RIP sale thread.

[Dave]

[macca888]

Wilky

 

It is far to easy to make inferences such as yours in this day and age. SBR was close to achieving success. Even SAF admitted this saying if we hadnt lost Bellamy in 2003 throuigh injury, we would have won the league.

 

Suffice to say, the game has changed so much in the past 5 years since Abramovich bought Chelsea. Now, major money dictates who wins trophies.

 

Back in the 90s, it wasnt as closed shop as that and Keegan got more than his fair share of finances to buy the best.  Rememeber, we paid a world record fee for Shearer at the time. What did he win?

 

As for Moyes, yes, he is a good manager but his club falls into the category of second class citizens in the EPL  due to the financial backing given to the top 4 and the likes of Spurs, Man City and to a lesser degree, Aston Villa.

[macca888]

NG

 

I can quite clearly remember Ashley and Mort coming out with statements after the appointment saying "we listened to the fans".

 

Anyway, what point are you trying to make exactly?

[NG32]

Wilky

 

It is far to easy to make inferences such as yours in this day and age. SBR was close to achieving success. Even SAF admitted this saying if we hadnt lost Bellamy in 2003 throuigh injury, we would have won the league.

 

Suffice to say, the game has changed so much in the past 5 years since Abramovich bought Chelsea. Now, major money dictates who wins trophies.

 

Back in the 90s, it wasnt as closed shop as that and Keegan got more than his fair share of finances to buy the best.  Rememeber, we paid a world record fee for Shearer at the time. What did he win?

 

As for Moyes, yes, he is a good manager but his club falls into the category of second class citizens in the EPL  due to the financial backing given to the top 4 and the likes of Spurs, Man City and to a lesser degree, Aston Villa.

 

eh?

 

KK was within a couple of points of winning the league with players who had NEVER won it so lacked the experience.

 

Man u were going for yet another title and had the experience. Hence that mega run the had towards the end of the season where cantona and Schmiechle were superb for them.

 

 

 

 

[TooonDoom]

Lets say Keegan wins his case and the club has to pay him approx 8-10 million quid.  Ashley has not sold the club and is not willing to put more of his personal money into the club.  In order to balance the books we have to sell 8-10 million quids worth of players in the transfer window.  We fail to get promoted off the back of this.  Who is that bad guy there Ashley or Keegan?  For all Keegan did for this club his is a prize twat for suing us.  Leave the job fair enough but if he takes the money out of this club and hurts us further he should be shot.  Ashley for all his daft decisions has never taken money out of the club (as far as we are aware).  He is going to make a loss on his money.  The so called people we trust regularly take money away from the club.

 

 

[NG32]

Lets say Keegan wins his case and the club has to pay him approx 8-10 million quid.  Ashley has not sold the club and is not willing to put more of his personal money into the club.  In order to balance the books we have to sell 8-10 million quids worth of players in the transfer window.  We fail to get promoted off the back of this.  Who is that bad guy there Ashley or Keegan?  For all Keegan did for this club his is a prize t*** for suing us.  Leave the job fair enough but if he takes the money out of this club and hurts us further he should be shot.  Ashley for all his daft decisions has never taken money out of the club (as far as we are aware).  He is going to make a loss on his money.  The so called people we trust regularly take money away from the club.

 

 

 

If KK is proven right in court and the cub have to pay him 10 mil, then its AShley at fault again.  Seems to be a reocurring situation doesn't it.  Ashley seems to be at the centre of all the problems at the club and KK still gets the blame.

 

laughable.

[macca888]

NG

 

You know there was more to it than that. Like throwing away a 12 point lead because KK tactically didnt know how to defend and grind out results.

 

Anyway, my comments was relating to SBR and how close we came in 2003.

[macca888]

Toondoom

 

Quite a good scenario and quite possible too. Speaks for itself when you also consider his soccer circus is leaking money like a sieve. Seems quite convenient for him to make a claim, no matter how undeserved it is.

 

What some people tend to call peoples opinions on this matter "laughable", possibly need to get rid of the blinkers.

 

I actually hope Ashley wins his counter claim againast Keegan and get a couple of million for the club.

[NG32]

NG

 

You know there was more to it than that. Like throwing away a 12 point lead because KK tactically didnt know how to defend and grind out results.

 

Anyway, my comments was relating to SBR and how close we came in 2003.

 

I think you'll find it was  number of factors which didn't see us past the post first.  I would say lack of experience was the main one and secondly a few of our regulars ran out of steam.

 

We were a hell of a lot closer to winning the league under KK then SBR and had a better team to boot.

 

Can you remember Alex fergusons title challenge before the prem when his Man U team blew a 12 pt lead? 

[macca888]

NG

 

Yes, I remember that occasion too.

 

Begs to ask the question then.

 

Where did Alex Ferguson go from there and Where did Kevin Keegan go?

 

In any season, there is going to be a number of factors but noone can deny on here that 1995, Keegan blew the title because he was tactically niave, not because the team was inexperienced. Blackburn Rovers won the title when they were inexperienced. So did Leeds. There should have been no excuse for us in 1995, especially when you consider Kegans failure to close up shop in the last 15 minutes at Blackburn and Liverpool when we were winning.

[BottledDog]

HTL

 

Tripe is something they eat in Lancashire, isnt it? Not a bees dick from your Yorkshire roots mate.

 

Regarding your comment about me saying YOU SUPPORTERS, you seem to have replied out of context. I was referring to the money the fans pay in ticket sales, mechandise etc, which quite clearly, I am unable to do due to my location.

 

I would have thought even you would have been intelligent enough to work that one out....................then again, Maybe not

 

I think it is pretty obvious from many on here that the divine god KK is no longer thought that way by the masses. Or, are you happy that he is trying to take 10 million for a few months work out of our financially crippled club which quite probably is the paramount reason any takeover cannot be completed?

 

Your reply will be noted with interest

 

I dont think anyone thinks he is a divine god, only the media use it.

 

I think he is a more trust worthy man then the halls, Shepherd and some fucking wankers like Ashley, Llambias and Wise.

 

All the above have been proven to be cunts, yet people like you still have a pop at KK

 

Hitler, Stalin, and Pol bleeding Pot were right radgie twunts too. Doesn't make Keegan any less open to criticism.

[NG32]

NG

 

Yes, I remember that occasion too.

 

Begs to ask the question then.

 

Where did Alex Ferguson go from there and Where did Kevin Keegan go?

 

In any season, there is going to be a number of factors but noone can deny on here that 1995, Keegan blew the title because he was tactically niave, not because the team was inexperienced. Blackburn Rovers won the title when they were inexperienced. So did Leeds. There should have been no excuse for us in 1995, especially when you consider Kegans failure to close up shop in the last 15 minutes at Blackburn and Liverpool when we were winning.

 

Ferguson was backed at Man UTD where KK had lost faith in the Halls and their cronies.

 

The failure to winning the league that season for NUFC was a stepping stone/learning curve of what is needed to winning the league.

 

 

[TooonDoom]

Toondoom

 

Quite a good scenario and quite possible too. Speaks for itself when you also consider his soccer circus is leaking money like a sieve. Seems quite convenient for him to make a claim, no matter how undeserved it is.

 

What some people tend to call peoples opinions on this matter "laughable", possibly need to get rid of the blinkers.

 

I actually hope Ashley wins his counter claim againast Keegan and get a couple of million for the club.

 

Making money would be a bonus!

 

The thing that gets me is that it is obvious certain decisions are made for personal reasons and they do not get slated.

 

Ashley makes a decision to have a structure in place with Wise and all.  He makes that because he thinks that is the best for Newcastle.  We can all agree it was the wrong decision but it is made thinking about the club.

 

Keegan makes a decision to sue the club for personal gain to the determent of Newcastle.  That's fine in some people opinion  

[macca888]

NG

 

It is probably difficult to compare the two clubs at the time. Financially, Manchester United were and probably still are the richest club in the world whilst we were possibly punching above our weight financially at the time. Lets be honest here, it was never going to last for a variety of different reasons.

 

However, what cannot be denied is that we were in a superb position to win the league and we blew it. I also remember Keegan boosting the squad with the signings of Batty and Asprilla in the march. Unfortunatley, what we probably needed more was a couple of quality central defenders. Keegan should have known this.

 

I suppose we could argue till the cows come home but the fact is, we lost a 12 point lead we shouldnt have and ultimately, that has to be down to the manager who selects the team and issues the tactics. Only one person to blame, mmate, That is Keegan.

 

Anyway, it is late here. Good discussion, NG, but the missus is giving me the call so I better get off and do my duty.............LOL

[Teasy]

NG

 

I suppose we could argue till the cows come home but the fact is, we lost a 12 point lead we shouldnt have and ultimately, that has to be down to the manager who selects the team and issues the tactics. Only one person to blame, mmate, That is Keegan.

 

As far as I remember we were only 12 points ahead for a few hours before Manure played their next match.  The lead was 9 points and Manure still had a game in hand which effectively made it only a 6 point lead.  Still shouldn't have lost it like.

[macca888]

Teasy

 

Same difference, mate Games still had to be won. They won theirs, we lost ours.

[Guest gggg]

From the bottom of the second division to 12 points clear in the top flight. Amazing achievement.

 

If Hughton does that we'll all be calling him shit and stuff 10 years on, obviously.

[macca888]

GG

 

Dont be silly.............grow up

[NG32]

NG

 

It is probably difficult to compare the two clubs at the time. Financially, Manchester United were and probably still are the richest club in the world whilst we were possibly punching above our weight financially at the time. Lets be honest here, it was never going to last for a variety of different reasons.

 

However, what cannot be denied is that we were in a superb position to win the league and we blew it. I also remember Keegan boosting the squad with the signings of Batty and Asprilla in the march. Unfortunatley, what we probably needed more was a couple of quality central defenders. Keegan should have known this.

 

I suppose we could argue till the cows come home but the fact is, we lost a 12 point lead we shouldnt have and ultimately, that has to be down to the manager who selects the team and issues the tactics. Only one person to blame, mmate, That is Keegan.

 

Anyway, it is late here. Good discussion, NG, but the missus is giving me the call so I better get off and do my duty.............LOL

 

He added David Batty to protect the back four and added Asprilla to bring more goals in.

 

 

[Teasy]

Teasy

 

Same difference, mate Games still had to be won. They won theirs, we lost ours.

 

I just hate it when the fabled 12 point lead is mentioned, its a falacy IMO and the media and everyone else have used it as a stick to beat us with for years.  There was nothing we could do to stop Manure winning their delayed game that day or their game in hand.  All we could do is keep the actual 6 point lead we had and of course we didn't which does fall on Keegans shoulders.  Of course getting that lead in the first place also falls on his shoulders.

[Tooj]

Teasy

 

Same difference, mate Games still had to be won. They won theirs, we lost ours.

 

Yeah still shouldn't have lost the 6 point lead.  I just hate it when the fabled 12 point lead is mentioned, its a falacy IMO and the media and everyone else have used it as a stick to beat us with for years.  There was nothing we could do to stop Manure winning their delayed game that day or their game in hand.  All we could do is keep the actual 6 point lead we had and of course we didn't which does drop on Keegans shoulders.

 

It does inded. But also players like Les Ferdinand and Rob Lee who got us there in the first place need to take some responsibility as well. Obviously not as much as Keegan, but their arses basically fell out.

[Mowen]

NG

 

I can quite clearly remember Ashley and Mort coming out with statements after the appointment saying "we listened to the fans".

 

Anyway, what point are you trying to make exactly?

 

So fucking what if Ashley and Mort said that? Hardly paragons of truth. KK was not appointed at the behest of the fans, no-one could believe it had happened and the response to the appointment could be best described (imo) as something along the lines of terrified excitement.

[NG32]

NG

 

I can quite clearly remember Ashley and Mort coming out with statements after the appointment saying "we listened to the fans".

 

Anyway, what point are you trying to make exactly?

 

So f***ing what if Ashley and Mort said that? Hardly paragons of truth. KK was not appointed at the behest of the fans, no-one could believe it had happened and the response to the appointment could be best described (imo) as something along the lines of terrified excitement.

 

 

Like getting caught wanking over pat butcher.

[Mowen]

NG

 

I can quite clearly remember Ashley and Mort coming out with statements after the appointment saying "we listened to the fans".

 

Anyway, what point are you trying to make exactly?

 

So f***ing what if Ashley and Mort said that? Hardly paragons of truth. KK was not appointed at the behest of the fans, no-one could believe it had happened and the response to the appointment could be best described (imo) as something along the lines of terrified excitement.

 

 

Like getting caught wanking over pat butcher.

 

Yes, a bit like that. Why couldn't I think of that analogy.

[UV]

Teasy

 

Same difference, mate Games still had to be won. They won theirs, we lost ours.

 

I just hate it when the fabled 12 point lead is mentioned, its a falacy IMO and the media and everyone else have used it as a stick to beat us with for years.  There was nothing we could do to stop Manure winning their delayed game that day or their game in hand.  All we could do is keep the actual 6 point lead we had and of course we didn't which does fall on Keegans shoulders.  Of course getting that lead in the first place also falls on his shoulders.

 

I agree, I hate that 12 point lead myth. As an added bonus macca also brings up the we lost because of the crap defence myth in the same post.

 

Man Utd 	38 	15 	4 	0 	36 	9 	10 	3 	6 	37 	26 	82 	+38
Newcastle 	38 	17 	1 	1 	38 	9 	7 	5 	7 	28 	28 	78 	+29

 

2 goals in it defensively, 7 goals in it offensively.

 

Man U's last 15 games were won 13, drew 1, lost 1. They dropped 5 points out of 45. It wasn't so much us bottling it as Man U going on a brilliant run.