oldtype Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Liverpool 216 (118) Real Madrid 35 (13) Newcastle United 68 (27) England 89 (40) Not bad that. For a weak arse, midget, striker who isnt both footed. As far as I'm concerned all of those were scored by a different player. So we have a striker who scores just under 50% in a s**** side and he's finished as a player? Not good enough for anywhere else, not even Newcastle. He doesnt play well for us for the simple fact he relies on service. Jonas, Butt, Nolan, R Taylor, Duff cant move the ball quick enough, beat their man, pull of a slick passing move, cant play an intelligent pass. Also the fact we aint had a target man pretty much the whole season. His first 10 in 16 don't count either. Again, different player. So that leaves us with 17 goals in 52 matches, which is just about around Afonso Alves territory. Oh, and he's on 100k a week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Swap Owen for Arshavin in a heartbeat, its all about form, Owen has non Arshavin is in great form would score goals and would create chances for others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 dmck let me ask you this. If by some miracle we could swap Owen for any of the Arsenal strikers for the run in till the end of the season would you switch him for any of them? Or keep Owen? Swap him for any of Arshavin, Adebayor or van Persie without question. They create and score chances, be more important to the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 27 shots on goal this year 14 goals.. idiot. Liverpool 216 (118) Real Madrid 35 (13) Newcastle United 68 (27) England 89 (40) Not bad that. For a weak arse, midget, striker who isnt both footed. As far as I'm concerned all of those were scored by a different player. So we have a striker who scores just under 50% in a s**** side and he's finished as a player? Not good enough for anywhere else, not even Newcastle. He doesnt play well for us for the simple fact he relies on service. Jonas, Butt, Nolan, R Taylor, Duff cant move the ball quick enough, beat their man, pull of a slick passing move, cant play an intelligent pass. Also the fact we aint had a target man pretty much the whole season. His first 10 in 16 don't count either. Again, different player. So that leaves us with 17 goals in 52 matches, which is just about around Afonso Alves territory. Oh, and he's on 100k a week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Swap Owen for Arshavin in a heartbeat, its all about form, Owen has non Arshavin is in great form would score goals and would create chances for others. You seem to be implying like there would actually be a debate either way I'd gladly give away every player in the senior squad right now for Arshavin, never mind just Owen. I'd swap him easy for any of Arsenal's attacking players. And yes, that includes the Danish Ameobi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 the idea that owen is more clinical than arshavin, van persie or eduardo.... Whole career suggests so. Daft idea huh? No, not really. 90% of the work Owen does (or used to do) in order to score is down to anticipation, movement and positioning. Mix that with the pace, acceleration and vigour he once had and it is a recipe for goals. His actual finishing was never anything more than average. Now that his legs have gone he has no pace and no power in his shots, so finds it more difficult to get scoring opportunities and more difficult to convert them into goals. Someone like Fowler at his peak could score different kinds of goals from difficult chances, while someone like Shearer was just so powerful and accurate that the goal usually flew in. Owen lacks the guile, touch and invention that Fowler had, and the placement and power that Shearer had. He is an instinctive finisher who relies on other parts of his game and other players to provide chances, nothing more. In terms of pure finishing RVP and Arshavin are absolutely light-years ahead of him, the only reason they don't score so many is because there is far more to their game and they spend much more time in other areas of the pitch, arshavin in particular plays as much as a winger as he does a striker. Eduardo's finishing is also better and his international goal scoring record for croatia is better than owen's for england. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 the idea that owen is more clinical than arshavin, van persie or eduardo.... Whole career suggests so. Daft idea huh? No, not really. 90% of the work Owen does (or used to do) in order to score is down to anticipation, movement and positioning. Mix that with the pace, acceleration and vigour he once had and it is a recipe for goals. His actual finishing was never anything more than average. Now that his legs have gone he has no pace and no power in his shots, so finds it more difficult to get scoring opportunities and more difficult to convert them into goals. Someone like Fowler at his peak could score different kinds of goals from difficult chances, while someone like Shearer was just so powerful and accurate that the goal usually flew in. Owen lacks the guile, touch and invention that Fowler had, and the placement and power that Shearer had. He is an instinctive finisher who relies on other parts of his game and other players to provide chances, nothing more. In terms of pure finishing RVP and Arshavin are absolutely light-years ahead of him, the only reason they don't score so many is because there is far more to their game and they spend much more time in other areas of the pitch, arshavin in particular plays as much as a winger as he does a striker. Eduardo's finishing is also better and his international goal scoring record for croatia is better than owen's for england. 27 shots on goal this year 14 goals.. idiot. Ok argue that then, like 3rd time posted it. How are they light years now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 27 shots on goal this year 14 goals.. idiot. I'd say a striker who contributes absolutely nothing anywhere else on the pitch and plunks it straight at the keeper 14/27 of the time is exceptionally poor. Arshavin has 39/46 by the way. Adebayor has 30/35. I stopped checking after that because this was obviously going to get depressing. Hmm... I seem to be forgetting something. Oh yes. IDIOT EDIT: Jesus Christ, even Martins has 18/20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 27 shots on goal this year 14 goals.. idiot. I'd say a striker who contributes absolutely nothing anywhere else on the pitch and can only put away 1/2 clear cut chances is exceptionally poor. Arshavin has 39/46 by the way. Adebayor has 30/35. I stopped checking after that because this was obviously going to get depressing. Hmm... I seem to be forgetting something. Oh yes. IDIOT Ok now check the amount of shots they take. In total. Owens is like 50.. they are double i bet. I aint checked by the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 the idea that owen is more clinical than arshavin, van persie or eduardo.... Whole career suggests so. Daft idea huh? No, not really. 90% of the work Owen does (or used to do) in order to score is down to anticipation, movement and positioning. Mix that with the pace, acceleration and vigour he once had and it is a recipe for goals. His actual finishing was never anything more than average. Now that his legs have gone he has no pace and no power in his shots, so finds it more difficult to get scoring opportunities and more difficult to convert them into goals. Someone like Fowler at his peak could score different kinds of goals from difficult chances, while someone like Shearer was just so powerful and accurate that the goal usually flew in. Owen lacks the guile, touch and invention that Fowler had, and the placement and power that Shearer had. He is an instinctive finisher who relies on other parts of his game and other players to provide chances, nothing more. In terms of pure finishing RVP and Arshavin are absolutely light-years ahead of him, the only reason they don't score so many is because there is far more to their game and they spend much more time in other areas of the pitch, arshavin in particular plays as much as a winger as he does a striker. Eduardo's finishing is also better and his international goal scoring record for croatia is better than owen's for england. 27 shots on goal this year 14 goals.. idiot. Ok argue that then, like 3rd time posted it. How are they light years now? i would like to see how many of target he has because i remember him missing at least 10 chances between the 2 hull cup games he's finished, got no pace, shit captain, offers nothing to the team and is a midget 1 goal in 16, thats a hell lot worse than shola Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Adebayor - 100 shots. 35 on target. 21 goals. A goal every 5 shots. CLINICAL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Adebayor - 100 shots. 35 on target. 21 goals. A goal every 5 shots. CLINICAL. he can create 1/2 of his own chances, remember owen cannot create anything for himself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 van Persie - 178 shots. 67 on target. 27 goals. Thats pretty impressive. I could go on but getting depressing. Idiot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Adebayor - 100 shots. 35 on target. 21 goals. A goal every 5 shots. CLINICAL. he can create 1/2 of his own chances, remember owen cannot create anything for himself We was arguing about Owen being a good addition to Arsenal, as they try walk it into the net and dont have a type of striker like him. Around the 6 yard box, tucking chances in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 the idea that owen is more clinical than arshavin, van persie or eduardo.... Whole career suggests so. Daft idea huh? No, not really. 90% of the work Owen does (or used to do) in order to score is down to anticipation, movement and positioning. Mix that with the pace, acceleration and vigour he once had and it is a recipe for goals. His actual finishing was never anything more than average. Now that his legs have gone he has no pace and no power in his shots, so finds it more difficult to get scoring opportunities and more difficult to convert them into goals. Someone like Fowler at his peak could score different kinds of goals from difficult chances, while someone like Shearer was just so powerful and accurate that the goal usually flew in. Owen lacks the guile, touch and invention that Fowler had, and the placement and power that Shearer had. He is an instinctive finisher who relies on other parts of his game and other players to provide chances, nothing more. In terms of pure finishing RVP and Arshavin are absolutely light-years ahead of him, the only reason they don't score so many is because there is far more to their game and they spend much more time in other areas of the pitch, arshavin in particular plays as much as a winger as he does a striker. Eduardo's finishing is also better and his international goal scoring record for croatia is better than owen's for england. 27 shots on goal this year 14 goals.. idiot. Ok argue that then, like 3rd time posted it. How are they light years now? Because he never attempts any kind of shot that isnt put on a plate for him? i dont know about your stats but from what i can find this season he has 8 goals and 34 shots, Martins in comparison has had 68 shots, literally twice as many, because he is more likely fashion chances for himself and more likely to take speculative shots. The fact owen has attempted to score so few times is the damning statistic here. Give RVP, Eduardo or Arshavin the same chances as Owen and they'll score more times than he will. Let Owen try to score the difficult goals those players do and he'll fail miserably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 the idea that owen is more clinical than arshavin, van persie or eduardo.... Whole career suggests so. Daft idea huh? No, not really. 90% of the work Owen does (or used to do) in order to score is down to anticipation, movement and positioning. Mix that with the pace, acceleration and vigour he once had and it is a recipe for goals. His actual finishing was never anything more than average. Now that his legs have gone he has no pace and no power in his shots, so finds it more difficult to get scoring opportunities and more difficult to convert them into goals. Someone like Fowler at his peak could score different kinds of goals from difficult chances, while someone like Shearer was just so powerful and accurate that the goal usually flew in. Owen lacks the guile, touch and invention that Fowler had, and the placement and power that Shearer had. He is an instinctive finisher who relies on other parts of his game and other players to provide chances, nothing more. In terms of pure finishing RVP and Arshavin are absolutely light-years ahead of him, the only reason they don't score so many is because there is far more to their game and they spend much more time in other areas of the pitch, arshavin in particular plays as much as a winger as he does a striker. Eduardo's finishing is also better and his international goal scoring record for croatia is better than owen's for england. 27 shots on goal this year 14 goals.. idiot. Ok argue that then, like 3rd time posted it. How are they light years now? i would like to see how many of target he has because i remember him missing at least 10 chances between the 2 hull cup games he's finished, got no pace, s*** captain, offers nothing to the team and is a midget 1 goal in 16, thats a hell lot worse than shola He took 51 total shots this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 the idea that owen is more clinical than arshavin, van persie or eduardo.... Whole career suggests so. Daft idea huh? No, not really. 90% of the work Owen does (or used to do) in order to score is down to anticipation, movement and positioning. Mix that with the pace, acceleration and vigour he once had and it is a recipe for goals. His actual finishing was never anything more than average. Now that his legs have gone he has no pace and no power in his shots, so finds it more difficult to get scoring opportunities and more difficult to convert them into goals. Someone like Fowler at his peak could score different kinds of goals from difficult chances, while someone like Shearer was just so powerful and accurate that the goal usually flew in. Owen lacks the guile, touch and invention that Fowler had, and the placement and power that Shearer had. He is an instinctive finisher who relies on other parts of his game and other players to provide chances, nothing more. In terms of pure finishing RVP and Arshavin are absolutely light-years ahead of him, the only reason they don't score so many is because there is far more to their game and they spend much more time in other areas of the pitch, arshavin in particular plays as much as a winger as he does a striker. Eduardo's finishing is also better and his international goal scoring record for croatia is better than owen's for england. 27 shots on goal this year 14 goals.. idiot. Ok argue that then, like 3rd time posted it. How are they light years now? Because he never attempts any kind of shot that isnt put on a plate for him? i dont know about your stats but from what i can find this season he has 8 goals and 34 shots, Martins in comparison has had 68 shots, literally twice as many, because he is more likely fashion chances for himself and more likely to take speculative shots. The fact owen has attempted to score so few times is the damning statistic here. including England which is fair. As proves he needs service. http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/gamelog?id=7930&cc=5739 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 All I'm going to say is that if you went anywhere in the country right now and suggested that Owen would be a useful addition to the top 4 side, you'd be laughed out. Just like you're being done right here right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobby_solano Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 i still think after a summers rest, he'll do a job for someone else next season like. he's not been the same player since keegan left, he's just wanted the summer to hurry itself along Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 All I'm going to say is that if you went anywhere in the country right now and suggested that Owen would be a useful addition to the top 4 side, you'd be laughed out. Just like you're being done right here right now. Ok i BET i can go to any forum of the top 4 and will get a fair amount of people who will say yes they would. Certainly wouldn't get laughed at. After all isnt he amongst one of the all time greatest strikers in the league?? England national team? Just a shame in crap team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 All I'm going to say is that if you went anywhere in the country right now and suggested that Owen would be a useful addition to the top 4 side, you'd be laughed out. Just like you're being done right here right now. I just proved to you, that your argument was shite .. and that Owen is a clinical striker. You denying that is quite laughable, really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 All I'm going to say is that if you went anywhere in the country right now and suggested that Owen would be a useful addition to the top 4 side, you'd be laughed out. Just like you're being done right here right now. yes, fabio cappello isn't a stupid manager, he can see right through owen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 fwiw Owen would score a fair amount of goals in a good side. not because of his finishing, which is actually now quite poor, but because he still has decent anticipation, movement and positioning and because those sides would create a crapload of good chances for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 dmck let me ask you this. If by some miracle we could swap Owen for any of the Arsenal strikers for the run in till the end of the season would you switch him for any of them? Or keep Owen? Swap him for any of Arshavin, Adebayor or van Persie without question. They create and score chances, be more important to the team. So why on Earth would Wenger show any hint of interest in our grubby, pass it's sell by date striker? Owen is too one dimensional and too slow he wouldn't be able to keep up with those kids at Arsenal. Those Arsenal kids are the future of the game. Young, fresh, exciting and sexy football. Owen would be so out of place. He would be the guy no one wants to sit next to at lunch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 All I'm going to say is that if you went anywhere in the country right now and suggested that Owen would be a useful addition to the top 4 side, you'd be laughed out. Just like you're being done right here right now. I just proved to you, that your argument was shite .. and that Owen is a clinical striker. You denying that is quite laughable, really. you said he was a 1 in 2 striker, but he's had 51 chances thats more than 1 in 4 so that's the arguement of that done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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