Is Ashley actually in a position to save us?

[Guest neesy111]

How is 20mill going to save us anyway ? We have spent more than that in our 5yrs going backwards rapidly.

 

It'll buy 4 or 5 half decent players which could make the difference between finishing 3rd or 4th bottom.

 

Going down will make the last 5yrs look like a cakewalk.

 

So on top of the £40 million he's put in as working capital he puts in another £20 million in transfers and adds another £5 million (minimum ?) to the wage budget.

 

But then what? There's no saying that next year he won't have to put more money in to keep the club going and more on top of that again for transfers.

 

There's going to come a time where he thinks it isn't worth it to keep pumping his own money into the club to save it for another season.

 

The alternative is relegation and wiping £150mill off his asset. Which makes more sense?

 

From Ashley's point of view the difference being whatever he loses off the value of the club can always go back up if we get promoted, where as whatever money he puts in will just be lost.

 

That's a far bigger gamble than spending £25m now and hoping to sell at a reasonable price in the summer... In that context, the two options:

 

a) don't invest, very large likelihood of relegation, something in region of £100m knocked off the value of your investment, massive drops in revenue and still stuck with a number of large earners on the wage bill that would probably have to be given away. One year of parachute payments followed by massive loss making operation. He must have had some projected figures put him front of him and they would not have been pretty

 

b) £20-25m in now and hope to stay up and sell us at a slight loss in the summer. Get out with burnt hands and some losses but recoup a decent amount.

 

Even if he has to wait 18 months and invest £50-£60m in that time it is far better business acumen.

 

 

But would the big earners stay if we were in the Championship?

 

I don't think the majority of them would, Alan Smith jumped ship as soon as Leeds went down so you wouldn't think he would stay here if the same was to happen to us, at the moment he's go no interest in leaving.

 

Who would pay them what we are? No one. Even if they were to leave, players like Smith and Ameobi actually have a cash value now, we would need to let them leave for free if we were relegated in an attempt to clear them off the wage bill.

 

So nobody will buy the big earners so Ashley just keeps pumping more of his own money into the club as running costs and in transfers until their contracts run out?

 

That's never going to happen.

 

any money ashley has put in should be straight towards transfer's not towards wage's and keeping the club running

 

What?!

 

the problem we have in any of ashley's own cash has been put in to just the club running

 

where it should of been toward's buying new player's

 

tell me at another club where a new owner has came in and is just funding to keep the club running, not many tbh

 

that is the problem we have until we get these player's off the wage bill

[Guest toonlass]

How is 20mill going to save us anyway ? We have spent more than that in our 5yrs going backwards rapidly.

 

It'll buy 4 or 5 half decent players which could make the difference between finishing 3rd or 4th bottom.

 

Going down will make the last 5yrs look like a cakewalk.

 

So on top of the £40 million he's put in as working capital he puts in another £20 million in transfers and adds another £5 million (minimum ?) to the wage budget.

 

But then what? There's no saying that next year he won't have to put more money in to keep the club going and more on top of that again for transfers.

 

There's going to come a time where he thinks it isn't worth it to keep pumping his own money into the club to save it for another season.

 

The alternative is relegation and wiping £150mill off his asset. Which makes more sense?

 

From Ashley's point of view the difference being whatever he loses off the value of the club can always go back up if we get promoted, where as whatever money he puts in will just be lost.

 

That's a far bigger gamble than spending £25m now and hoping to sell at a reasonable price in the summer... In that context, the two options:

 

a) don't invest, very large likelihood of relegation, something in region of £100m knocked off the value of your investment, massive drops in revenue and still stuck with a number of large earners on the wage bill that would probably have to be given away. One year of parachute payments followed by massive loss making operation. He must have had some projected figures put him front of him and they would not have been pretty

 

b) £20-25m in now and hope to stay up and sell us at a slight loss in the summer. Get out with burnt hands and some losses but recoup a decent amount.

 

Even if he has to wait 18 months and invest £50-£60m in that time it is far better business acumen.

 

 

But would the big earners stay if we were in the Championship?

 

I don't think the majority of them would, Alan Smith jumped ship as soon as Leeds went down so you wouldn't think he would stay here if the same was to happen to us, at the moment he's go no interest in leaving.

 

Who would pay them what we are? No one. Even if they were to leave, players like Smith and Ameobi actually have a cash value now, we would need to let them leave for free if we were relegated in an attempt to clear them off the wage bill.

 

So nobody will buy the big earners so Ashley just keeps pumping more of his own money into the club as running costs and in transfers until their contracts run out?

 

That's never going to happen.

 

any money ashley has put in should be straight towards transfer's not towards wage's and keeping the club running

 

What?!

 

the problem we have in any of ashley's own cash has been put in to just the club running

 

where it should of been toward's buying new player's

 

tell me at another club where a new owner has came in and is just funding to keep the club running, not many tbh

 

that is the problem we have until we get these player's off the wage bill

 

Where should the money to pay the current staff and run the club come from then in the mean time?

[Yorkie]

The time to 'save us' spans from a period from September 4th to February 2nd. Where he can/could have appointed a proper manager.

 

He could have saved our season without even necassarily having to provide transfer funds. Could have just given a decent manager a contract.

 

The boat's pretty much sailed now, like. Cos he's been a dick and put his faith in Kinnear, our arses are going to be squeezing until the middle of May.

[OzzieMandias]

No one is wanting £100mill but £30mill should be okay that and what we get off Zoggy and Given, however deals for them must be done today or tomorrow otherwise they stay!

 

That's still $30 million on top of £40 million he's put in just to keep the club going on top of £70 million to pay off debts racked up by Shepherd and co. on top of the £1.1 billion hit he's taken in the banking meltdown. These are huge sums.

[Parky]

The time to 'save us' spans from a period from September 4th to February 2nd. Where he can/could have appointed a proper manager.

 

He could have saved our season without even necassarily having to provide transfer funds. Could have just given a decent manager a contract.

 

The boat's pretty much sailed now, like. Cos he's been a dick and put his faith in Kinnear, our arses are going to be squeezing until the middle of May.

 

Yes.

[Guest Alan Shearer 9]

The time to 'save us' spans from a period from September 4th to February 2nd. Where he can/could have appointed a proper manager.

 

He could have saved our season without even necassarily having to provide transfer funds. Could have just given a decent manager a contract.

 

The boat's pretty much sailed now, like. Cos he's been a dick and put his faith in Kinnear, our arses are going to be squeezing until the middle of May.

[Parky]

No one is wanting £100mill but £30mill should be okay that and what we get off Zoggy and Given, however deals for them must be done today or tomorrow otherwise they stay!

 

That's still $30 million on top of £40 million he's put in just to keep the club going on top of £70 million to pay off debts racked up by Shepherd and co. on top of the £1.1 billion hit he's taken in the banking meltdown. These are huge sums.

 

Serves him right.

[Parky]

Ideally NUFC will bankrupt Ashley and we'll get bought cheap by a mega- owner. Sorry thinking up nonsense like this keeps me going.

[Baggio]

The time to 'save us' spans from a period from September 4th to February 2nd. Where he can/could have appointed a proper manager.

 

He could have saved our season without even necassarily having to provide transfer funds. Could have just given a decent manager a contract.

 

The boat's pretty much sailed now, like. Cos he's been a dick and put his faith in Kinnear, our arses are going to be squeezing until the middle of May.

 

Perhaps if fans hadn't decided to protest and make the managers job unappealing then he would have appointed someone better, a few people did try and point this out at the time.

 

West Ham were in a similar position to us with the manager leaving for similar reasons, yet they seem to be doing so much better than we are and the only thing I can see that's different is their fans let the club get on with appointing a new manager and got behind him.

[Guest Alan Shearer 9]

The time to 'save us' spans from a period from September 4th to February 2nd. Where he can/could have appointed a proper manager.

 

He could have saved our season without even necassarily having to provide transfer funds. Could have just given a decent manager a contract.

 

The boat's pretty much sailed now, like. Cos he's been a dick and put his faith in Kinnear, our arses are going to be squeezing until the middle of May.

 

Perhaps if fans hadn't decided to protest and make the managers job unappealing then he would have appointed someone better, a few people did try and point this out at the time.

 

West Ham were in a similar position to us with the manager leaving for similar reasons, yet they seem to be doing so much better than we are and the only thing I can see that's different is their fans let the club get on with appointing a new manager and got behind him.

 

The club should appoint a good manager regardless, it's their fucking job. Now we's ganna go down because of their incompetance. FUCK ALL to do with the fans, who rate amongst the best

[Yorkie]

The time to 'save us' spans from a period from September 4th to February 2nd. Where he can/could have appointed a proper manager.

 

He could have saved our season without even necassarily having to provide transfer funds. Could have just given a decent manager a contract.

 

The boat's pretty much sailed now, like. Cos he's been a dick and put his faith in Kinnear, our arses are going to be squeezing until the middle of May.

 

Perhaps if fans hadn't decided to protest and make the managers job unappealing then he would have appointed someone better, a few people did try and point this out at the time.

 

I don't disagree at all mate - i thought the incidents at home to Hull were a total joke. That fucking banner.

 

Aye... Ashley had the balls of a female chiwhuahua, but if people had accept what had happened, Ashley might still be sat in his director's box and we might be here with a decent manager, a few bob to spend, in the top half - a position that this team warrants imo.

[NG32]

The time to 'save us' spans from a period from September 4th to February 2nd. Where he can/could have appointed a proper manager.

 

He could have saved our season without even necassarily having to provide transfer funds. Could have just given a decent manager a contract.

 

The boat's pretty much sailed now, like. Cos he's been a dick and put his faith in Kinnear, our arses are going to be squeezing until the middle of May.

 

Perhaps if fans hadn't decided to protest and make the managers job unappealing then he would have appointed someone better, a few people did try and point this out at the time.

 

West Ham were in a similar position to us with the manager leaving for similar reasons, yet they seem to be doing so much better than we are and the only thing I can see that's different is their fans let the club get on with appointing a new manager and got behind him.

 

Equally, he could have still went on and appointed  decent manager and win the fans back?

 

I think he knew the shit was hitting the fan finalcially an used the fans backlash as an excuse to sell up.  Now the fat cunt is stuck with NUFC and us with him.

 

 

[Guest toonlass]

The time to 'save us' spans from a period from September 4th to February 2nd. Where he can/could have appointed a proper manager.

 

He could have saved our season without even necassarily having to provide transfer funds. Could have just given a decent manager a contract.

 

The boat's pretty much sailed now, like. Cos he's been a dick and put his faith in Kinnear, our arses are going to be squeezing until the middle of May.

 

Perhaps if fans hadn't decided to protest and make the managers job unappealing then he would have appointed someone better, a few people did try and point this out at the time.

 

West Ham were in a similar position to us with the manager leaving for similar reasons, yet they seem to be doing so much better than we are and the only thing I can see that's different is their fans let the club get on with appointing a new manager and got behind him.

 

TBF though, the majority of those who made tits of themselves outside St James' are not fans, they are mongs who thought they would be on the telly. The fans are still going to the games, the fans are the ones who are still behind the team. They are not the ones who are hurting now because of the state we are in, they couldn't care less.

[Dave]

Perhaps if fans hadn't decided to protest and make the managers job unappealing then he would have appointed someone better, a few people did try and point this out at the time.

 

West Ham were in a similar position to us with the manager leaving for similar reasons, yet they seem to be doing so much better than we are and the only thing I can see that's different is their fans let the club get on with appointing a new manager and got behind him.

 

 

West Ham did something about it. Our lot just let the ill feelings stew, then threw the toys out of the pram when the going got tough. Ironic, eh?

[Guest Alan Shearer 9]

FUCK ALL TO DO WITH THE FANS MAN

[Dave]

FUCK ALL TO DO WITH THE FANS MAN

 

It's anyone's fault but the people who actually run the club, it seems.

[Guest Alan Shearer 9]

FUCK ALL TO DO WITH THE FANS MAN

 

It's anyone's fault but the people who actually run the club, it seems.

 

death to fatman

[OzzieMandias]

No one is wanting £100mill but £30mill should be okay that and what we get off Zoggy and Given, however deals for them must be done today or tomorrow otherwise they stay!

 

That's still $30 million on top of £40 million he's put in just to keep the club going on top of £70 million to pay off debts racked up by Shepherd and co. on top of the £1.1 billion hit he's taken in the banking meltdown. These are huge sums.

 

Serves him right.

 

Yeah, let's keep this realistic.

[NG32]

f*** ALL TO DO WITH THE FANS MAN

 

It's anyone's fault but the people who actually run the club, it seems.

 

Yup, always the fans fault.

[Dave]

FUCK ALL TO DO WITH THE FANS MAN

 

It's anyone's fault but the people who actually run the club, it seems.

 

death to fatman

 

What's thumbhead got to do with this?

[Baggio]

The time to 'save us' spans from a period from September 4th to February 2nd. Where he can/could have appointed a proper manager.

 

He could have saved our season without even necassarily having to provide transfer funds. Could have just given a decent manager a contract.

 

The boat's pretty much sailed now, like. Cos he's been a dick and put his faith in Kinnear, our arses are going to be squeezing until the middle of May.

 

Perhaps if fans hadn't decided to protest and make the managers job unappealing then he would have appointed someone better, a few people did try and point this out at the time.

 

West Ham were in a similar position to us with the manager leaving for similar reasons, yet they seem to be doing so much better than we are and the only thing I can see that's different is their fans let the club get on with appointing a new manager and got behind him.

 

Equally, he could have still went on and appointed  decent manager and win the fans back?

 

I think he knew the shit was hitting the fan finalcially an used the fans backlash as an excuse to sell up.  Now the fat cunt is stuck with NUFC and us with him.

 

 

 

He knew from his own experience of buying the club that you don't want to walk into a club where a new manager you may not want has been handed a long term deal.

 

A far as he was concerned the club would be sold and Kinnear would do a job for 8 weeks until it went through.

 

I'm not sure how anyone can argue that if the fans didn't protest and Ashley putting the club up for sale that we would have got a better manager than Kinnear in through the door, as I've said that's the only difference between us this season and West Ham.

[PRL]

Again, the West Ham situation is a shit comparison, most of their fans wanted Curbishley out or were, at very best, ambivalent to his tenure... I don't recall there being anyone on here being anything but happy with Keegan being in charge, so totally different situation, but don't let that stop you, it's almost like you're on the Ashley staff, Baggio.

 

The thing that made the manager's position at St James' untenable had nothing to do with a fucking banner and 10 year olds stood outside the ground, it was seeing the most popular and successful manager the club has had in recent times being forced to resign when it became clear he didn't have control of transfers and had been lied to when recruited. Even then, people like Fatih Terim and Van Gaal would still, seemingly, have been achievable targets who would have fitted in around the system, but did Ashley go for them? No, he went to some fucking football graveyard and dug up  , achieving what seemed impossible, in adding an even bigger fucking moron than the rest of them to our management / executive team. Try and blame the fans / players / media all you like, the buck stops at the door of Ashley and Ashley alone. He has fucked up royally, doesn't have the balls to fix it and i hope he ends up penniless because of it - the only good thing to come of this would be finding Ashley selling pirate dvds on a market stall in Tottenham - back where he fucking belongs.

[OzzieMandias]

f*** ALL TO DO WITH THE FANS MAN

 

It's anyone's fault but the people who actually run the club, it seems.

 

Yup, always the fans fault.

 

The fans are indeed one of the many actors in our ongoing downfall.

[NG32]

The time to 'save us' spans from a period from September 4th to February 2nd. Where he can/could have appointed a proper manager.

 

He could have saved our season without even necassarily having to provide transfer funds. Could have just given a decent manager a contract.

 

The boat's pretty much sailed now, like. Cos he's been a dick and put his faith in Kinnear, our arses are going to be squeezing until the middle of May.

 

Perhaps if fans hadn't decided to protest and make the managers job unappealing then he would have appointed someone better, a few people did try and point this out at the time.

 

West Ham were in a similar position to us with the manager leaving for similar reasons, yet they seem to be doing so much better than we are and the only thing I can see that's different is their fans let the club get on with appointing a new manager and got behind him.

 

Equally, he could have still went on and appointed  decent manager and win the fans back?

 

I think he knew the s*** was hitting the fan finalcially an used the fans backlash as an excuse to sell up.  Now the fat c*** is stuck with NUFC and us with him.

 

 

 

He knew from his own experience of buying the club that you don't want to walk into a club where a new manager you may not want has been handed a long term deal.

 

A far as he was concerned the club would be sold and Kinnear would do a job for 8 weeks until it went through.

 

I'm not sure how anyone can argue that if the fans didn't protest and Ashley putting the club up for sale that we would have got a better manager than Kinnear in through the door, as I've said that's the only difference between us this season and West Ham.

 

Huh

 

Joe Kinnear was not instantly installed as manager when fat man also chucked his toys out of the pram.

 

He had a preiod to win the fans or some fans back over with a decent sensible appointment.

 

It didn't happen, I'll telly you why again.  He realised he could not afford to run NUFC as the credit crunch f***ed him in the ass. First chance he had to get rid of NUFC he tried his best and failed.

 

 

We now  have clem head managing the club and we dont have any wedge to spend unless we flog first.

 

 

 

[quayside]

The time to 'save us' spans from a period from September 4th to February 2nd. Where he can/could have appointed a proper manager.

 

He could have saved our season without even necassarily having to provide transfer funds. Could have just given a decent manager a contract.

 

The boat's pretty much sailed now, like. Cos he's been a dick and put his faith in Kinnear, our arses are going to be squeezing until the middle of May.

 

Perhaps if fans hadn't decided to protest and make the managers job unappealing then he would have appointed someone better, a few people did try and point this out at the time.

 

West Ham were in a similar position to us with the manager leaving for similar reasons, yet they seem to be doing so much better than we are and the only thing I can see that's different is their fans let the club get on with appointing a new manager and got behind him.

 

There is another difference. A lot of West Ham fans didn't think much of Curbishley and were happy to see the back of him. I don't think any section of their fanbase thought he was some sort of Messiah.