Incognito Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Barry is past his peak and when he was at his peak he was found wanting at International level. Why on earth is he even in the discussion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Putting together a few good games doesn't make him worthy of an International recall. Are we just choosing to ignore the utter dross he served up at Man City? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 He's not 'run of the mill' though. He's a good player In a crap league. At International level, at best, he's run of the mill. based on ability alone there's not much better that we offer. If we bring in alternatives, we have to be content if they are comfortably beaten and we take it as a learning curve. There's no one that plays Barry's role that's any better (who isn't definitely going). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Always thought Henderson would come good.... he was written off far too early because he was signed at a bad time. Loads of energy, good technique, can strike a ball, everything he needs as he gains experience. Totally agree with his, his vision and execution for the pass is what has most impressed me this season. That flick for Sturridge last week was top draw stuff. Full of confidence and in the form of his career. At 23 surely this is the way we should be looking at things, not a 32 year old who has recently got his career back on track. It's competitive for a spot as a winger in the squad from now till June as well. None of them have really stamped their ground on a position. Walcott now injured, Townsend out the picture at Spurs, Lallana still in good form, Lennon playing well, Sterling improving game by game, Ox on return from injury, Young back in the Man Utd team and just playing for Man Utd always boosts your credentials a ton fold. There’s not really much between them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 They play thoroughly different roles for their teams so it's a poor comparison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 They play thoroughly different roles for their teams so it's a poor comparison. I'd only take Carrick for that role though? Gerrard/Henderson could both cover for Carrick were he to get injured. Barry shouldn't be recalled and it's pathetic if he does. I can deal with Lampard being taken as i know he was at least once world class and offers a lot of valuable experience and has scored goals at that level even if the team itself has failed. Barry has just mustered up shit on the international stage and like I say, those two goals he gave away against Germany were just simply embarrassing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 At the very highest level Gerrard is poor defensively in that role. He doesn't have the legs and he doesn't have the DM's mindset (as exampled by Villa's counter attack goal). Henderson's never a holding player either. Neither Lampard or Gerrard have ever proven world class for England. Lampard's been to 2 world cups and has never scored a goal. With his legs gone is he going to score now? Once again he's not a DM either. If we are going there to try and control games maybe a Carrik/Gerrard partnership might work. But I doubt it At this rate I truly reckon we will get carved open straight down the middle. IMO I thought our CM's did very well against L'pool and there will be better players England will face in those positios come June. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 You seem to be dismissing everyone. We do have to take players, CD? We all know England's chances are very bleak and options are limited with not much class around but we have to take a group. I'm interested in your pool of midfielders now your sticking up for Barry but dismissing Henderson/Lampard etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Well at least somebody is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 At the very highest level Gerrard is poor defensively in that role. He doesn't have the legs and he doesn't have the DM's mindset (as exampled by Villa's counter attack goal). Henderson's never a holding player either. Neither Lampard or Gerrard have ever proven world class for England. Lampard's been to 2 world cups and has never scored a goal. With his legs gone is he going to score now? Once again he's not a DM either. If we are going there to try and control games maybe a Carrik/Gerrard partnership might work. But I doubt it At this rate I truly reckon we will get carved open straight down the middle. IMO I thought our CM's did very well against L'pool and there will be better players England will face in those positios come June. That's possibly the worst argument I've ever seen on this forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 You seem to be dismissing everyone. We do have to take players, CD? We all know England's chances are very bleak and options are limited with not much class around but we have to take a group. I'm interested in your pool of midfielders now your sticking up for Barry but dismissing Henderson/Lampard etc. I'm not dismissing any of them. But none of them are any great shakes either. That's just my point. I would have retired Gerrard/Lampard/Barry etc. long time. Since we haven't and the younger players don't have much experience, I would just pick the best players in the best form come June. That might mean Barry, that might mean Henderson. The general ability levels for England won't be drastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 You seem to be dismissing everyone. We do have to take players, CD? We all know England's chances are very bleak and options are limited with not much class around but we have to take a group. I'm interested in your pool of midfielders now your sticking up for Barry but dismissing Henderson/Lampard etc. I'm not dismissing any of them. But none of them are any great shakes either. That's just my point. I would have retired Gerrard/Lampard/Barry etc. long time. Since we haven't and the younger players don't have much experience, I would just pick the best players in the best form come June. That might mean Barry, that might mean Henderson. The general ability levels for England won't be drastic. Did you drop out of college whilst studying for a degree in the bleeding obvious? Jesus wept. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 You're not wrong either, christ he's made that hard work as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Yes and Gareth Barry has been as good as anyone. Least alone Frank Lampard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Yes and Gareth Barry has been as good as anyone. Least alone Frank Lampard. I know football is a game of opinion and even as someone who isn't a Lampard fan, I find that preposterous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Yes and Gareth Barry has been as good as anyone. Least alone Frank Lampard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Lampard looked every bit the 35 year old when we beat them. I think finally his engine is beginning to seriously wane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 This is hard work to read. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Lampard looked every bit the 35 year old when we beat them. I think finally his engine is beginning to seriously wane. That's twice you've voiced your opinion of a player by how they've fared against us. Ludicrous argument honestly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 He hasn't impressed whenever I've seen him. In the big matches David Luiz is getting the nod over him at CM. And they've just bought someone to play in his position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 David Luiz doesn't know what he's doing at CM incase anyone says he's good there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhh. Losing battle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 He hasn't impressed whenever I've seen him. In the big matches David Luiz is getting the nod over him at CM. And they've just bought someone to play in his position. It helps when a club can actively seek someone from around the world to replace their 35 year old midfielder. Roy Hodgson unfortunately only has a selected pool of players to choose from in which Lampard is still high on the list, and rightly so as even at 35, he's still better than the majority. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 He hasn't impressed whenever I've seen him. In the big matches David Luiz is getting the nod over him at CM. And they've just bought someone to play in his position. It helps when a club can actively seek someone from around the world to replace their 35 year old midfielder. Roy Hodgson unfortunately only has a selected pool of players to choose from in which Lampard is still high on the list, and rightly so as even at 35, he's still better than the majority. He still provides a goal threat even at 35. Im not a fan of his but at least he offers the team something. Barry offers minimal and even at his peak offered little more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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