Segun Oluwaniyi Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Do the players in your team play for clubs that play in a "typical Premier league" style? The league in general, but especially the top clubs, have become more similar to their continental brethren since 2000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 The thing is though, that frenzied style doesn't really work internationally, when most teams do a much better job of keeping possession, and so the game just isn't as open like it is in the premier league, where possession changes sides quite regularly against most of the teams outside of the top 4. Secondly, most international teams will just sit deep and challenge you to break them down with good passing and movement, which is what Chile did last week. And so it is difficult to try to get in behind them, or run at them etc. This is the issue England faces I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Do the players in your team play for clubs that play in a "typical Premier league" style? The league in general, but especially the top clubs, have become more similar to their continental brethren since 2000. Not really. English teams have become "more technical" but the game at the highest level still tends to be considerably faster, direct and strong than on the continent. If you look at the Golden Era of British teams in the CL especially Benitez L'pool, Chelsea & Man Utd. the teams where very strong, very quick, great on the backfoot/counter, relatively direct. Of course there where great technically too but they took full advantage of the English style Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I don't think the English clubs are simply good enough.. technically or otherwise to pull off how Man Utd, Chelsea, Benitez L'pool played. Our versions of Mascherano, Drogba, Tevez, Ronaldo, Alonso even Ivanovic are steps behind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Secondly, most international teams will just sit deep and challenge you to break them down with good passing and movement, which is what Chile did last week. And so it is difficult to try to get in behind them, or run at them etc. was inferring the same thing when discussing townsend, but got slated for it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Secondly, most international teams will just sit deep and challenge you to break them down with good passing and movement, which is what Chile did last week. And so it is difficult to try to get in behind them, or run at them etc. was inferring the same thing when discussing townsend, but got slated for it Because you were talking tripe son. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Son? Bonkers how little some people know about football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I think England really need to have a think about how to produce better international quality players. It's too easy to say, they need to just do their own thing, and forget everyone else. The fact is that it's not going to lead to the results they want. The approach just doesn't work at that level. It's not even a case of trying to play like Spain, Germany or Brazil either. It's just about improving the passing and ability to keep possession, to a decent standard, as the standard is currently way too low. England really struggle to keep possession long enough, in order to work the opposition's defence and eventually create decent openings for their quality players, with the crucial pass or cross. It definitely needs looking at. If Germany could transform their whole approach and setup to the level they did, England should be able to. Doing it to even half of the level Germany did would make a huge difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 the culture in the UK is, and always has been, non-stop running, get rid of the ball as fast as you can anywhere Until we can stop that we ain't going anywhere internationally Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Are you a ghost? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 It's not even a case of trying to play like Spain, Germany or Brazil either. It's just about improving the passing and ability to keep possession, to a decent standard, as the standard is currently way too low. someone gets it then, great to see a person who doesn't think we should play to our strengths of kicking it and running fast as the way to a better future Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 the culture in the UK is, and always has been, non-stop running, get rid of the ball as fast as you can anywhere Until we can stop that we ain't going anywhere internationally It was always seen as the strength of our game. Them English can't control a wet bag of cement but they run and harry all day. I agree and nice to see you back too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 the culture in the UK is, and always has been, non-stop running, get rid of the ball as fast as you can anywhere Until we can stop that we ain't going anywhere internationally Don't think it should be totally stopped. Culture is culture and it will change slowly. It's cold out here, running about loads keeps us warm. We also like to appear to be hard working, grafting, getting stuck in. We need to highlight and focus on imposing our strengths. But we must also improve on our weaknesses. Quick, fast paced football should be paramount to how the national side plays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Rob W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I don't necessarily believe we need to "control" possession. When Man Utd. went to the final those 3 times back to back they hardly played everyone off the pitch in the latter rounds. If I could use a boxing example. We won't ever be the type to dominate the centre of the ring against top opposition, sending the most punches. However, we've all seen PBF control bouts on the backfoot striking with pace and accuracy as the opponent tries to press. But we have to be "good enough" at whatever we do fundamentally to make it work. Ball control, movement, intelligence, technique. Whatever style we can try and approach. At the moment we just aren't good enough footballers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Yeah, let's go all Fat Sam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I don't necessarily believe we need to "control" possession. Agreed. However, being able to pass it well enough to create opportunities is something England need to be bale to do far more consistently. So many possessions end up with that hopeful long ball that ends up going through to the keeper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I don't necessarily believe we need to "control" possession. Agreed. However, being able to pass it well enough to create opportunities is something England need to be bale to do far more consistently. So many possessions end up with that hopeful long ball that ends up going through to the keeper. Generally, England sides have been able to score goals. in the 90's we had some great finishers and decent creativity. Our general movement is pretty poor and static however. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 take this out of the other clubs transfers thread, the discussion about barkley making the WC (i'd have him in the team) who could hodgson take that would not necessarily be an "established" name to try and build for the future? fill in the blanks... GK DF MF barkley morrison FW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Lallana has really impressed me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 aye he's a decent one, rodriguez certainly looks like he's maybe worth a roll of the dice slim pickens up front and at the back though eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Lallana has really impressed me. Same, definitely deserves to go imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Hope Lallana gets into the final squad as well. He's got a lovely knack of finding space which is someting that's a great asset to have at the top level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 I was about to stand up and applaud the goal he almost scored against us on Sunday. Would've been fucking outrageous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 was lallana not the player pardew was rumoured to be after when he got here and everyone was horrified? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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