Would You Swap Your Allegiance?

[OzzieMandias]

If NUFC ceased to exist so too would any interest I have for the game outside of youth football. I couldn't imagine nowt worse than following a club formed out of protest because you don't like the people who run your own club. To me that's no different than going out and supporting another Premier League club. Its a moot point anyway because NUFC will never cease to exist. It may drop down a division or 3 or go bust but as long as there is an entire city willing to follow its fortunes good or bad, it will forever be the institution it is, even if in name only.

 

This is why I and thousands of others would follow this club all the way to the Conference North (or wouldn't slash our wrists should we go down) because deep down it isn't about status or who the opposition will be on a Saturday, its about belonging to something that is untouchable, that something being Geordie Pride that we all carry in us, a pride that is everything and everything Geordie. Be it Ant and Dec, a Bottle of Broon, the Viz or Alan Shearer and that b****** football club of ours which may be given us jip but seriously, would you swap it for any other?

 

Even if you jack your ST in come kick-off your mind will be at SJP or wherever we are playing. You'll always look out for the scores and feel immense pride when your team wins.

Ashley is tearing the heart out of NUFC. Basically the only thing left worth supporting is the name. Where's the pride in that?

 

 

Because we are worse than we once were?  What is taking away that was there before? 

 

What else would you support other than the name?  Players come and go, same goes for fans, managers and owners, the name is all that ever stays.

A concept, a philosophy, the embodiment of cultural pride? Who knows, but people don?t support a collection of letters.

 

Word meanings change. Like Lilywhites. For a long, long time it sort of stood for ?good old fashioned sporting values?, then it was bought by you-know-who and virtually overnight there were pictures of Anna Kornikova?s arse all over the walls. An improvement you might say, but for the people who cared about lilliwhites(sic) it marked the end of a love affair.

 

 

So, for you, the club is a bit like a department store, and now you'd rather go and shop at Mackems & Spencer instead because you prefer their advertising?

 

how many people have came on here and said its like any other business ?

 

 

 

Hardly any at all.

[BottledDog]

It’s not about winning or losing. It’s about what the club stands for, which under Ashley is quickly becoming fuck all.

 

What the club stands for? The club stands for its ingrained history and the city.

 

It's about sticking by your team, for me that is local pride, my town, my roots. For others it's about choice but even then I would be surprised if anyone outside the odd fickle cretin would switch to another club.

[TRon]

No. Its more like a drug that really did the business for a long time, but has lost its magic since the new dealer rode into town. Only mugs do crap gear. 

 

Kindly fuck off and support NCFC or Gateshead or whichever club you feel represents you then.

 

Just do it and don't come whingeing here.

 

 

[80]

It’s not about winning or losing. It’s about what the club stands for, which under Ashley is quickly becoming fuck all.

 

What the club stands for? The club stands for the fucking city.

 

It's about sticking by your team, for me that is local pride, my town, my roots. For others it's about choice but even then I would be surprised if anyone outside the odd fickle cretin would switch to another club.

 

He's saying this club is starting to not represent the city any more, that's his point. I'd agree with the idea that if Ashley/Llambias take it down the route of hyper-commercialisation and hyper sterilise the place so as to make it 'fit for consumers', then it wouldn't stand for the city, it would just stand for a business registered with Companies House. Why would you stand by that? You should either fight to take it off them or abandon that company. A new club would then more likely possess the soul of Newcastle United. (I'm not getting into whether this is what Ashley/Llambias are doing - just talking about the principle).

[OzzieMandias]

If he's worried about commercialisation he should switch to another fucking sport, never mind another club.

[TRon]

Its not about winning or losing. Its about what the club stands for, which under Ashley is quickly becoming fuck all.

 

What the club stands for? The club stands for the fucking city.

 

It's about sticking by your team, for me that is local pride, my town, my roots. For others it's about choice but even then I would be surprised if anyone outside the odd fickle cretin would switch to another club.

 

He's saying this club is starting to not represent the city any more, that's his point. I'd agree with the idea that if Ashley/Llambias take it down the route of hyper-commercialisation and hyper sterilise the place so as to make it 'fit for consumers', then it wouldn't stand for the city, it would just stand for a business registered with Companies House. Why would you stand by that? You should either fight to take it off them or abandon that company. A new club would then more likely possess the soul of Newcastle United. (I'm not getting into whether this is what Ashley/Llambias are doing - just talking about the principle).

 

So John Hall and Freddie Shepherd didn't run a commercial enterprise registered with Companies House?

 

Please grow up.

 

 

 

 

[BottledDog]

It’s not about winning or losing. It’s about what the club stands for, which under Ashley is quickly becoming fuck all.

 

What the club stands for? The club stands for its ingrained history and the city.

 

It's about sticking by your team, for me that is local pride, my town, my roots. For others it's about choice but even then I would be surprised if anyone outside the odd fickle cretin would switch to another club.

 

He's saying this club is starting to not represent the city any more, that's his point. I'd agree with the idea that if Ashley/Llambias take it down the route of hyper-commercialisation and hyper sterilise the place so as to make it 'fit for consumers', then it wouldn't stand for the city, it would just stand for a business registered with Companies House. A new club would then more likely possess the soul of Newcastle United. (I'm not getting into whether this is what Ashley/Llambias are doing - just talking about the principle).

 

Forgive me, but bollox would it possess the soul of Newcastle United.

 

Lets forget the usual overeaction that this thread seems to be embracing, Newcastle United has always had its ups and downs and has been in far lower troughs and always pulled through.

 

It is that history that has made Newcastle United what it is today.

 

When the good times roll, that's grand, but it means more to most, to the area, than just some entertaining nose powder for the likes of Fading Star.

[Guest fading star]

No. It?s more like a drug that really did the business for a long time, but has lost it?s magic since the new dealer rode into town. Only mugs do crap gear. 

 

Same thing, then. You're just a jaded consumer complaining about the product.

Not really. I’m an addict with one very dodgy supplier. Not like shopping at all.

 

No doubt you have some logical reason for supporting NUFC that has nothing to do with endorphin or serotonin.

[OzzieMandias]

No. It?s more like a drug that really did the business for a long time, but has lost it?s magic since the new dealer rode into town. Only mugs do crap gear. 

 

Same thing, then. You're just a jaded consumer complaining about the product.

Not really. I?m an addict with one very dodgy supplier. Not like shopping at all.

 

No doubt you have some logical reason for supporting NUFC that has nothing to do with endorphin or serotonin.

 

Yep, it's my home town club, and it's a lifelong interest I share with friends and family. Fuck all to do with brain chemistry.

[Guest fading star]

No. It’s more like a drug that really did the business for a long time, but has lost it’s magic since the new dealer rode into town. Only mugs do crap gear. 

 

Kindly f*** off and support NCFC or Gateshead or whichever club you feel represents you then.

 

Just do it and don't come whingeing here.

 

 

See. I knew it would be a waste of time trying to discuss this on here.

[80]

It’s not about winning or losing. It’s about what the club stands for, which under Ashley is quickly becoming fuck all.

 

What the club stands for? The club stands for its ingrained history and the city.

 

It's about sticking by your team, for me that is local pride, my town, my roots. For others it's about choice but even then I would be surprised if anyone outside the odd fickle cretin would switch to another club.

 

He's saying this club is starting to not represent the city any more, that's his point. I'd agree with the idea that if Ashley/Llambias take it down the route of hyper-commercialisation and hyper sterilise the place so as to make it 'fit for consumers', then it wouldn't stand for the city, it would just stand for a business registered with Companies House. A new club would then more likely possess the soul of Newcastle United. (I'm not getting into whether this is what Ashley/Llambias are doing - just talking about the principle).

 

Forgive me, but bollox would it possess the soul of Newcastle United.

 

Lets forget the usual overeaction that this thread seems to be embracing (there are always ups and downs), we have had it much worse and history has shown Newcastle United, our club, will always come through.

 

Do you understand that that's what fs is going on about, now, at least? You both agree the club should represent the city, culture, history and any of that shit. He's just arguing that it could not do at some point, and you're saying that's impossible. It doesn't make him fickle if he thinks the best way he can support the tradition of Milburn, Gallagher et al is by not doing it through Ashley's business - taking him at his word, he's seen worse performances/finances/football; that's not what's lacking.

 

As ever, I hope you're right on the last point. I expect you are, too.

 

Ozzie makes a valid point.

 

Tron misses the point.

[Guest fading star]

It’s not about winning or losing. It’s about what the club stands for, which under Ashley is quickly becoming f*** all.

 

What the club stands for? The club stands for the f***ing city.

 

It's about sticking by your team, for me that is local pride, my town, my roots. For others it's about choice but even then I would be surprised if anyone outside the odd fickle cretin would switch to another club.

 

He's saying this club is starting to not represent the city any more, that's his point. I'd agree with the idea that if Ashley/Llambias take it down the route of hyper-commercialisation and hyper sterilise the place so as to make it 'fit for consumers', then it wouldn't stand for the city, it would just stand for a business registered with Companies House. Why would you stand by that? You should either fight to take it off them or abandon that company. A new club would then more likely possess the soul of Newcastle United. (I'm not getting into whether this is what Ashley/Llambias are doing - just talking about the principle).

I’d might have said the spirit of the city, but that‘s near the money.  If the current farce at SJP embodies the sprit of the city then Newcastle must be a bit of a pointless shithole. That’s what message Ashley’s NUFC is selling to the world.

 

Those talking about ups and owns are barking up the wrong tree.

[Guest fading star]

It’s not about winning or losing. It’s about what the club stands for, which under Ashley is quickly becoming f*** all.

 

What the club stands for? The club stands for its ingrained history and the city.

 

It's about sticking by your team, for me that is local pride, my town, my roots. For others it's about choice but even then I would be surprised if anyone outside the odd fickle cretin would switch to another club.

 

He's saying this club is starting to not represent the city any more, that's his point. I'd agree with the idea that if Ashley/Llambias take it down the route of hyper-commercialisation and hyper sterilise the place so as to make it 'fit for consumers', then it wouldn't stand for the city, it would just stand for a business registered with Companies House. A new club would then more likely possess the soul of Newcastle United. (I'm not getting into whether this is what Ashley/Llambias are doing - just talking about the principle).

 

Forgive me, but bollox would it possess the soul of Newcastle United.

 

Lets forget the usual overeaction that this thread seems to be embracing (there are always ups and downs), we have had it much worse and history has shown Newcastle United, our club, will always come through.

 

Do you understand that that's what fs is going on about, now, at least? You both agree the club should represent the city, culture, history and any of that s***. He's just arguing that it could not do at some point, and you're saying that's impossible. It doesn't make him fickle if he thinks the best way he can support the tradition of Milburn, Gallagher et al is by not doing it through Ashley's business - taking him at his word, he's seen worse performances/finances/football; that's not what's lacking.

 

As ever, I hope you're right on the last point. I expect you are, too.

 

Ozzie makes a valid point.

 

Tron misses the point.

I started supporting the club when we were getting gates of 11,000, and have stuck with it because the club has always reflected the good things about Newcastle. Winning or losing has never really been the point.

 

Now the club has virtually nothing to do with Newcastle. Not even the style of play reflects what the club used to be about. 40,000 supporters walk out on SBR. Local lads giving everything they’ve got get slated on supporters messageboards. The crowd boos more than it sings. And then comes along Mr Ashley. Shepherd was a clown but he cared about Newcastle. This bloke doesn’t give a shit about our city. 

[Frazzle]

It’s not about winning or losing. It’s about what the club stands for, which under Ashley is quickly becoming f*** all.

 

What the club stands for? The club stands for its ingrained history and the city.

 

It's about sticking by your team, for me that is local pride, my town, my roots. For others it's about choice but even then I would be surprised if anyone outside the odd fickle cretin would switch to another club.

 

He's saying this club is starting to not represent the city any more, that's his point. I'd agree with the idea that if Ashley/Llambias take it down the route of hyper-commercialisation and hyper sterilise the place so as to make it 'fit for consumers', then it wouldn't stand for the city, it would just stand for a business registered with Companies House. A new club would then more likely possess the soul of Newcastle United. (I'm not getting into whether this is what Ashley/Llambias are doing - just talking about the principle).

 

Forgive me, but bollox would it possess the soul of Newcastle United.

 

Lets forget the usual overeaction that this thread seems to be embracing (there are always ups and downs), we have had it much worse and history has shown Newcastle United, our club, will always come through.

 

Do you understand that that's what fs is going on about, now, at least? You both agree the club should represent the city, culture, history and any of that s***. He's just arguing that it could not do at some point, and you're saying that's impossible. It doesn't make him fickle if he thinks the best way he can support the tradition of Milburn, Gallagher et al is by not doing it through Ashley's business - taking him at his word, he's seen worse performances/finances/football; that's not what's lacking.

 

As ever, I hope you're right on the last point. I expect you are, too.

 

Ozzie makes a valid point.

 

Tron misses the point.

I started supporting the club when we were getting gates of 11,000, and have stuck with it because the club has always reflected the good things about Newcastle. Winning or losing has never really been the point.

 

Now the club has virtually nothing to do with Newcastle. Not even the style of play reflects what the club used to be about. 40,000 supporters walk out on SBR. Local lads giving everything they’ve got get slated on supporters messageboards. The crowd boos more than it sings. And then comes along Mr Ashley. Shepherd was a clown but he cared about Newcastle. This bloke doesn’t give a s*** about our city. 

 

How did the club, in the past, representing the good things about Newcastle? 

 

Shepherd cared for Newcastle?  ;D

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddy_Shepherd#News_of_the_World_Expos.C3.A9

 

[Guest fading star]

Why don’t you tell us what good things it represents now?

 

[garth]

No way!. You support the club through thick or thin, no matter what.

[Frazzle]

Why don’t you tell us what good things it represents now?

 

 

I don't see how the club can be a reflection of the city, especially playing style, which you mentioned.

 

What about cities with two clubs how does that work?

 

Most stuff you've said is just rubbish digs at Ashley.

[BottledDog]

It’s not about winning or losing. It’s about what the club stands for, which under Ashley is quickly becoming fuck all.

 

What the club stands for? The club stands for its ingrained history and the city.

 

It's about sticking by your team, for me that is local pride, my town, my roots. For others it's about choice but even then I would be surprised if anyone outside the odd fickle cretin would switch to another club.

 

He's saying this club is starting to not represent the city any more, that's his point. I'd agree with the idea that if Ashley/Llambias take it down the route of hyper-commercialisation and hyper sterilise the place so as to make it 'fit for consumers', then it wouldn't stand for the city, it would just stand for a business registered with Companies House. A new club would then more likely possess the soul of Newcastle United. (I'm not getting into whether this is what Ashley/Llambias are doing - just talking about the principle).

 

Forgive me, but bollox would it possess the soul of Newcastle United.

 

Lets forget the usual overeaction that this thread seems to be embracing, Newcastle United has always had its ups and downs and has been in far lower troughs and always pulled through.

 

It is that history that has made Newcastle United what it is today.

 

When the good times roll, that's grand, but it means more to most, to the area, than just some entertaining nose powder for the likes of Fading Star.

 

Do you understand that that's what fs is going on about, now, at least? You both agree the club should represent the city, culture, history and any of that shit. He's just arguing that it could not do at some point, and you're saying that's impossible. It doesn't make him fickle if he thinks the best way he can support the tradition of Milburn, Gallagher et al is by not doing it through Ashley's business - taking him at his word, he's seen worse performances/finances/football; that's not what's lacking.

 

As ever, I hope you're right on the last point. I expect you are, too.

 

Ozzie makes a valid point.

 

Tron misses the point.

 

The tradition of Milburn, Gallagher et al is intrinsically linked to NUFC.

 

The club has lost three players (each I might add demanding a move, and each one making similar noises long before our 'recent decline') and is not getting results on the pitch we might hope for. We have a chairman yet to earn our trust and a current crop of players who are not living up to their names. Cue this gnashing of our collective teeth and this idea of jumping ship to some 'real fans club' to keep alive some bullshit ideal.

 

Maybe Fading Star feels that he is not getting his fix at the moment, and that if the club was reflecting the city then the city is a shithole, but forgive me for not going with that. Not having fun? Fine, go elsewhere. While it may be Asley's business at the moment, that does not affect why we are here. Stick by the club, give the owner a chance, if it all fucks up he'll be gone and we start again. NUFC will rebuild, there's no need for some poxy FC United fighting for some misguided duisgruntled mission to save the cities soul.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Sorry, I haven't read the whole thread, but the question is ludicrous. In what world could that happen, and for God's sake why?

[broonalegeordie]

no chance... only way would be if we moved a few hundred mile away. in the way wimbledon moved to MK.

hope afc wimbledon get promotion to the BSP, as that is the real wimbledon team.

as for fc united of manchester, that was pretty pointless in my opinion.

[Skirge]

:mackems:

At some of the reactions, just a thought I had whilst pondering the furure of the club under Ashley, I do not know one single fan that is happy in any way shape or form with the way things have gone/going. He is goijng to destroy us, if we stay up this season then I see next seasonb being just a spoor, at some point you have to ask yourself how long you are going to tolerate the masness.

The question wa sjust a way of getting a sense of how low people are  feeling, maybe ask it again at the end of the season.

[Guest fading star]

No way!. You support the club through thick or thin, no matter what.

why?

[TRon]

Its not about winning or losing. Its about what the club stands for, which under Ashley is quickly becoming f*** all.

 

What the club stands for? The club stands for its ingrained history and the city.

 

It's about sticking by your team, for me that is local pride, my town, my roots. For others it's about choice but even then I would be surprised if anyone outside the odd fickle cretin would switch to another club.

 

He's saying this club is starting to not represent the city any more, that's his point. I'd agree with the idea that if Ashley/Llambias take it down the route of hyper-commercialisation and hyper sterilise the place so as to make it 'fit for consumers', then it wouldn't stand for the city, it would just stand for a business registered with Companies House. A new club would then more likely possess the soul of Newcastle United. (I'm not getting into whether this is what Ashley/Llambias are doing - just talking about the principle).

 

Forgive me, but bollox would it possess the soul of Newcastle United.

 

Lets forget the usual overeaction that this thread seems to be embracing (there are always ups and downs), we have had it much worse and history has shown Newcastle United, our club, will always come through.

 

Do you understand that that's what fs is going on about, now, at least? You both agree the club should represent the city, culture, history and any of that s***. He's just arguing that it could not do at some point, and you're saying that's impossible. It doesn't make him fickle if he thinks the best way he can support the tradition of Milburn, Gallagher et al is by not doing it through Ashley's business - taking him at his word, he's seen worse performances/finances/football; that's not what's lacking.

 

As ever, I hope you're right on the last point. I expect you are, too.

 

Ozzie makes a valid point.

 

Tron misses the point.

I started supporting the club when we were getting gates of 11,000, and have stuck with it because the club has always reflected the good things about Newcastle. Winning or losing has never really been the point.

 

Now the club has virtually nothing to do with Newcastle. Not even the style of play reflects what the club used to be about. 40,000 supporters walk out on SBR. Local lads giving everything theyve got get slated on supporters messageboards. The crowd boos more than it sings. And then comes along Mr Ashley. Shepherd was a clown but he cared about Newcastle. This bloke doesnt give a shit about our city. 

 

I can remember when SJH gave Ardlies a mandate of playing local youngsters with the dream being one day to send  out a team of 11 geordies. When we ended up heading for the 3rd division, there weren't many fans praising the owners for staying in touch with what the club was all about. While I can accept that many fans no longer trust the owner as they did when Keegan was at the helm, I think this sort of answer (supporting a crap but nice team) is fudgeing the issue. If we were prepared to watch rubbish there wouldn't have been so much discontent in times before Ashley arrived on the scene.

 

 

[Frazzle]

No way!. You support the club through thick or thin, no matter what.

why?

 

Its not about having a duty for me, its that I can't help loving the club.  I couldn't support another team and so I have to accept Newcastle may be **** for however long.

[Guest fading star]

What is about NUFC that you love?