Is Ashley actually in a position to save us?

[Tooj]

It really is impossible to tell unless we have a detailed breakdown of where all of his finances are.

[Guest The Libertine]

he hasnt got enough to keep the majority of newcastle fans happy. the man city billionaire would be on the first stages of a backlash from us by now.

[Tooj]

he hasnt got enough to keep the majority of newcastle fans happy. the man city billionaire would be on the first stages of a backlash from us by now.

 

What rubbish man.

[SUPERTOON]

Should come out and communicate with the fans then, no point saying he is going to back JFK before January only for it to be all lies. He needs to talk to us, but that isnt going to happen.

[Guest The Libertine]

he hasnt got enough to keep the majority of newcastle fans happy. the man city billionaire would be on the first stages of a backlash from us by now.

 

What rubbish man.

 

tongue in cheek. saying that, enough people on here wouldnt want kaka so it probably wouldnt be a problem.

[Joe_F]

he hasnt got enough to keep the majority of newcastle fans happy. the man city billionaire would be on the first stages of a backlash from us by now.

 

What a load of bollocks

[Tooj]

he hasnt got enough to keep the majority of newcastle fans happy. the man city billionaire would be on the first stages of a backlash from us by now.

 

What rubbish man.

 

tongue in cheek. saying that, enough people on here wouldnt want kaka so it probably wouldnt be a problem.

 

Have you read some of his posts man?

[Baggio]

How is 20mill going to save us anyway ? We have spent more than that in our 5yrs going backwards rapidly.

 

It'll buy 4 or 5 half decent players which could make the difference between finishing 3rd or 4th bottom.

 

Going down will make the last 5yrs look like a cakewalk.

 

So on top of the £40 million he's put in as working capital he puts in another £20 million in transfers and adds another £5 million (minimum ?) to the wage budget.

 

But then what? There's no saying that next year he won't have to put more money in to keep the club going and more on top of that again for transfers.

 

There's going to come a time where he thinks it isn't worth it to keep pumping his own money into the club to save it for another season.

[Joe_F]

How is 20mill going to save us anyway ? We have spent more than that in our 5yrs going backwards rapidly.

 

It'll buy 4 or 5 half decent players which could make the difference between finishing 3rd or 4th bottom.

 

Going down will make the last 5yrs look like a cakewalk.

 

So on top of the £40 million he's put in as working capital he puts in another £20 million in transfers and adds another £5 million (minimum ?) to the wage budget.

 

But then what? There's no saying that next year he won't have to put more money in to keep the club going and more on top of that again for transfers.

 

There's going to come a time where he thinks it isn't worth it to keep pumping his own money into the club to save it for another season.

 

The alternative is relegation and wiping £150mill off his asset. Which makes more sense?

[johnnypd]

you have to put it into context - because of mismanagement he's backed himself into a corner where it is simply a question of damage limitation. he may lose £20m or so on transfers but the figure he'd lose if we went down would be fucking astronomical.

 

some of the options open - not spend anything or very little as usual and chance it, increasing our chances of relegation, or spend a significant amount in the hope it improves our chances of staying up. the best option wouldve been lining up someone like bruce, give him £20m in jan and more in summer, providing he shifts wasters like duff, owen, smith, barton, viduka, geremi etc. of course he's left that too late, and anyway is stupid enough to think JFK is good enough for a long contract.

[Baggio]

How is 20mill going to save us anyway ? We have spent more than that in our 5yrs going backwards rapidly.

 

It'll buy 4 or 5 half decent players which could make the difference between finishing 3rd or 4th bottom.

 

Going down will make the last 5yrs look like a cakewalk.

 

So on top of the £40 million he's put in as working capital he puts in another £20 million in transfers and adds another £5 million (minimum ?) to the wage budget.

 

But then what? There's no saying that next year he won't have to put more money in to keep the club going and more on top of that again for transfers.

 

There's going to come a time where he thinks it isn't worth it to keep pumping his own money into the club to save it for another season.

 

The alternative is relegation and wiping £150mill off his asset. Which makes more sense?

 

From Ashley's point of view the difference being whatever he loses off the value of the club can always go back up if we get promoted, where as whatever money he puts in will just be lost.

[Skirge]

No one is wanting £100mill but £30mill should be okay that and what we get off Zoggy and Given, however deals for them must be done today or tomorrow otherwise they stay!

[Joe_F]

How is 20mill going to save us anyway ? We have spent more than that in our 5yrs going backwards rapidly.

 

It'll buy 4 or 5 half decent players which could make the difference between finishing 3rd or 4th bottom.

 

Going down will make the last 5yrs look like a cakewalk.

 

So on top of the £40 million he's put in as working capital he puts in another £20 million in transfers and adds another £5 million (minimum ?) to the wage budget.

 

But then what? There's no saying that next year he won't have to put more money in to keep the club going and more on top of that again for transfers.

 

There's going to come a time where he thinks it isn't worth it to keep pumping his own money into the club to save it for another season.

 

The alternative is relegation and wiping £150mill off his asset. Which makes more sense?

 

From Ashley's point of view the difference being whatever he loses off the value of the club can always go back up if we get promoted, where as whatever money he puts in will just be lost.

 

Aye that's probably what Leeds thought.

[cp40]

only briefly saw him on at the match, last night,.. he looked, bemused.

[PRL]

How is 20mill going to save us anyway ? We have spent more than that in our 5yrs going backwards rapidly.

 

It'll buy 4 or 5 half decent players which could make the difference between finishing 3rd or 4th bottom.

 

Going down will make the last 5yrs look like a cakewalk.

 

So on top of the £40 million he's put in as working capital he puts in another £20 million in transfers and adds another £5 million (minimum ?) to the wage budget.

 

But then what? There's no saying that next year he won't have to put more money in to keep the club going and more on top of that again for transfers.

 

There's going to come a time where he thinks it isn't worth it to keep pumping his own money into the club to save it for another season.

 

The alternative is relegation and wiping £150mill off his asset. Which makes more sense?

 

From Ashley's point of view the difference being whatever he loses off the value of the club can always go back up if we get promoted, where as whatever money he puts in will just be lost.

 

That's a far bigger gamble than spending £25m now and hoping to sell at a reasonable price in the summer... In that context, the two options:

 

a) don't invest, very large likelihood of relegation, something in region of £100m knocked off the value of your investment, massive drops in revenue and still stuck with a number of large earners on the wage bill that would probably have to be given away. One year of parachute payments followed by massive loss making operation. He must have had some projected figures put him front of him and they would not have been pretty

 

b) £20-25m in now and hope to stay up and sell us at a slight loss in the summer. Get out with burnt hands and some losses but recoup a decent amount.

 

Even if he has to wait 18 months and invest £50-£60m in that time it is far better business acumen.

 

[Baggio]

How is 20mill going to save us anyway ? We have spent more than that in our 5yrs going backwards rapidly.

 

It'll buy 4 or 5 half decent players which could make the difference between finishing 3rd or 4th bottom.

 

Going down will make the last 5yrs look like a cakewalk.

 

So on top of the £40 million he's put in as working capital he puts in another £20 million in transfers and adds another £5 million (minimum ?) to the wage budget.

 

But then what? There's no saying that next year he won't have to put more money in to keep the club going and more on top of that again for transfers.

 

There's going to come a time where he thinks it isn't worth it to keep pumping his own money into the club to save it for another season.

 

The alternative is relegation and wiping £150mill off his asset. Which makes more sense?

 

From Ashley's point of view the difference being whatever he loses off the value of the club can always go back up if we get promoted, where as whatever money he puts in will just be lost.

 

Aye that's probably what Leeds thought.

 

Of course there's a risk that the club won't come straight back up but for Leeds there are clubs like Sunderland who come back straight away.

[Baggio]

How is 20mill going to save us anyway ? We have spent more than that in our 5yrs going backwards rapidly.

 

It'll buy 4 or 5 half decent players which could make the difference between finishing 3rd or 4th bottom.

 

Going down will make the last 5yrs look like a cakewalk.

 

So on top of the £40 million he's put in as working capital he puts in another £20 million in transfers and adds another £5 million (minimum ?) to the wage budget.

 

But then what? There's no saying that next year he won't have to put more money in to keep the club going and more on top of that again for transfers.

 

There's going to come a time where he thinks it isn't worth it to keep pumping his own money into the club to save it for another season.

 

The alternative is relegation and wiping £150mill off his asset. Which makes more sense?

 

From Ashley's point of view the difference being whatever he loses off the value of the club can always go back up if we get promoted, where as whatever money he puts in will just be lost.

 

That's a far bigger gamble than spending £25m now and hoping to sell at a reasonable price in the summer... In that context, the two options:

 

a) don't invest, very large likelihood of relegation, something in region of £100m knocked off the value of your investment, massive drops in revenue and still stuck with a number of large earners on the wage bill that would probably have to be given away. One year of parachute payments followed by massive loss making operation. He must have had some projected figures put him front of him and they would not have been pretty

 

b) £20-25m in now and hope to stay up and sell us at a slight loss in the summer. Get out with burnt hands and some losses but recoup a decent amount.

 

Even if he has to wait 18 months and invest £50-£60m in that time it is far better business acumen.

 

 

But would the big earners stay if we were in the Championship?

 

I don't think the majority of them would, Alan Smith jumped ship as soon as Leeds went down so you wouldn't think he would stay here if the same was to happen to us, at the moment he's go no interest in leaving.

[PRL]

How is 20mill going to save us anyway ? We have spent more than that in our 5yrs going backwards rapidly.

 

It'll buy 4 or 5 half decent players which could make the difference between finishing 3rd or 4th bottom.

 

Going down will make the last 5yrs look like a cakewalk.

 

So on top of the £40 million he's put in as working capital he puts in another £20 million in transfers and adds another £5 million (minimum ?) to the wage budget.

 

But then what? There's no saying that next year he won't have to put more money in to keep the club going and more on top of that again for transfers.

 

There's going to come a time where he thinks it isn't worth it to keep pumping his own money into the club to save it for another season.

 

The alternative is relegation and wiping £150mill off his asset. Which makes more sense?

 

From Ashley's point of view the difference being whatever he loses off the value of the club can always go back up if we get promoted, where as whatever money he puts in will just be lost.

 

Aye that's probably what Leeds thought.

 

Of course there's a risk that the club won't come straight back up but for Leeds there are clubs like Sunderland who come back straight away.

 

We are A LOT more comparable to Leeds than Sunderland, our wage bill and overheads in comparison to the relegated Sunderland teams would be massive. There is no reasonable economic argument for relegation, sorry like, i can see the point you're trying to make, but you are wrong and if Ashley is thinking like that it only confirms what a lot of people think - he's in over his neck and he's going to sink, dragging all of us down with him.

[PRL]

How is 20mill going to save us anyway ? We have spent more than that in our 5yrs going backwards rapidly.

 

It'll buy 4 or 5 half decent players which could make the difference between finishing 3rd or 4th bottom.

 

Going down will make the last 5yrs look like a cakewalk.

 

So on top of the £40 million he's put in as working capital he puts in another £20 million in transfers and adds another £5 million (minimum ?) to the wage budget.

 

But then what? There's no saying that next year he won't have to put more money in to keep the club going and more on top of that again for transfers.

 

There's going to come a time where he thinks it isn't worth it to keep pumping his own money into the club to save it for another season.

 

The alternative is relegation and wiping £150mill off his asset. Which makes more sense?

 

From Ashley's point of view the difference being whatever he loses off the value of the club can always go back up if we get promoted, where as whatever money he puts in will just be lost.

 

That's a far bigger gamble than spending £25m now and hoping to sell at a reasonable price in the summer... In that context, the two options:

 

a) don't invest, very large likelihood of relegation, something in region of £100m knocked off the value of your investment, massive drops in revenue and still stuck with a number of large earners on the wage bill that would probably have to be given away. One year of parachute payments followed by massive loss making operation. He must have had some projected figures put him front of him and they would not have been pretty

 

b) £20-25m in now and hope to stay up and sell us at a slight loss in the summer. Get out with burnt hands and some losses but recoup a decent amount.

 

Even if he has to wait 18 months and invest £50-£60m in that time it is far better business acumen.

 

 

But would the big earners stay if we were in the Championship?

 

I don't think the majority of them would, Alan Smith jumped ship as soon as Leeds went down so you wouldn't think he would stay here if the same was to happen to us, at the moment he's go no interest in leaving.

 

Who would pay them what we are? No one. Even if they were to leave, players like Smith and Ameobi actually have a cash value now, we would need to let them leave for free if we were relegated in an attempt to clear them off the wage bill.

[Guest neesy111]

this club need's the biggest shake up it's ever had

 

all the players minus 4-5 of them need to be got rid off even if we receive very little for them

 

the club is rotten to the core from the boardroom down to the fitness staff they are all rubbish and don't deserve to be at this club for various reason's

 

unfortunately none of our previous managers and chairman have seen had bad the whole club is

 

ashley needs to throw 20-25 million at the problem and then in the summer have the biggest clearout in the club's history  

[Baggio]

How is 20mill going to save us anyway ? We have spent more than that in our 5yrs going backwards rapidly.

 

It'll buy 4 or 5 half decent players which could make the difference between finishing 3rd or 4th bottom.

 

Going down will make the last 5yrs look like a cakewalk.

 

So on top of the £40 million he's put in as working capital he puts in another £20 million in transfers and adds another £5 million (minimum ?) to the wage budget.

 

But then what? There's no saying that next year he won't have to put more money in to keep the club going and more on top of that again for transfers.

 

There's going to come a time where he thinks it isn't worth it to keep pumping his own money into the club to save it for another season.

 

The alternative is relegation and wiping £150mill off his asset. Which makes more sense?

 

From Ashley's point of view the difference being whatever he loses off the value of the club can always go back up if we get promoted, where as whatever money he puts in will just be lost.

 

That's a far bigger gamble than spending £25m now and hoping to sell at a reasonable price in the summer... In that context, the two options:

 

a) don't invest, very large likelihood of relegation, something in region of £100m knocked off the value of your investment, massive drops in revenue and still stuck with a number of large earners on the wage bill that would probably have to be given away. One year of parachute payments followed by massive loss making operation. He must have had some projected figures put him front of him and they would not have been pretty

 

b) £20-25m in now and hope to stay up and sell us at a slight loss in the summer. Get out with burnt hands and some losses but recoup a decent amount.

 

Even if he has to wait 18 months and invest £50-£60m in that time it is far better business acumen.

 

 

But would the big earners stay if we were in the Championship?

 

I don't think the majority of them would, Alan Smith jumped ship as soon as Leeds went down so you wouldn't think he would stay here if the same was to happen to us, at the moment he's go no interest in leaving.

 

Who would pay them what we are? No one. Even if they were to leave, players like Smith and Ameobi actually have a cash value now, we would need to let them leave for free if we were relegated in an attempt to clear them off the wage bill.

 

So nobody will buy the big earners so Ashley just keeps pumping more of his own money into the club as running costs and in transfers until their contracts run out?

 

That's never going to happen.

[Guest neesy111]

How is 20mill going to save us anyway ? We have spent more than that in our 5yrs going backwards rapidly.

 

It'll buy 4 or 5 half decent players which could make the difference between finishing 3rd or 4th bottom.

 

Going down will make the last 5yrs look like a cakewalk.

 

So on top of the £40 million he's put in as working capital he puts in another £20 million in transfers and adds another £5 million (minimum ?) to the wage budget.

 

But then what? There's no saying that next year he won't have to put more money in to keep the club going and more on top of that again for transfers.

 

There's going to come a time where he thinks it isn't worth it to keep pumping his own money into the club to save it for another season.

 

The alternative is relegation and wiping £150mill off his asset. Which makes more sense?

 

From Ashley's point of view the difference being whatever he loses off the value of the club can always go back up if we get promoted, where as whatever money he puts in will just be lost.

 

That's a far bigger gamble than spending £25m now and hoping to sell at a reasonable price in the summer... In that context, the two options:

 

a) don't invest, very large likelihood of relegation, something in region of £100m knocked off the value of your investment, massive drops in revenue and still stuck with a number of large earners on the wage bill that would probably have to be given away. One year of parachute payments followed by massive loss making operation. He must have had some projected figures put him front of him and they would not have been pretty

 

b) £20-25m in now and hope to stay up and sell us at a slight loss in the summer. Get out with burnt hands and some losses but recoup a decent amount.

 

Even if he has to wait 18 months and invest £50-£60m in that time it is far better business acumen.

 

 

But would the big earners stay if we were in the Championship?

 

I don't think the majority of them would, Alan Smith jumped ship as soon as Leeds went down so you wouldn't think he would stay here if the same was to happen to us, at the moment he's go no interest in leaving.

 

Who would pay them what we are? No one. Even if they were to leave, players like Smith and Ameobi actually have a cash value now, we would need to let them leave for free if we were relegated in an attempt to clear them off the wage bill.

 

So nobody will buy the big earners so Ashley just keeps pumping more of his own money into the club as running costs and in transfers until their contracts run out?

 

That's never going to happen.

 

any money ashley has put in should be straight towards transfer's not towards wage's and keeping the club running

[Baggio]

How is 20mill going to save us anyway ? We have spent more than that in our 5yrs going backwards rapidly.

 

It'll buy 4 or 5 half decent players which could make the difference between finishing 3rd or 4th bottom.

 

Going down will make the last 5yrs look like a cakewalk.

 

So on top of the £40 million he's put in as working capital he puts in another £20 million in transfers and adds another £5 million (minimum ?) to the wage budget.

 

But then what? There's no saying that next year he won't have to put more money in to keep the club going and more on top of that again for transfers.

 

There's going to come a time where he thinks it isn't worth it to keep pumping his own money into the club to save it for another season.

 

The alternative is relegation and wiping £150mill off his asset. Which makes more sense?

 

From Ashley's point of view the difference being whatever he loses off the value of the club can always go back up if we get promoted, where as whatever money he puts in will just be lost.

 

That's a far bigger gamble than spending £25m now and hoping to sell at a reasonable price in the summer... In that context, the two options:

 

a) don't invest, very large likelihood of relegation, something in region of £100m knocked off the value of your investment, massive drops in revenue and still stuck with a number of large earners on the wage bill that would probably have to be given away. One year of parachute payments followed by massive loss making operation. He must have had some projected figures put him front of him and they would not have been pretty

 

b) £20-25m in now and hope to stay up and sell us at a slight loss in the summer. Get out with burnt hands and some losses but recoup a decent amount.

 

Even if he has to wait 18 months and invest £50-£60m in that time it is far better business acumen.

 

 

But would the big earners stay if we were in the Championship?

 

I don't think the majority of them would, Alan Smith jumped ship as soon as Leeds went down so you wouldn't think he would stay here if the same was to happen to us, at the moment he's go no interest in leaving.

 

Who would pay them what we are? No one. Even if they were to leave, players like Smith and Ameobi actually have a cash value now, we would need to let them leave for free if we were relegated in an attempt to clear them off the wage bill.

 

So nobody will buy the big earners so Ashley just keeps pumping more of his own money into the club as running costs and in transfers until their contracts run out?

 

That's never going to happen.

 

any money ashley has put in should be straight towards transfer's not towards wage's and keeping the club running

 

What?!

[PRL]

How is 20mill going to save us anyway ? We have spent more than that in our 5yrs going backwards rapidly.

 

It'll buy 4 or 5 half decent players which could make the difference between finishing 3rd or 4th bottom.

 

Going down will make the last 5yrs look like a cakewalk.

 

So on top of the £40 million he's put in as working capital he puts in another £20 million in transfers and adds another £5 million (minimum ?) to the wage budget.

 

But then what? There's no saying that next year he won't have to put more money in to keep the club going and more on top of that again for transfers.

 

There's going to come a time where he thinks it isn't worth it to keep pumping his own money into the club to save it for another season.

 

The alternative is relegation and wiping £150mill off his asset. Which makes more sense?

 

From Ashley's point of view the difference being whatever he loses off the value of the club can always go back up if we get promoted, where as whatever money he puts in will just be lost.

 

That's a far bigger gamble than spending £25m now and hoping to sell at a reasonable price in the summer... In that context, the two options:

 

a) don't invest, very large likelihood of relegation, something in region of £100m knocked off the value of your investment, massive drops in revenue and still stuck with a number of large earners on the wage bill that would probably have to be given away. One year of parachute payments followed by massive loss making operation. He must have had some projected figures put him front of him and they would not have been pretty

 

b) £20-25m in now and hope to stay up and sell us at a slight loss in the summer. Get out with burnt hands and some losses but recoup a decent amount.

 

Even if he has to wait 18 months and invest £50-£60m in that time it is far better business acumen.

 

 

But would the big earners stay if we were in the Championship?

 

I don't think the majority of them would, Alan Smith jumped ship as soon as Leeds went down so you wouldn't think he would stay here if the same was to happen to us, at the moment he's go no interest in leaving.

 

Who would pay them what we are? No one. Even if they were to leave, players like Smith and Ameobi actually have a cash value now, we would need to let them leave for free if we were relegated in an attempt to clear them off the wage bill.

 

So nobody will buy the big earners so Ashley just keeps pumping more of his own money into the club as running costs and in transfers until their contracts run out?

 

That's never going to happen.

 

Not really sure what you mean... If we are in the Championship, we will be in an even worse position than we are now with Given / Man City, where they are pissing about over a few million quid despite spunking cash left, right and centre on everyone else, purely because they see we're in a weak position. Relegation would mean clubs with far less resources than Man City would do the same things with players like Smith / Ameobi and other high earners on long contracts (Barton, Martins, etc)... They would offer low / minimal cash amounts and refuse to budge much (maybe people like Martins would retain some value, but the others, i highly doubt) and we would be forced to accept these to clear our wage bill. If we stay up, we have a position of strength when asking for fees for high earners as we don't necessarily have to sell them, even if we want them off the wage bill long term.

[PRL]

How is 20mill going to save us anyway ? We have spent more than that in our 5yrs going backwards rapidly.

 

It'll buy 4 or 5 half decent players which could make the difference between finishing 3rd or 4th bottom.

 

Going down will make the last 5yrs look like a cakewalk.

 

So on top of the £40 million he's put in as working capital he puts in another £20 million in transfers and adds another £5 million (minimum ?) to the wage budget.

 

But then what? There's no saying that next year he won't have to put more money in to keep the club going and more on top of that again for transfers.

 

There's going to come a time where he thinks it isn't worth it to keep pumping his own money into the club to save it for another season.

 

The alternative is relegation and wiping £150mill off his asset. Which makes more sense?

 

From Ashley's point of view the difference being whatever he loses off the value of the club can always go back up if we get promoted, where as whatever money he puts in will just be lost.

 

That's a far bigger gamble than spending £25m now and hoping to sell at a reasonable price in the summer... In that context, the two options:

 

a) don't invest, very large likelihood of relegation, something in region of £100m knocked off the value of your investment, massive drops in revenue and still stuck with a number of large earners on the wage bill that would probably have to be given away. One year of parachute payments followed by massive loss making operation. He must have had some projected figures put him front of him and they would not have been pretty

 

b) £20-25m in now and hope to stay up and sell us at a slight loss in the summer. Get out with burnt hands and some losses but recoup a decent amount.

 

Even if he has to wait 18 months and invest £50-£60m in that time it is far better business acumen.

 

 

But would the big earners stay if we were in the Championship?

 

I don't think the majority of them would, Alan Smith jumped ship as soon as Leeds went down so you wouldn't think he would stay here if the same was to happen to us, at the moment he's go no interest in leaving.

 

Who would pay them what we are? No one. Even if they were to leave, players like Smith and Ameobi actually have a cash value now, we would need to let them leave for free if we were relegated in an attempt to clear them off the wage bill.

 

So nobody will buy the big earners so Ashley just keeps pumping more of his own money into the club as running costs and in transfers until their contracts run out?

 

That's never going to happen.

 

any money ashley has put in should be straight towards transfer's not towards wage's and keeping the club running

 

What?!

 

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