chicago_shearer Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Xenophobia, man. Do one. There's absolutely no xenophobia in saying that the manager should be the same nationality as the players (not that I particularly agree with that) or that a German coach wouldn't work as manager of England. The idea that the national manager should be the same nationality as the team is not xenophobic at all. "Except a German" is a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 In a perfect world the best man for the job would be English, that's always been my preference. Unfortunately there's a dearth of quality English managers, even good ones are hard to find. Given this unfortunate situation then looking elsewhere/abroad is pretty much inevitable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 It would just inflame an ailing connection between the national team and the media and fans. It would inevitably end badly setting the team back further and risk hurting the interest of potential appointments. Not to mention the fact there's a pool of good managers out there who'd want the job, far more proven and suitable than Klopp or any other German. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Hopefully QPR will perform terribly next season, or we'll see the media campaign to get Harry installed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Thankfully that ship has sailed. He'll be 71 by the next WC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Genuinely curious, why does the nationality of the manager matter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I'm not sure it does, mind Capello had obvious communication issues as his English was pretty poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 For similar reasons to why the nationality of the players do. Arseholes like Shola Ameobi and Diego Costa muddying the waters not withstanding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 For similar reasons to why the nationality of the players do. Arseholes like Shola Ameobi and Diego Costa muddying the waters not withstanding. Don't think it matters, tbh. Eligible is eligible. I'm not sure it does, mind Capello had obvious communication issues as his English was pretty poor. Yeah I mean I get if the guy can't speak the language and makes no attempt to learn. That's one thing. But if a good manager from wherever stepped up and wanted to manage England, disqualifying him because he's not English is odd. I've forgotten that Klinsmann is German, tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I'm sure Santoon lives in a cave with leccy and wifi, like. Decent enough footballing knowledge but zero comprehension of the human variables that surround the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Not now. At very least there has to be a link to English football. An understanding of English players, the media and footballing culture. Benitez and Ancelotti have both said they'd like the job at some point. There's no need to start looking at unproven appointments that would never be accepted anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 It would just inflame an ailing connection between the national team and the media and fans. It would inevitably end badly setting the team back further and risk hurting the interest of potential appointments. Not to mention the fact there's a pool of good managers out there who'd want the job, far more proven and suitable than Klopp or any other German. No it wouldn't. As long as results and performance were good , this country would get behind anyone. Except the Neanderthal East End type xenophobes who you do see at England games. The ones that wax lyrical about Bomber Harris and not surrendering to the IRA. And their opinion counts for nowt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicago_shearer Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 For similar reasons to why the nationality of the players do. Arseholes like Shola Ameobi and Diego Costa muddying the waters not withstanding. Don't think it matters, tbh. Eligible is eligible. I'm not sure it does, mind Capello had obvious communication issues as his English was pretty poor. Yeah I mean I get if the guy can't speak the language and makes no attempt to learn. That's one thing. But if a good manager from wherever stepped up and wanted to manage England, disqualifying him because he's not English is odd. I've forgotten that Klinsmann is German, tbh. There's a difference between Klinsmann as US manager and Capello as England manager. Klinsmann was living in California for a long while before taking that job right? His family is being raised there. Capello took the job for the money, with no real attachment to the English game, no intention of learning the language and every intention of leaving when his contract was done. Klinsmann speaks flawless English and has some attachment to football in America. If a long time resident like Wenger wanted to manage England, I'd have no problem with that at all. Feels different when they take the job for a pay day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 It would just inflame an ailing connection between the national team and the media and fans. It would inevitably end badly setting the team back further and risk hurting the interest of potential appointments. Not to mention the fact there's a pool of good managers out there who'd want the job, far more proven and suitable than Klopp or any other German. No it wouldn't. As long as results and performance were good , this country would get behind anyone. Except the Neanderthal East End type xenophobes who you do see at England games. The ones that wax lyrical about Bomber Harris and not surrendering to the IRA. And their opinion counts for nowt. The media would have the swords ready at every slip. They rightly wouldn't accept someone unproven in any case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Spain, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, France - none of these countries would entertain the idea of a foreign coach, and none have had one for a very long time. I don't think England should be any different in that approach personally, given our resources and the strength of our domestic competition. Doing otherwise is a tacit acceptance that our coaching isn't good enough, not something I'd want to be doing ideally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 The real issue is why we have to look abroad any-case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27960776 I feel he said that Gerrard is a selfish c*** but in a very polite way. Not really, he said Gerrard is not a defensively intelligent footballer. His best performances for L'pool under Benitez imo came in a free role of sorts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Spain, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, France - none of these countries would entertain the idea of a foreign coach, and none have had one for a very long time. I don't think England should be any different in that approach personally, given our resources and the strength of our domestic competition. Doing otherwise is a tacit acceptance that our coaching isn't good enough, not something I'd want to be doing ideally. But...the strength of your domestic competition is built almost entirely by foreign players and managers, isn't it? Rooney is probably still the best English player and everyone just spent a week calling him an overrated asshole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 The real issue is why we have to look abroad any-case. If the likes of Pardle and Allardyce get linked then you have your answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I hate to say it but I think Redknapp would have got more out of this crop of players than Hodgson has. It would have been a lot more odious but Harry had Spurs playing some decent attacking football at times Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Who are best English club managers atm? Hughes, Pulis and Bruce? Speaks volumes that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Who are best English club managers atm? Hughes, Pulis and Bruce? Speaks volumes that. Well two are Welsh for starters Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Who are best English club managers atm? Hughes, Pulis and Bruce? Speaks volumes that. And two of them aren't English. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Hughes is Welsh Edit: And surprisingly so it Pulis. He doesn't sound it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 English managers are either gobby chancers or dull as dishwater. The likes of Big Sam, Harry and Pardew would be conning old ladies out their life savings if they didn't have a career in football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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