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thanks for confirming you really want the good old days of being a "solvent" 2nd division club back.

 

 

 

Where did I confirm that?

 

In reality I want to win every trophy every season but that will not happen so I want the best possible, not that were even getting that at the minute and I'll not try to say that we are.

 

where did I confirm I don't know the answer to your question. I have answered it, unlike you when I have proved you clueless and incorrect on many occasions in the past.

 

You are advocating selling our best players. You can't fool everybody, we know you're an Ashley man on the basis that you can't bring yourself to admit you didn't appreciate the european qualifications etc of the last 15 years, instead whining on about beign "embarrassed". Must be killing you now to realise that the successor to the fat bastard wasn't the automatic improvement you thought it would be.

 

Like toonlass, someone with your experience should have known better. Assuming you are telling us the truth.....

 

As I said to you last week, whining on about the 52000 stadium and the debts etc, if your man Ashley had came in 10-11 years ago, we might not have had the debts because they wouldn't have needed to expand the stadium in the first place.

 

I realise this will be lost on people.

 

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thanks for confirming you really want the good old days of being a "solvent" 2nd division club back.

 

 

 

Where did I confirm that?

 

In reality I want to win every trophy every season but that will not happen so I want the best possible, not that were even getting that at the minute and I'll not try to say that we are.

 

where did I confirm I don't know the answer to your question. I have answered it, unlike you when I have proved you clueless and incorrect on many occasions in the past.

 

You are advocating selling our best players. You can't fool everybody, we know you're an Ashley man on the basis that you can't bring yourself to admit you didn't appreciate the european qualifications etc of the last 15 years, instead whining on about beign "embarrassed". Must be killing you now to realise that the successor to the fat bastard wasn't the automatic improvement you thought it would be.

 

Like toonlass, someone with your experience should have known better. Assuming you are telling us the truth.....

 

As I said to you last week, whining on about the 52000 stadium and the debts etc, if your man Ashley had came in 10-11 years ago, we might not have had the debts because they wouldn't have needed to expand the stadium in the first place.

 

I realise this will be lost on people.

 

 

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Comedy genius tbh.

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where did I confirm I don't know the answer to your question. I have answered it, unlike you when I have proved you clueless and incorrect on many occasions in the past.

 

You are advocating selling our best players. You can't fool everybody, we know you're an Ashley man on the basis that you can't bring yourself to admit you didn't appreciate the european qualifications etc of the last 15 years, instead whining on about beign "embarrassed". Must be killing you now to realise that the successor to the fat b****** wasn't the automatic improvement you thought it would be.

 

Like toonlass, someone with your experience should have known better. Assuming you are telling us the truth.....

 

As I said to you last week, whining on about the 52000 stadium and the debts etc, if your man Ashley had came in 10-11 years ago, we might not have had the debts because they wouldn't have needed to expand the stadium in the first place.

 

I realise this will be lost on people.

 

 

I took it for granted that not seeing your answer was proof that you couldn't answer the question.  Give me a link to the answer so that I can see it.

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other than being the only solvent club in the championship, like your good old days ?

 

 

 

Thanks for confirming that you just haven't got a clue again, I'll leave it now.

 

thanks for confirming you really want the good old days of being a "solvent" 2nd division club back.

 

 

 

Show, infact quote anyone who has said they want us to be solvent and in the 2nd division NE5, I think you will find you can't.

 

selling your best players will lead to relegation. And putting solvency and profits before success, will lead to absolute mediocrity. The likes of which lots of people haven't experienced even though they thought they had, but you have haven't you ?

 

 

 

 

 

Yes I have thanks very much. What are you trying to prove NE5? That you are a SOOPERFAN and no-one else could possibly know what it was like before Sir John Hall came to the club. If you think I want to be back in that situation then you are very much mistaken, but solvency (or the lack of it) is important, and your ignoring that will not change anything.

 

the solvency that you crave will come in hand with real mediocrity, eventual relegation, 25000 crowds and no way back.

 

 

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thanks for confirming you really want the good old days of being a "solvent" 2nd division club back.

 

 

 

Where did I confirm that?

 

In reality I want to win every trophy every season but that will not happen so I want the best possible, not that were even getting that at the minute and I'll not try to say that we are.

 

where did I confirm I don't know the answer to your question. I have answered it, unlike you when I have proved you clueless and incorrect on many occasions in the past.

 

You are advocating selling our best players. You can't fool everybody, we know you're an Ashley man on the basis that you can't bring yourself to admit you didn't appreciate the european qualifications etc of the last 15 years, instead whining on about beign "embarrassed". Must be killing you now to realise that the successor to the fat bastard wasn't the automatic improvement you thought it would be.

 

Like toonlass, someone with your experience should have known better. Assuming you are telling us the truth.....

 

As I said to you last week, whining on about the 52000 stadium and the debts etc, if your man Ashley had came in 10-11 years ago, we might not have had the debts because they wouldn't have needed to expand the stadium in the first place.

 

I realise this will be lost on people.

 

 

And of course you, NE5, who cannot even answer a simple quesion asked directly, are telling the absolute truth.....how do we know?

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other than being the only solvent club in the championship, like your good old days ?

 

 

 

Thanks for confirming that you just haven't got a clue again, I'll leave it now.

 

thanks for confirming you really want the good old days of being a "solvent" 2nd division club back.

 

 

 

Show, infact quote anyone who has said they want us to be solvent and in the 2nd division NE5, I think you will find you can't.

 

selling your best players will lead to relegation. And putting solvency and profits before success, will lead to absolute mediocrity. The likes of which lots of people haven't experienced even though they thought they had, but you have haven't you ?

 

 

 

 

 

Yes I have thanks very much. What are you trying to prove NE5? That you are a SOOPERFAN and no-one else could possibly know what it was like before Sir John Hall came to the club. If you think I want to be back in that situation then you are very much mistaken, but solvency (or the lack of it) is important, and your ignoring that will not change anything.

 

the solvency that you crave will come in hand with real mediocrity, eventual relegation, 25000 crowds and no way back.

 

 

 

And the scintilating football under Roeder, Souness and Allardyce was amazing. Get a grip man.

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where did I confirm I don't know the answer to your question. I have answered it, unlike you when I have proved you clueless and incorrect on many occasions in the past.

 

You are advocating selling our best players. You can't fool everybody, we know you're an Ashley man on the basis that you can't bring yourself to admit you didn't appreciate the european qualifications etc of the last 15 years, instead whining on about beign "embarrassed". Must be killing you now to realise that the successor to the fat b****** wasn't the automatic improvement you thought it would be.

 

Like toonlass, someone with your experience should have known better. Assuming you are telling us the truth.....

 

As I said to you last week, whining on about the 52000 stadium and the debts etc, if your man Ashley had came in 10-11 years ago, we might not have had the debts because they wouldn't have needed to expand the stadium in the first place.

 

I realise this will be lost on people.

 

 

I took it for granted that not seeing your answer was proof that you couldn't answer the question.  Give me a link to the answer so that I can see it.

 

I've gave you lots of links myself in the past. Not many replies.

 

If the real picture is too difficult for you, and you don't understand real mediocrity, then its about to hit you I'm afraid. Enjoy the return to your good old days, when we were fighting for promotion glory. Maybe.

 

 

 

 

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I've gave you lots of links myself in the past. Not many replies.

 

If the real picture is too difficult for you, and you don't understand real mediocrity, then its about to hit you I'm afraid. Enjoy the return to your good old days, when we were fighting for promotion glory. Maybe.

 

 

 

 

 

OK, so you haven't answered it.

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maybe because of the way NUSC came into being it will take time for it "mature" a bit.

 

an independent fans movement that carries some weight could well be a good thing but not on the idea of "get rid of the owner with no plan for what happens after that" type platform.

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other than being the only solvent club in the championship, like your good old days ?

 

 

 

Thanks for confirming that you just haven't got a clue again, I'll leave it now.

 

thanks for confirming you really want the good old days of being a "solvent" 2nd division club back.

 

 

 

Show, infact quote anyone who has said they want us to be solvent and in the 2nd division NE5, I think you will find you can't.

 

selling your best players will lead to relegation. And putting solvency and profits before success, will lead to absolute mediocrity. The likes of which lots of people haven't experienced even though they thought they had, but you have haven't you ?

 

 

 

 

 

Yes I have thanks very much. What are you trying to prove NE5? That you are a SOOPERFAN and no-one else could possibly know what it was like before Sir John Hall came to the club. If you think I want to be back in that situation then you are very much mistaken, but solvency (or the lack of it) is important, and your ignoring that will not change anything.

 

the solvency that you crave will come in hand with real mediocrity, eventual relegation, 25000 crowds and no way back.

 

 

 

And the scintilating football under Roeder, Souness and Allardyce was amazing. Get a grip man.

 

I meant the days of Robson, Keegan, and the Cup Finals under Dalglish and Gullit.

 

The mediocrity I'm talking about is the days under Ardiles, McGarry, the first few years of Cox, and Smith. Remember them ? Would you like me to tell you who they were ?

 

 

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NUSC = poor misguided fools.

 

Excuse me, can't you see that people are trying to have a conversation about the old board in this thread? Show some consideration please and stop trying to derail the thread.

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other than being the only solvent club in the championship, like your good old days ?

 

 

 

Thanks for confirming that you just haven't got a clue again, I'll leave it now.

 

thanks for confirming you really want the good old days of being a "solvent" 2nd division club back.

 

 

 

Show, infact quote anyone who has said they want us to be solvent and in the 2nd division NE5, I think you will find you can't.

 

selling your best players will lead to relegation. And putting solvency and profits before success, will lead to absolute mediocrity. The likes of which lots of people haven't experienced even though they thought they had, but you have haven't you ?

 

 

 

 

 

Yes I have thanks very much. What are you trying to prove NE5? That you are a SOOPERFAN and no-one else could possibly know what it was like before Sir John Hall came to the club. If you think I want to be back in that situation then you are very much mistaken, but solvency (or the lack of it) is important, and your ignoring that will not change anything.

 

the solvency that you crave will come in hand with real mediocrity, eventual relegation, 25000 crowds and no way back.

 

 

 

And the scintilating football under Roeder, Souness and Allardyce was amazing. Get a grip man.

 

I meant the days of Robson, Keegan, and the Cup Finals under Dalglish and Gullit.

 

The mediocrity I'm talking about is the days under Ardiles, McGarry, the first few years of Cox, and Smith. Remember them ? Would you like me to tell you who they were ?

 

 

 

Why? Has your senile dementia kicked in?

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I've gave you lots of links myself in the past. Not many replies.

 

If the real picture is too difficult for you, and you don't understand real mediocrity, then its about to hit you I'm afraid. Enjoy the return to your good old days, when we were fighting for promotion glory. Maybe.

 

 

 

 

 

OK, so you haven't answered it.

 

How do you think we will get back to where we were under the Halls and Shepherd then ?

 

 

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other than being the only solvent club in the championship, like your good old days ?

 

 

 

Thanks for confirming that you just haven't got a clue again, I'll leave it now.

 

thanks for confirming you really want the good old days of being a "solvent" 2nd division club back.

 

 

 

Show, infact quote anyone who has said they want us to be solvent and in the 2nd division NE5, I think you will find you can't.

 

selling your best players will lead to relegation. And putting solvency and profits before success, will lead to absolute mediocrity. The likes of which lots of people haven't experienced even though they thought they had, but you have haven't you ?

 

 

 

 

 

Yes I have thanks very much. What are you trying to prove NE5? That you are a SOOPERFAN and no-one else could possibly know what it was like before Sir John Hall came to the club. If you think I want to be back in that situation then you are very much mistaken, but solvency (or the lack of it) is important, and your ignoring that will not change anything.

 

the solvency that you crave will come in hand with real mediocrity, eventual relegation, 25000 crowds and no way back.

 

 

 

And the scintilating football under Roeder, Souness and Allardyce was amazing. Get a grip man.

 

I meant the days of Robson, Keegan, and the Cup Finals under Dalglish and Gullit.

 

The mediocrity I'm talking about is the days under Ardiles, McGarry, the first few years of Cox, and Smith. Remember them ? Would you like me to tell you who they were ?

 

 

 

Those days were replaced by the contributions of the 3 managers toonlass suggested.

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other than being the only solvent club in the championship, like your good old days ?

 

 

 

Thanks for confirming that you just haven't got a clue again, I'll leave it now.

 

thanks for confirming you really want the good old days of being a "solvent" 2nd division club back.

 

 

 

Show, infact quote anyone who has said they want us to be solvent and in the 2nd division NE5, I think you will find you can't.

 

selling your best players will lead to relegation. And putting solvency and profits before success, will lead to absolute mediocrity. The likes of which lots of people haven't experienced even though they thought they had, but you have haven't you ?

 

 

 

 

 

Yes I have thanks very much. What are you trying to prove NE5? That you are a SOOPERFAN and no-one else could possibly know what it was like before Sir John Hall came to the club. If you think I want to be back in that situation then you are very much mistaken, but solvency (or the lack of it) is important, and your ignoring that will not change anything.

 

the solvency that you crave will come in hand with real mediocrity, eventual relegation, 25000 crowds and no way back.

 

 

 

And the scintilating football under Roeder, Souness and Allardyce was amazing. Get a grip man.

 

I meant the days of Robson, Keegan, and the Cup Finals under Dalglish and Gullit.

 

The mediocrity I'm talking about is the days under Ardiles, McGarry, the first few years of Cox, and Smith. Remember them ? Would you like me to tell you who they were ?

 

 

 

Why? Has your senile dementia kicked in?

 

nah, my question was do you want me to tell YOU  mackems.gif

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other than being the only solvent club in the championship, like your good old days ?

 

 

 

Thanks for confirming that you just haven't got a clue again, I'll leave it now.

 

thanks for confirming you really want the good old days of being a "solvent" 2nd division club back.

 

 

 

Show, infact quote anyone who has said they want us to be solvent and in the 2nd division NE5, I think you will find you can't.

 

selling your best players will lead to relegation. And putting solvency and profits before success, will lead to absolute mediocrity. The likes of which lots of people haven't experienced even though they thought they had, but you have haven't you ?

 

 

 

 

 

Yes I have thanks very much. What are you trying to prove NE5? That you are a SOOPERFAN and no-one else could possibly know what it was like before Sir John Hall came to the club. If you think I want to be back in that situation then you are very much mistaken, but solvency (or the lack of it) is important, and your ignoring that will not change anything.

 

the solvency that you crave will come in hand with real mediocrity, eventual relegation, 25000 crowds and no way back.

 

 

 

And the scintilating football under Roeder, Souness and Allardyce was amazing. Get a grip man.

 

I meant the days of Robson, Keegan, and the Cup Finals under Dalglish and Gullit.

 

The mediocrity I'm talking about is the days under Ardiles, McGarry, the first few years of Cox, and Smith. Remember them ? Would you like me to tell you who they were ?

 

 

 

Ahhh so the mediocrity of Souness, Allardyce and Roeder was not mediocre enough then, ok  :idiot2:

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other than being the only solvent club in the championship, like your good old days ?

 

 

 

Thanks for confirming that you just haven't got a clue again, I'll leave it now.

 

thanks for confirming you really want the good old days of being a "solvent" 2nd division club back.

 

 

 

Show, infact quote anyone who has said they want us to be solvent and in the 2nd division NE5, I think you will find you can't.

 

selling your best players will lead to relegation. And putting solvency and profits before success, will lead to absolute mediocrity. The likes of which lots of people haven't experienced even though they thought they had, but you have haven't you ?

 

 

 

 

 

Yes I have thanks very much. What are you trying to prove NE5? That you are a SOOPERFAN and no-one else could possibly know what it was like before Sir John Hall came to the club. If you think I want to be back in that situation then you are very much mistaken, but solvency (or the lack of it) is important, and your ignoring that will not change anything.

 

the solvency that you crave will come in hand with real mediocrity, eventual relegation, 25000 crowds and no way back.

 

 

 

And the scintilating football under Roeder, Souness and Allardyce was amazing. Get a grip man.

 

I meant the days of Robson, Keegan, and the Cup Finals under Dalglish and Gullit.

 

The mediocrity I'm talking about is the days under Ardiles, McGarry, the first few years of Cox, and Smith. Remember them ? Would you like me to tell you who they were ?

 

 

 

Why? Has your senile dementia kicked in?

 

nah, my question was do you want me to tell YOU  mackems.gif

 

Why would I need you to? I was there, remember

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other than being the only solvent club in the championship, like your good old days ?

 

 

 

Thanks for confirming that you just haven't got a clue again, I'll leave it now.

 

thanks for confirming you really want the good old days of being a "solvent" 2nd division club back.

 

 

 

Show, infact quote anyone who has said they want us to be solvent and in the 2nd division NE5, I think you will find you can't.

 

selling your best players will lead to relegation. And putting solvency and profits before success, will lead to absolute mediocrity. The likes of which lots of people haven't experienced even though they thought they had, but you have haven't you ?

 

 

 

 

 

Yes I have thanks very much. What are you trying to prove NE5? That you are a SOOPERFAN and no-one else could possibly know what it was like before Sir John Hall came to the club. If you think I want to be back in that situation then you are very much mistaken, but solvency (or the lack of it) is important, and your ignoring that will not change anything.

 

the solvency that you crave will come in hand with real mediocrity, eventual relegation, 25000 crowds and no way back.

 

 

 

And the scintilating football under Roeder, Souness and Allardyce was amazing. Get a grip man.

 

I meant the days of Robson, Keegan, and the Cup Finals under Dalglish and Gullit.

 

The mediocrity I'm talking about is the days under Ardiles, McGarry, the first few years of Cox, and Smith. Remember them ? Would you like me to tell you who they were ?

 

 

 

Those days were replaced by the contributions of the 3 managers toonlass suggested.

 

I don't agree, but believe me, if you thought those days were bad, stand by for Ashley to show you the real thing.

 

 

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Apologies if you've already told us NE5, I know how much you keep saying you hate repeating yourself, but have you joined NUSC?

 

They are probably not anti-Ashley enough for NE5, who has already given 3 years money to Mike Ashley cos he hates him that much!

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Been reading this thread  over the last couple of days while at work and am just curious that all these people on here slating NUSC and voting for whether or not you support the current aims of NUSC.  Before you voted did any of you actually have any idea what the AIM of NUSC is? 

Ashley Out? Keegan in? Wise strung up by his balls from the top of the Gallowgate?    Well they may all come under the NUSC's banner of striving for positive change but the real answer,  the main AIM the target when this group was formed at the end of September was for some kind of fan representation at boardroom level.   Now whether thats a possibility or pie in the sky and it may well be the impossible dream but that is NUSC ultimate goal.

 

There has only been one members meeting since the group was formed and that was on 29th October,  that was when the AIMS of the group were decided by the members,  the things that were voted on and passed at that meeting were

1. As i said number one goal is Board representation.

2. The continuation of boycotting merchandise and drink/food outlets on matchday

3.  try to make contact with Ashley,  open letter was sent, think numerous moves have been made

4.  a call for the resignations of Wise and Llambias

Other things raised was how to increase the membership and message of support to the team.  Now thats it in the one meeting of NUSC members that was the plan of action.

 

Now i'm not daft and i do know that the Ashley situation takes on alot more significance,  i won't deny that the majority of people who have joined NUSC want Ashley Out.  In saying that the critics on here are wrong to say that its only got that one agenda.  I went to the original meeting and i joined,  i went to the members meeting and i was at the last public meeting last week.   I haven't joined the committee or anything, i haven't got the time to commit to that but fair play to the ones that have.   I'll admit now that one of the things thats pissed me off is that on all 3 meetings is that they seem to fizzle out and you walk away thinking what was agreed there.   

 

Like i said i won't deny that people want Ashley out but then i know loads of supporters who have nothing to do with NUSC who say exactly the same thing.  My personal opinion from being at the 3 meetings is that the overall feeling of the people at those meetings isn't as such the AShley out, but more the plea to heard and spoken to.  Rather than banging down walls wanting Ashley Out NUSC have been crying out for what has happened this week and that the club speak and tell the fans what is going on.  I think more people were wanting to see the back of Wise and Llambias than Ashley.   That is where my cards would be placed,  i've seen the state of the financial mess that the club is in,  i'm grateful in some ways for MA buying it, just disgusted in the way he has tried to run it.   I don't think the continental management structure works in this country, the proof is in the pudding really.  I'm firmly in the Wise out group.

 

While i'm ranting i may as well try and pick up some points that have been raised in this thread and try and correct them.    The protests.  NUSC have not arranged any protests at any matches this season,  the big protest against Hull was before NUSC was formed, actually that and the bedsheet mongs making fools of themselves on a daily basis was what brought NUSC into existance.  Yes there is a rally before the Everton game,  to be honest i don't know what that will entail, i think there will be some speakers at the monument at 3pm.   Looking back at George Caulkins report of the public meeting when he published the minutes of the meeting

 

   prior to the home game against Everton, there will be a rally (note the choice of word – rally) at the Monument in Newcastle’s city       centre. A recommendation put forward at the meeting was that t-shirts promoting the NUSC could be distributed outside

St James’ Park, issuing a statement to the Newcastle hierarchy. Look at us; you can’t ignore this.

 

This at the time was raised as a RALLY not a protest, the Chronicle the next day ran the story saying fans would be protesting before the game and people have jumped on the word proteest.   At the meeting and every meeting that there has been the only thing that EVERY SINGLE PERSON has agreed 100% is that the team on the pitch gets total backing and full support.  It is ridiculous to suggest that a rally/protest call it what you want before the match will effect the team on the pitch, inside that ground the team will be backed to the hilt.

Now i may be wrong but i think the idea of the rally was another step to try and get the club to acknowlege NUSC and speak out, again events this week with Llambias interview may well have thwarted that plan but until someone from NUSC's committee announces what is happening at the rally your guess would be as good as mine.

 

COCKNEY MAFIA BANNER.....This has absolutely nothing to do with the NUSC.  This is one mans flag(Keith Barratt) and Keith has already been on this forum to give his reasons for the flag.

 

The last meeting of course was broadcast on the net so most people would've had the chance to hear it,  i know a few have commented on the lack of pro Ashley comments or anything pro ashley getting drowned out.  I haven't listened to the recording but from being there i didn't feel anyone got shouted down and everyone was heard,  i will admit there were 2 pissed annoying blokes who were loud and definately anti ashley, anything slating Ashley got loud cheers from them.   The 2 most vocal people there was the bloke at the beginning who was wanting people to cancel their direct debits and the woman who came up with the t shirt idea.  Both of them had nothing to do with NUSC until after that night,  they saw there was a public meeting and decided to go along and have there say and they ended up joining on the night.  One of the main things i agreed with on the night was the lad that said he wouldn't cancel his season ticket or DD,  i'm the same, i have been following NUFC since i was 9yr old and will be going next season whether we stay up or go down!  Getting my season ticket will be the cheaper option than buying tickets on a match to match basis.

 

Last point is the about the person complaining about the amount of coverage NUSC has received in around 5 months compared to a group like Toon Ultras.  Thing to remember though is that when NUSC was formed following the fallout of KK sacking/quitting and the protests it was backed by nufc.com, true faith and the MAg.   One thing about Newcastle United is that it has one of the best fanzine culture in the country and them 3 are massive and very influencial, the Mags been going for 20 years now and .com is massive.  Whatever people may say about nufc.com most newcastle fans i know go there when they need to find something out.

Now i've got nothing against the toon ultras and i applaud them in there efforts to improve the atmosphere at the ground but i get the impression that they're a bunch of teenagers/under 21's and not wanting to tar them with the same brush but the bedsheet mongs who were out in force waving there shoes around are the kind of fans that the toon ultras attract. 

 

Whatever people think of NUSC i would urge you to get yourself to an upcoming meeting or contact them and tell them where you think they're going wrong, if you think the committee are being idiots then join and you can vote them off when they get put up for re-election to the committee at the end of the season.   Mistakes will be made,  its a new group trying to move quickly, probably too quickly, as the old saying goes you can't run till you can walk.   The guys who volunteered to put their spare time to use and take this group forward are doing it for one thing only, a love for NUFC.   Its already in the process of changing to a supporter trust, enabling the group to get government funding and other benefits, all things that should help NUSC achieve its main goal, Boardroom representation.

 

Hope i haven't bored everyone silly, its a HTT style post but thought some things needed saying.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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