Hillsborough

[NG32]

27 years ago today. This should have stopped Hillsborough ever happening tbh

 

1987 Tottenham Hotspur (a) 0-1 (0-1)

FA Cup 5th Round

C.Allen(pen)

38,033

En route to their Wembley loss at the hands of Coventry City, David Pleat's Spurs side scraped through thanks to a dive from Richard Gough under challenge from Peter Jackson that secured a dubious penalty kick that was converted by Clive Allen.

 

Two years before the Hillsborough disaster though, United fans were almost the victim of callous policing by the Met in this game.

 

The Park Lane end containing the travelling support was allowed to become dangerously overcrowded while the adjacent paddocks remained closed and unused.

 

The first few fans to scale the fences were arrested but gradually more joined in and fought with stewards to open gates on to the pitch. And in an eerie foretaste of the Hillsborough tragedy, seated fans above pulled some of those below to safety and disaster was averted.

 

The police's reaction was to stretch a line of officers in front of the away section which blotted out any view of the match.

 

And after the final whistle a vain attempt at holding the United fans back resulted in the gates being forced and running battles taking place along the Seven Sisters Road.

 

Press reports subsequently estimated the away support between 12,000 and 14,000.

 

CP40 and our old man were both at that match.

 

[bigfella]

Me too.

 

Only time I've ever been worried about my safety at a match. It was so packed  I spent the whole game watching over my left shoulder cos I couldn't turn to face the pitch. I also used to smoke like a chimney at the match, but at this one I couldn't get my tabs out of my pocket due to the crush.

How there wasn't fatalities, I'll never know.

[Dr.Spaceman]

My uncle was there. Said it was one of the scariest moments of his life.

[leffe186]

My uncle was there. Said it was one of the scariest moments of his life.

 

The sad truth is that so many of us at the time had similar stories - the main one I remember was at QPR - but the authorities (football, government etc etc) didn't listen:

 

http://thehillsboroughdisasterdocumentary.com/2011/11/16/hillsborough-1981-disaster-narrowly-avoided/

 

Look at the link in the text (third paragraph) where they show footage from our semi v Wolves. This was 19-fucking-81 - eight years before. I think that it's difficult to get across to younger fans just how poorly footy fans were treated in the eighties - literally caged in like animals.

[Guest JamesyJazz]

My uncle was there. Said it was one of the scariest moments of his life.

 

The sad truth is that so many of us at the time had similar stories - the main one I remember was at QPR - but the authorities (football, government etc etc) didn't listen:

 

http://thehillsboroughdisasterdocumentary.com/2011/11/16/hillsborough-1981-disaster-narrowly-avoided/

 

Look at the link in the text (third paragraph) where they show footage from our semi v Wolves. This was 19-f***ing-81 - eight years before. I think that it's difficult to get across to younger fans just how poorly footy fans were treated in the eighties - literally caged in like animals.

Agree,but many fans during the 70's and 80's were animalistic in their behaviour thus allowing the authorities to qualify their treatment of the majority.

Blame cannot only be pointed at one particular party,if you went to football matches during that era,as I did,you know that it was society as a whole that was fucked then,we now reside in the blame and claim culture.

What happened was a tragedy but then again hindsight is a great tool in the hands of the ignorant.

[leffe186]

My uncle was there. Said it was one of the scariest moments of his life.

 

The sad truth is that so many of us at the time had similar stories - the main one I remember was at QPR - but the authorities (football, government etc etc) didn't listen:

 

http://thehillsboroughdisasterdocumentary.com/2011/11/16/hillsborough-1981-disaster-narrowly-avoided/

 

Look at the link in the text (third paragraph) where they show footage from our semi v Wolves. This was 19-f***ing-81 - eight years before. I think that it's difficult to get across to younger fans just how poorly footy fans were treated in the eighties - literally caged in like animals.

Agree,but many fans during the 70's and 80's were animalistic in their behaviour thus allowing the authorities to qualify their treatment of the majority.

Blame cannot only be pointed at one particular party,if you went to football matches during that era,as I did,you know that it was society as a whole that was f***ed then,we now reside in the blame and claim culture.

What happened was a tragedy but then again hindsight is a great tool in the hands of the ignorant.

 

Yes. But we aren't employing hindsight, we were protesting at the time. And people in a position to do something had at least eight years worth of hindsight, and fucked it up. That's not ignorance, that's wilful.

 

Look, I'm not going to point blame at one particular party - there were some horrible cunts on the terraces, as there are some in the seats today. I just think it's worth re-iterating that Hillsborough could have happened several times over, to several people on here, and that it was avoidable.

[Incognito]

My uncle was there. Said it was one of the scariest moments of his life.

 

The sad truth is that so many of us at the time had similar stories - the main one I remember was at QPR - but the authorities (football, government etc etc) didn't listen:

 

http://thehillsboroughdisasterdocumentary.com/2011/11/16/hillsborough-1981-disaster-narrowly-avoided/

 

Look at the link in the text (third paragraph) where they show footage from our semi v Wolves. This was 19-f***ing-81 - eight years before. I think that it's difficult to get across to younger fans just how poorly footy fans were treated in the eighties - literally caged in like animals.

Agree,but many fans during the 70's and 80's were animalistic in their behaviour thus allowing the authorities to qualify their treatment of the majority.

Blame cannot only be pointed at one particular party,if you went to football matches during that era,as I did,you know that it was society as a whole that was f***ed then,we now reside in the blame and claim culture.

What happened was a tragedy but then again hindsight is a great tool in the hands of the ignorant.

 

Yes. But we aren't employing hindsight, we were protesting at the time. And people in a position to do something had at least eight years worth of hindsight, and fucked it up. That's not ignorance, that's wilful.

 

Look, I'm not going to point blame at one particular party - there were some horrible cunts on the terraces, as there are some in the seats today. I just think it's worth re-iterating that Hillsborough could have happened several times over, to several people on here, and that it was avoidable.

 

I used to go with mates to Coventry games at that time.  Stood on Leppings Lane in the FA Cup quarter final and it was scary but not half as scary as the previous round against Stoke at the old Victoria ground where Coventry sold out their end yet the police crammed all 8,000 into the midsection of  3 when all 3 were indeed sold out.

[Guest JamesyJazz]

My uncle was there. Said it was one of the scariest moments of his life.

 

The sad truth is that so many of us at the time had similar stories - the main one I remember was at QPR - but the authorities (football, government etc etc) didn't listen:

 

http://thehillsboroughdisasterdocumentary.com/2011/11/16/hillsborough-1981-disaster-narrowly-avoided/

 

Look at the link in the text (third paragraph) where they show footage from our semi v Wolves. This was 19-f***ing-81 - eight years before. I think that it's difficult to get across to younger fans just how poorly footy fans were treated in the eighties - literally caged in like animals.

Agree,but many fans during the 70's and 80's were animalistic in their behaviour thus allowing the authorities to qualify their treatment of the majority.

Blame cannot only be pointed at one particular party,if you went to football matches during that era,as I did,you know that it was society as a whole that was f***ed then,we now reside in the blame and claim culture.

What happened was a tragedy but then again hindsight is a great tool in the hands of the ignorant.

 

Yes. But we aren't employing hindsight, we were protesting at the time. And people in a position to do something had at least eight years worth of hindsight, and f***ed it up. That's not ignorance, that's wilful.

 

Look, I'm not going to point blame at one particular party - there were some horrible c***s on the terraces, as there are some in the seats today. I just think it's worth re-iterating that Hillsborough could have happened several times over, to several people on here, and that it was avoidable.

Salient points indeed,I agree with your sentiments.

[leffe186]

My uncle was there. Said it was one of the scariest moments of his life.

 

The sad truth is that so many of us at the time had similar stories - the main one I remember was at QPR - but the authorities (football, government etc etc) didn't listen:

 

http://thehillsboroughdisasterdocumentary.com/2011/11/16/hillsborough-1981-disaster-narrowly-avoided/

 

Look at the link in the text (third paragraph) where they show footage from our semi v Wolves. This was 19-f***ing-81 - eight years before. I think that it's difficult to get across to younger fans just how poorly footy fans were treated in the eighties - literally caged in like animals.

Agree,but many fans during the 70's and 80's were animalistic in their behaviour thus allowing the authorities to qualify their treatment of the majority.

Blame cannot only be pointed at one particular party,if you went to football matches during that era,as I did,you know that it was society as a whole that was f***ed then,we now reside in the blame and claim culture.

What happened was a tragedy but then again hindsight is a great tool in the hands of the ignorant.

 

Yes. But we aren't employing hindsight, we were protesting at the time. And people in a position to do something had at least eight years worth of hindsight, and f***ed it up. That's not ignorance, that's wilful.

 

Look, I'm not going to point blame at one particular party - there were some horrible c***s on the terraces, as there are some in the seats today. I just think it's worth re-iterating that Hillsborough could have happened several times over, to several people on here, and that it was avoidable.

Salient points indeed,I agree with your sentiments.

 

Yeah, sorry if I seem a bit belligerent today . Hillsborough does rather hit home, and it seems insane that it was nearly 25 years ago.

[leffe186]

Just a tiny thing, but:

 

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/26970496

 

Everton boss Roberto Martinez has praised the decision to kick off games seven minutes late this weekend in tribute to the Hillsborough victims.

At the start of their FA Cup semi-final against Nottingham Forest on 15 April 1989 a crush on the terraces resulted in the death of 96 Liverpool fans..

 

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/fa-pay-tribute-to-hillsborough-victims-with-96-liverpool-scarves-placed-on-wembley-seats-picture/

 

One of the supporters killed, Colin Andrew Sefton, was a Spurs fan. He was the only one of his mates (mainly Liverpool fans) who had a car. I don't mean to be disrespectful - certainly not as disrespectful as those who seem to have forgotten this in their (rightful) need to remember those who were killed - but I can't help but feel that one Spurs scarf among 95 Liverpool ones would actually be rather powerful, in more ways than one.

[Guest Walter]

I have some pictures of Hillsborough, but they are horrible, not sure wether to post them to show how bad it was

[Ryan_Taylor]

Hilsborough pictures are always fascinating and horrifying in equal measure.

[Guest Walter]

Warning: Graphic Content (3 images)

 

 

 

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[TheGuv]

I've always wondered if it was worse to be right at the front touching the fence or to be in the middle somewhere?

[Hanshithispantz]

It's mental to think that whilst those people were being crushed up against the fence people were actually taking those photos like. I'm not really one to critisise people who take photos during disaster situations when they're powerless to help, but in that circumstance it just seems a completely bizarre thing to do.

[relámpago blanco]

As awful as this was and should never have happened I always find it so odd that its in the media so often. It was a tragedy dont get me wrong but so were alot of things. It gets so much press its unreal. I am not a heartless bastard alot of people died that day but there are other tragedies that occurred in the past. Remember them on the anniversary but its over the top.

[Hanshithispantz]

I can understand the press coverage like, it's far more than just 96 deaths (as daft as that sounds), it's carried (and still does) huge political debate; the coverup was absolutely horrific.

 

I just think things such as the 7 minute delay to kick offs across the Premiership are a bit OTT, not that I'm really bothered about it or anything, it's not a big deal at all. Ibrox and Valley Parade receive next to no media attention which is sort of understandable, but I cannot see how their deaths are any less mournworth (fuck knas).

[Tooj]

What happened was an utter tragedy and the cover up was an utter disgrace.

 

What doesn't sit right with me though is the lack of any sort of mention whatsoever of Heysel and the tragedy they caused there. It's like you're not allowed to mention it anywhere.

[Guest bimpy474]

What happened was an utter tragedy and the cover up was an utter disgrace.

 

What doesn't sit right with me though is the lack of any sort of mention whatsoever of Heysel and the tragedy they caused there. It's like you're not allowed to mention it anywhere.

 

They're unable to wallow in the self pity of that.

[Trumpet]

What happened was an utter tragedy and the cover up was an utter disgrace.

 

What doesn't sit right with me though is the lack of any sort of mention whatsoever of Heysel and the tragedy they caused there. It's like you're not allowed to mention it anywhere.

 

What do you mean by anywhere ? The responsible parties for Heysel were arrested, prosecuted, and punished. People actually went to jail and served time, English clubs were banned. Liverpool apologized, has a Heysel memorial mosaic at Anfield, and upon facing Juventus in CL Quarter-finals in 2005, planned out a program in Heysel remembrance, which was turned back on and shown middle finger by Juventus fans prior to the Kick-Off. The same hasn't happened for Hillsborough yet, hence the on-going press. If this new inquest finally demotes some knighthoods, and single out those responsible and give them the adequate punishment, the press will just treat it like any natural tragedy. In hindsight, if the cover-up didn't happened and the S*n didn't come up with that article, back 25 years ago, it wouldn't be on-going now.

 

It's also fascinating how Hillsborough receives so much attention and positive support from the clubs abroad and their fans (Olympiacos, Dortmund, Atletico, Inter, AC Milan, Bayern, etc) , and not as much in England (Opposition fans) from what I've read or seen.

[Hanshithispantz]

It's also fascinating how Hillsborough receives so much attention and positive support from the clubs abroad and their fans (Olympiacos, Dortmund, Atletico, Inter, AC Milan, Bayern, etc) , and not as much in England (Opposition fans) from what I've read or seen.

The entire Premiership, Football League, Conference and their fans have just observed a minute silence after a 6 minute delay to kick off.

[Wullie]

What happened was an utter tragedy and the cover up was an utter disgrace.

 

What doesn't sit right with me though is the lack of any sort of mention whatsoever of Heysel and the tragedy they caused there. It's like you're not allowed to mention it anywhere.

 

What do you mean by anywhere ? The responsible parties for Heysel were arrested, prosecuted, and punished. People actually went to jail and served time, English clubs were banned. Liverpool apologized, has a Heysel memorial mosaic at Anfield, and upon facing Juventus in CL Quarter-finals in 2005, planned out a program in Heysel remembrance, which was turned back on and shown middle finger by Juventus fans prior to the Kick-Off. The same hasn't happened for Hillsborough yet, hence the on-going press. If this new inquest finally demotes some knighthoods, and single out those responsible and give them the adequate punishment, the press will just treat it like any natural tragedy. In hindsight, if the cover-up didn't happened and the S*n didn't come up with that article, back 25 years ago, it wouldn't be on-going now.

 

It's also fascinating how Hillsborough receives so much attention and positive support from the clubs abroad and their fans (Olympiacos, Dortmund, Atletico, Inter, AC Milan, Bayern, etc) , and not as much in England (Opposition fans) from what I've read or seen.

 

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[Trumpet]

^ Yep. This was extremely tasteless. Absolutely no question. But dickheads are everywhere.

[summerof69]

It's also fascinating how Hillsborough receives so much attention and positive support from the clubs abroad and their fans (Olympiacos, Dortmund, Atletico, Inter, AC Milan, Bayern, etc) , and not as much in England (Opposition fans) from what I've read or seen.

The entire Premiership, Football League, Conference and their fans have just observed a minute silence after a 6 minute delay to kick off.

 

 

 

I don't think it's necessarily the same as the solidarity shown by the clubs mentioned. A minutes silence is, to respect the dead, which is great and no level headed person wouldn't be against that, but doesn't really get behind the campaign in the same way as some of the clubs mentioned have.

[Stifler]

As awful as this was and should never have happened I always find it so odd that its in the media so often. It was a tragedy dont get me wrong but so were alot of things. It gets so much press its unreal. I am not a heartless bastard alot of people died that day but there are other tragedies that occurred in the past. Remember them on the anniversary but its over the top.

I'm baffled about them always talking about it and it always being in the media. Also what's up with the "Justice for the 96" instead of "R.I.P to the 96"?, particularly around the anniversary.