroll would still be at Newcastle with the £90k a week contract (or whatever) he's currently sat on at Liverpool. You mustn't have seen the video of him with King Kenny he couldn't raise a smile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Even if Carroll was completely desperate to leave, I find it hilarious that folk are prepared to absolve Ashley of any blame whatsoever. I don't get what more could be done though? Carroll Tell him to f*** off and wait till the summer. What would that have achieved? Postponing the inevitable, as well as the transfer fee potentially decreasing? Meanwhile we've got a high-profile player unhappy at the club. So what? Give him a new contract when he earns it not when he demands it. Why would his value have gone down? Liverpool were gonna offer him it then and there. There's no way he wasn't gonna end the month without the contract he wanted. Eh? He can't go until we accept a bid. We don't give him another contract and we don't accept the bid. Carroll stays. Simple. Or we state that Carroll can only go yesterday if or when we find an appropriate replacement. If we don't get one, Carroll stays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Thump 1892 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Carroll doesn't exactly look thrilled to be at Lpool. They're just photographs but there's a point to what you're saying. I'm sure, in an ideal world for him, Carroll would still be at Newcastle with the £90k a week contract (or whatever) he's currently sat on at Liverpool. You mustn't have seen the video of him with King Kenny he couldn't raise a smile. Got a link to that mate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Thump 1892 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Even if Carroll was completely desperate to leave, I find it hilarious that folk are prepared to absolve Ashley of any blame whatsoever. I don't get what more could be done though? Carroll Tell him to f*** off and wait till the summer. What would that have achieved? Postponing the inevitable, as well as the transfer fee potentially decreasing? Meanwhile we've got a high-profile player unhappy at the club. So what? Give him a new contract when he earns it not when he demands it. Why would his value have gone down? Liverpool were gonna offer him it then and there. There's no way he wasn't gonna end the month without the contract he wanted. Eh? He can't go until we accept a bid. We don't give him another contract and we don't accept the bid. Carroll stays. Simple. Or we state that Carroll can only go yesterday if or when we find an appropriate replacement. If we don't get one, Carroll stays. To be fair, this is spot on. Why we sold him without a decent replacement/second man is beyond me. Liverpool did it right, they had the £35 in hand because the only thing stopping it was the Torres deal. What we probably should have done is tried to hijack that with a part ex/ or tried to get one of their youngsters - it's better than nowt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I never believed the plan was to sell him in the summer, I just think we never expected such a massive bid and for Carroll to agitate for a move. Summer or now anyway, it makes very little difference. Are you taking the piss? We've got 15 games left to play, man. 15 games with 4 strikers who just aren't up to it at this level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I never believed the plan was to sell him in the summer, I just think we never expected such a massive bid and for Carroll to agitate for a move. Summer or now anyway, it makes very little difference. Are you taking the piss? We've got 15 games left to play, man. 15 games with 4 strikers who just aren't up to it at this level. Well you know, Carroll would have been injured for another 5 or 6 of those anyway. It might make the difference between one or two places in the league, I'll give you that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I never believed the plan was to sell him in the summer, I just think we never expected such a massive bid and for Carroll to agitate for a move. Summer or now anyway, it makes very little difference. Are you taking the piss? We've got 15 games left to play, man. 15 games with 4 strikers who just aren't up to it at this level. We're unbeaten without him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 We'd not have got £35m in summer, imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Even if Carroll was completely desperate to leave, I find it hilarious that folk are prepared to absolve Ashley of any blame whatsoever. I don't get what more could be done though? Carroll Tell him to f*** off and wait till the summer. What would that have achieved? Postponing the inevitable, as well as the transfer fee potentially decreasing? Meanwhile we've got a high-profile player unhappy at the club. So what? Give him a new contract when he earns it not when he demands it. Why would his value have gone down? Liverpool were gonna offer him it then and there. There's no way he wasn't gonna end the month without the contract he wanted. Eh? He can't go until we accept a bid. We don't give him another contract and we don't accept the bid. Carroll stays. Simple. Or we state that Carroll can only go yesterday if or when we find an appropriate replacement. If we don't get one, Carroll stays. And we're stuck with a player who doesn't want to be here, who's injured anyway, who's value will depreciate with every passing week. Instead we take the £35m, stay up (which we will, absolutely no problem), and plan for the summer. We'd not have got £35m in summer, imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Look, man, most would agree that 35 million is fantastic for a largely unproven striker who is still developing. That is not the point. He was scoring goals for us. And in the time he has been sidelined, yes we did better than expected. But apart from West Ham, we've scored 1 goal a game since he was out, and lost 4 valuable points at the death. Granted, we had a lot of 1 goal games anyway, but his abilities on offense and defense would surely have helped us in those games. The point is that there appeared to be absolutely no plan in place to replace him at all, let alone with quality. An at the death bid for a MIDFIELDER who left under a cloud to a club whose owner would love nothing more than to impale Ashley's babies? Come on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I never believed the plan was to sell him in the summer, I just think we never expected such a massive bid and for Carroll to agitate for a move. Summer or now anyway, it makes very little difference. Are you taking the piss? We've got 15 games left to play, man. 15 games with 4 strikers who just aren't up to it at this level. We're unbeaten without him. Take away his goals this season. A bigger picture might just form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Thump 1892 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Look, man, most would agree that 35 million is fantastic for a largely unproven striker who is still developing. That is not the point. He was scoring goals for us. And in the time he has been sidelined, yes we did better than expected. But apart from West Ham, we've scored 1 goal a game since he was out, and lost 4 valuable points at the death. Granted, we had a lot of 1 goal games anyway, but his abilities on offense and defense would surely have helped us in those games. The point is that there appeared to be absolutely no plan in place to replace him at all, let alone with quality. An at the death bid for a MIDFIELDER who left under a cloud to a club whose owner would love nothing more than to impale Ashley's babies? Come on. Well said mate. Wasn't it Hughton who said "unbeaten runs mean nothing, you're still not winning"? (Paraphrasing, of course) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I never believed the plan was to sell him in the summer, I just think we never expected such a massive bid and for Carroll to agitate for a move. Summer or now anyway, it makes very little difference. Are you taking the piss? We've got 15 games left to play, man. 15 games with 4 strikers who just aren't up to it at this level. We're unbeaten without him. Take away his goals this season. A bigger picture might just form. Without his goals we'd be 16th with a game in hand on several clubs above us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 We don't lose his goals. His goals are still there and they've already fired us into a relatively safe place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Thinking about it, this might disrupt our group of lads more than first thought if they feel the club forced out their mate, no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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