bhoywhonder Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Pace, movement, desire. Passion. Drive. Commitment. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18471301 "Escape with a win" Sounds familiar. Catts for me, like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest andrew Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Pirlo's at leat 5 years past his best and Cassano has less than half as many international goals as Peter Crouch. There's very, very little to fear in that Italian side. fuck me man, so ignorant that. they're a great side Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18440947 Who would listen to this? So poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I think he means he's still a great player, just not as great as he once was, which is quite irrelevant when he's still head and shoulders above anything we've got. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18440947 Who would listen to this? So poor. Lasted until Carroll scored. The fat cunt wasn't even watching then was more bothered about pressing buttons. Fucking awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 England are a weird side at the moment. In the first half we looked really good and pretty competent but for large spells in the second half we were shocking and comical even. We are poor at set pieces too in terms of defending and although we scored 3 goals we still look a bit tame up front. Parker is a waste of a shirt at this level, the game is slow and more tactical and therefore there is no need for him and his tackling and snapping away. We could do with someone like Carrick or Scholes in there who can pick the ball up and move it quickly while aslo sitting to protect just in case. Parker's passing just isn't good enough or quick enough. Gerrard has two assists but he's another waste of a shirt. He and Parker were miles away from the strikers and are so pedestrian even a pedestrian Swedish midfield overran them at times. Young has to be dropped too as does Milner. Lastly.... Terry If he were a horse at Cheltenham he'd be put down. At this level he looks so out of place. Lescott on the other hand was very good as too were the full-backs, although Johnson had a few iffy moments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 So baring in mind the players who asked not to be selected and the injuries the original squad has sustained what would your first 11 be HTT?... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Colossus Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18440947 Who would listen to this? So poor. Lasted until Carroll scored. The fat c*** wasn't even watching then was more bothered about pressing buttons. f***ing awful. Pressing buttons while bragging about how he can do what he wants. Vile. Spent some of Spain v Ireland listening to an alternative commentary on Absolute radio with Mark Watson and his brother which was quite good. Highlight being "Iniesta goes by on a unicycle there, as Pique sets up a barbecue in the corner." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Lastly.... Terry If he were a horse at Cheltenham he'd be put down. At this level he looks so out of place. Lescott on the other hand was very good as too were the full-backs, although Johnson had a few iffy moments. Fast becoming the Garth Crooks of the forum, dude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Better than being the Mark Lawrenson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Scrawny, biased runt with a self-righteous agenda? Fair point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 In all seriousness, though, I don't quite see why Terry's takes the flak so often in an England shirt. He's the least of England's problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Yes, I'm at a loss to explain why Terry may have lost the goodwill of the general public. He doesn't look physically up to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 In all seriousness, though, I don't quite see why Terry's takes the flak so often in an England shirt. He's the least of England's problems. Definately, our defence, especially with John Terry is one of our strongest points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Lastly.... Terry If he were a horse at Cheltenham he'd be put down. At this level he looks so out of place. Lescott on the other hand was very good as too were the full-backs, although Johnson had a few iffy moments. Fast becoming the Garth Crooks of the forum, dude. Give over man, he's well past it at this level. And again with the American vernacular... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 You mean Johan Elmander's level? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 In all seriousness, though, I don't quite see why Terry's takes the flak so often in an England shirt. He's the least of England's problems. He is the least of our problems or one of the lesser problems but he is a symbol of all that is wrong with English football. He has moderate ability but is or was regarded as a world-class centre-back. Wrong. Ferdinand was a world-class centre-back. Nesta. Dessailly. Lucio. Carvalho even. Terry... he's average at best at this level. He's also an odious cunt of a person. Me, I personally find it embarrassing seeing him in an England shirt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Yeah, he's a cunt. And unsurprisingly you're letting that influence your opinion of him as a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Yeah, he's a c***. And unsurprisingly you're letting that influence your opinion of him as a player. Far from it. I have never been impressed with Terry as an international for the last few tournaments when it wasn't so apparent that he was a cunt. I just think he lacks a good few attributes needed at this level. He's great at getting his head on the end of a cross, flying into strikes to block the ball or generally trying to remain physically strong against a physically strong opponent which is your typical Premier League faire but at this level, centre-backs are not tested in that way, not as much to require such a centre-back. Parker is similar. A top Premier League player but at this level, he looks way out of his depth and that's because the qualities he has or rather the attributes he has, just aren't required at this level and because he doesn't have enough ability to play another way if you like, he just looks poor in general. Terry is the same. When he's ran at, turned, up against a smart player or asked to bring the ball out and to deal with tactical switches from the opposition forwards, he struggles and badly so. At times last night he was like a rabbit caught in the headlights of a car when up against Abrahamivic who didn't exactly have a great game to be fair, but whenever he was up against Terry, the Chelsea man looked out of his depth. Your problem Ronaldo, you're very knowledgeable but you refuse to either accept others have a different opinion or when it challenges your own you cannot deal with it. To you Terry is great etc. To me, he's the opposite. Colo wipes the floor with him on every level as does the player sat at home in Rio Ferdinand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Yeah, he's a c***. And unsurprisingly you're letting that influence your opinion of him as a player. Far from it. I have never been impressed with Terry as an international for the last few tournaments when it wasn't so apparent that he was a c***. I just think he lacks a good few attributes needed at this level. He's great at getting his head on the end of a cross, flying into strikes to block the ball or generally trying to remain physically strong against a physically strong opponent which is your typical Premier League faire but at this level, centre-backs are not tested in that way, not as much to require such a centre-back. Parker is similar. A top Premier League player but at this level, he looks way out of his depth and that's because the qualities he has or rather the attributes he has, just aren't required at this level and because he doesn't have enough ability to play another way if you like, he just looks poor in general. Terry is the same. When he's ran at, turned, up against a smart player or asked to bring the ball out and to deal with tactical switches from the opposition forwards, he struggles and badly so. At times last night he was like a rabbit caught in the headlights of a car when up against Abrahamivic who didn't exactly have a great game to be fair, but whenever he was up against Terry, the Chelsea man looked out of his depth. Your problem Ronaldo, you're very knowledgeable but you refuse to either accept others have a different opinion or when it challenges your own you cannot deal with it. To you Terry is great etc. To me, he's the opposite. Colo wipes the floor with him on every level as does the player sat at home in Rio Ferdinand. Agree completly with the second part in bold, the first part is pretty ludicrous though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest n4e Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Pirlo's at leat 5 years past his best and Cassano has less than half as many international goals as Peter Crouch. There's very, very little to fear in that Italian side. Pirlo is infinitely better than any of our midfielders, the man's class. Aye he's only been one of the best midfielders this season in Europe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Hodgson had the choice of Terry and Ferdinand early doors and should have went for Ferdinand, ability-aside (and I don't think there's much between them currently) it was the right thing to do in the circumstances and Terry will end up fucking Hodgson over with his behaviour at some point as he has done to various other managers. Once it got to the point that Martin Kelly was included I actually agreed with his decision not to take Ferdinand as you can't have those 2 in the same squad IMO. I didn't agree with his "football reasons" justification necessarily but if you start saying it's for other reasons then it looks like you've picked the guy facing charges for racism ahead of the victim's brother for very dodgy reasons, and whether that's what's happening or not you can't really come out and say it. The situation's a mess but that's John Terry for you, brings a lot of baggage. Anyway I really enjoyed the game last night and was happy with the character England showed, I'd have been delighted with a draw at 2-1 down but to come back and hold on was pretty impressive. Think we deserved it against a slow and ageing Swedish side but the big tests will come when having to be patient and spoil the game against better sides, we did a canny job of this against France but we need to start keeping clean sheets as it's doubtful you'll score more than one goal against a Spain or a Germany. Would imagine we'll be out at the quarters tbh, which is acceptable progress really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Completely agree that Ferdinand is the better player and he should have been in the squad instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 If Ferdinand wasn't a walking injury I agree. If he'd taken Ferdinand over Terry we'd be looking at Lescott/Jagielka at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Rio and Terry are both past their best. Rio has arguably been on the wane for longer and is also injury prone , whereas Terry is a better leader. Out of the 2, I prefer Terry. But I've never rated Rio so my judgment is probably tainted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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