KaKa Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 So it has been done before? Did it not work then? The midfield needs Carrick to dictate play from deep, as Gerrard isn't quite doing a good enough job of it tbh. One out of Gerrard, Wilshere and Lampard has to sit. Think Wilshere can afford to be brought along a bit slower tbh, before they ruin him too. Who've 'they' ruined? I was talking about the combination of bad managers and the media. Constantly build up England's talented players, by giving them way too much responsibility and praise too early, before tearing them down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Have England ever tried a midfield three of Carrick, Lampard and Gerrard? With Gerrard and Lamparad given the freedom to get forward and do what they essentially do best? Then just letting Carrick distribute from the back as he does it better than any other English player at the moment. Gerrard can't get forward like he used to though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Have England ever tried a midfield three of Carrick, Lampard and Gerrard? With Gerrard and Lamparad given the freedom to get forward and do what they essentially do best? Then just letting Carrick distribute from the back as he does it better than any other English player at the moment. Gerrard can't get forward like he used to though. I'm a Gerrard fan but this is correct. However he played the anchor man role sufficiently in Tuesday and I think he's more than good enough at prompting from deeper than he used to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Have England ever tried a midfield three of Carrick, Lampard and Gerrard? With Gerrard and Lamparad given the freedom to get forward and do what they essentially do best? Then just letting Carrick distribute from the back as he does it better than any other English player at the moment. Gerrard can't get forward like he used to though. I'm a Gerrard fan but this is correct. However he played the anchor man role sufficiently in Tuesday and I think he's more than good enough at prompting from deeper than he used to play. I think he's looked better for England over the past year or so because he now knows he can't bomb forward like he used to if that makes sense? Always found him previously too tactically indisciplined whilst playing for England, but now he knows that he has to play within himself he seems more than happy to do so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Have England ever tried a midfield three of Carrick, Lampard and Gerrard? With Gerrard and Lamparad given the freedom to get forward and do what they essentially do best? Then just letting Carrick distribute from the back as he does it better than any other English player at the moment. Gerrard can't get forward like he used to though. I'm a Gerrard fan but this is correct. However he played the anchor man role sufficiently in Tuesday and I think he's more than good enough at prompting from deeper than he used to play. I think he's looked better for England over the past year or so because he now knows he can't bomb forward like he used to if that makes sense? Always found him previously too tactically indisciplined whilst playing for England, but now he knows that he has to play within himself he seems more than happy to do so. I think the responsibility of the armband has aided this too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Pirlo/Lampard Both modern day legends of the game. This is how I seperate it - Pirlo would play in every single side Lampard has played in. Lampard wouldn't get into those AC sides nor the current Juve side right now. What Lampard has over his contempories is largely consistency. What Lampard has done which no other player has really managed. Is to get the goals while spending a lot of time so deep. His runs, shooting, heading, positioning in the box is next to none. And e has a superb eye for a killer ball is amazing. But at the highest level. He's not as good a footballer as others. He doesn't have the talent. Now, he may be as or even more productive than them. He wouldn't dominate a top class contest- that's one of the reasons why Engkand struggle I bad. But he would score/assist and his team (well Chelsea) win anyway. Just depends which you prefer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Lampard wouldn't get into those AC sides nor the current Juve side right now. Aye... who would want a 20 goals a season something midfielder who also happens to create a shit load of goals too. Much rather have someone who scores next to no goals but can spray da baal aboot like a boss man innit! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Absolutely cringing like fuck at the wording of that post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 He's made 91 assists in the Premiership since his debut. Averages around 5 a season. Hardly earth shattering stats. Certainly not for one of the finest England has ever produced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Lampard wouldn't get into those AC sides nor the current Juve side right now. Aye... who would want a 20 goals a season something midfielder who also happens to create a shit load of goals too. Much rather have someone who scores next to no goals but can spray da baal aboot like a boss man innit! He isnt a 20 goal a season midfielder, he averages 12 or so per season. Outstanding figures nevertheless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 He's made 91 assists in the Premiership since his debut. Averages around 5 a season. Hardly earth shattering stats. Certainly not for one of the finest England has ever produced. Only Giggs has more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Assists are actually pretty rare aren't they? Even the best players only get fairly few. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 He's made 91 assists in the Premiership since his debut. Averages around 5 a season. Hardly earth shattering stats. Certainly not for one of the finest England has ever produced. Only Giggs has more. Fair play to Lampard for having such longevity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Great players mostly do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Somebody didn't compare Lampard to Pirlo did they? Pirlo is different class to Lampard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Me and few other thinks Lampard contributes more. 'Technically' Pirlo's better, but Lampard's been the better player overall for me. Last word on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Me and few other thinks Lampard contributes more. 'Technically' Pirlo's better, but Lampard's been the better player overall for me. Last word on it. Incidentally Steven Gerrard has 9 fewer assists in 200 odd fewer games. And I'd wager fewer of Stevie G's have come from wayward or deflected 30 yard pot shots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Somebody didn't compare Lampard to Pirlo did they? Pirlo is different class to Lampard. For once we have a subject we can agree on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Lampard wouldn't get into those AC sides nor the current Juve side right now. Aye... who would want a 20 goals a season something midfielder who also happens to create a s*** load of goals too. Much rather have someone who scores next to no goals but can spray da baal aboot like a boss man innit! he doesn't have the legs to be in the current Juve side. Marchisio & Vidal are better all-round players and both know where the net is. Between them they'll have scored something like 25 goals last season. Now the AC side let's talk prime Lampard... he may have taken Seedorf's place. But with Kaka in that side... I don't see him scoring as many goals. Also you have to consider he wouldn't take penalties in that side either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Somebody didn't compare Lampard to Pirlo did they? Pirlo is different class to Lampard. For once we have a subject we can agree on. We've literally agreed on everything but the club I support. Haven't you noticed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Lampard wouldn't get into those AC sides nor the current Juve side right now. Aye... who would want a 20 goals a season something midfielder who also happens to create a s*** load of goals too. Much rather have someone who scores next to no goals but can spray da baal aboot like a boss man innit! he doesn't have the legs to be in the current Juve side. Marchisio & Vidal are better all-round players and both know where the net is. Between them they'll have scored something like 25 goals last season. Now the AC side let's talk prime Lampard... he may have taken Seedorf's place. But with Kaka in that side... I don't see him scoring as many goals. Also you have to consider he wouldn't take penalties in that side either. I don't think he would have taken Seedorf's place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I don't think he would have taken anybodies midfield position in that Milan side. Seedorf, Kaka, Pirlo and Gattuso. Phenomenal side that was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 I don't think he would have taken anybodies midfield position in that Milan side. Seedorf, Kaka, Pirlo and Gattuso. Phenomenal side that was. Possibly the highest quality midfield of my lifetime TBH, so it's quite a high bar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Gattuso lets it down a bit, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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