ponsaelius Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Aggressive? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Aggressive? I'm shedding tears personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Just a good job for him that his team mates aren't quite so easy to defend against, whilst he stands prone waiting for them to put the ball on a plate. It's not like he's spent his whole career at big clubs putting them on a plate for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 He's just not good enough in terms of build-up. It was a great finish, but it was more down to a quick counter-attack and a quality finish than any great play from Defoe. He got the chance because the defender wasn't close enough to him. Just my opinion, but for me I think you need someone a bit more creative rather than a finisher with little else to his game upfront in an international game. Even Gomez who gets stick for being just a finisher has incredible movement which opens space for other players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 His goal and the chance he missed with his left foot neatly summed up Defoe in 5 minutes. On his day, clinical, but obviously has his flaws. Still, if he's first choice for Spurs this year I'd definitely fancy him to get 20 goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Couldn't give a s*** how good his stats make him look. Even Redknapp had the tactical nouse to realise no side would ever achieve anything playing him. http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT6r8-bw1dyinSezXJkBiWS1ViFNDNeHbg4nmW0KQa1qx_zyTOt That's exactly how I'd describe blindly looking at his stats/highlights without realising just how poor a footballer he actually is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Couldn't give a s*** how good his stats make him look. Even Redknapp had the tactical nouse to realise no side would ever achieve anything playing him. http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT6r8-bw1dyinSezXJkBiWS1ViFNDNeHbg4nmW0KQa1qx_zyTOt That's exactly how I'd describe blindly looking at his stats/highlights without realising just how poor a footballer he actually is How's looking at his stats burying my head in the sand. "Blah blah, I don't CARE that he's scored almost 200 goals at the highest level , he's poor blah blah". is though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 the details... WHAT ARE THE DETAILS?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Vintage ITV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Defoe the striker, as in goals and nothing else = Quality, has the statisitics to back it up. Defoe the footballer, as in link up play, holding the ball up, assists blah blah blah = Probably not very good. Depends what you want in him as a player really. Probably why the mackems are after him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 the details... WHAT ARE THE DETAILS?! You'll appreciate that for some reason, your post reminded me of: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Hope we lose Adrian in Moldova. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Hopefully this is the permanent reinstatement of Carrick. Vital to have a player like him in the team, one whose natural game is to drop deep and pick up the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Hopefully this is the permanent reinstatement of Carrick. Vital to have a player like him in the team, one whose natural game is to drop deep and pick up the ball. Think Carrick's a good player. Seemed to suffer from a total lack of confidence a couple of years ago but he's got the quality to dictate the tempo of games. Very comfortable on the ball, perhaps needs to improve his decision-making. Plus, Ferguson saying he thinks Carrick will be key for them this season speaks a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Hopefully this is the permanent reinstatement of Carrick. Vital to have a player like him in the team, one whose natural game is to drop deep and pick up the ball. Thought him and Lampard did really well actually, Carrick sitting deep and giving Lampard licence to get forward and get shots on goal. Looked a good partnership, shame about Lampard's age. Wilshere's role for 2014? Early days yet, but if he comes back from this seemingly eternal injury I think he'd slot in nicely there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Don't disagree he's worth being in the team but Carrick is still the living embodiment of english midfield mediocrity on the world stage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest n4e Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Did Ogbonna play? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Couldn't give a s*** how good his stats make him look. Even Redknapp had the tactical nouse to realise no side would ever achieve anything playing him. http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT6r8-bw1dyinSezXJkBiWS1ViFNDNeHbg4nmW0KQa1qx_zyTOt That's exactly how I'd describe blindly looking at his stats/highlights without realising just how poor a footballer he actually is How's looking at his stats burying my head in the sand. "Blah blah, I don't CARE that he's scored almost 200 goals at the highest level , he's poor blah blah". is though. I don't agree at all. This is my opinion having watched him play however many times over the years.. I honestly think in terms of fundamental footballing qualities he is close to being one of the worst players in the league. Average movement, average technique, wildly inconsistent first touch, abysmal link-up play, horrendous awareness of others on the pitch; ultimately very difficult to fit into a functioning team because of these things. He's got a good goalscoring record because he shoots every time he gets the ball and is quite good at it. Good qualities - if you never want to achieve anything as a team and are happy for him to do that. Just like Darren Bent he will always come up smelling of roses in a team because he scores goals and also ones that look pretty on the eye in isolation. But I'd hate to see him in a Newcastle team just like I'd hate to see Darren Bent ever play for us. But hey ho that's just my opinion. Let's try not to be 'aggressive'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Couldn't give a s*** how good his stats make him look. Even Redknapp had the tactical nouse to realise no side would ever achieve anything playing him. http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT6r8-bw1dyinSezXJkBiWS1ViFNDNeHbg4nmW0KQa1qx_zyTOt That's exactly how I'd describe blindly looking at his stats/highlights without realising just how poor a footballer he actually is How's looking at his stats burying my head in the sand. "Blah blah, I don't CARE that he's scored almost 200 goals at the highest level , he's poor blah blah". is though. I don't agree at all. This is my opinion having watched him play however many times over the years.. I honestly think in terms of fundamental footballing qualities he is close to being one of the worst players in the league. Average movement, average technique, wildly inconsistent first touch, abysmal link-up play, horrendous awareness of others on the pitch; ultimately very difficult to fit into a functioning team because of these things. He's got a good goalscoring record because he shoots every time he gets the ball and is quite good at it. Good qualities - if you never want to achieve anything as a team and are happy for him to do that. Just like Darren Bent he will always come up smelling of roses in a team because he scores goals and also ones that look pretty on the eye in isolation. But I'd hate to see him in a Newcastle team just like I'd hate to see Darren Bent ever play for us. But hey ho that's just my opinion. Let's try not to be 'aggressive'. I'd actually say Darren Bent is even worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Agree, he is. Defoe has at least actively tried to improve as the years have gone on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 That's not what he's about though. See Andy Cole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Oh bloody hell man, you didn't take that comment seriously did you? He's been a decent PL striker for a long time and usually gets goals if given a decent run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Did Ogbonna play? Yeh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Andy Cole played alongside Peter Beardsley and had an almost telepathic understanding with him. He then went on to play a key role in a side that challenged for major honours, forging an immaculate understanding with another very different forward. I've never seen Defoe forge an understanding with any other forward or player on a football pitch ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Did Ogbonna play? Yeah. My Dad asked why Balotelli was playing at CB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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