Rich Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Aye, more-or-less. Was thinking more Carr than Pardew though. It seems to me like they've put the scouting system in place as a club, rather than just having it on the behest of the manager (as it has been in the past). Obviously Pards has input somewhere along the line, you'd think, but I'm not convinced it's too great when it comes to recruitment/negotiations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Aye. No surprise a lot of the targets are ones we've been linked to previously. It's almost as though Carr is a DoF rather than a scout just not labelled so as so not to piss of the majority after the Wise shenanigans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I've always said I prefer the DOF/First team coach set-up to the manager runs all idea. The problem is when you have the wrong people or when the DOF and scouting set-up has too much say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Aye. No surprise a lot of the targets are ones we've been linked to previously. It's almost as though Carr is a DoF rather than a scout just not labelled so as so not to piss of the majority after the Wise shenanigans. He's definitely got more of a public profile/reputation than any other scout I've seen here and any I've noticed elsewhere (although naturally I don't really read the other local rags from around the country). We do seem very heavily-reliant upon him, but he must know his stuff when it comes to judging a player. He was literally Man City's only full-time (only employed, actually, although I'm sure they would have had people helping out) scout before the big takeover happened, as mental as that seems, even through the Shinawatra time of Elano/Geovanni and others. Not quite sure why they got rid/he decided to go considering the finance that department now has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 We should be setting up a scouting network that goes far and wide. Udinese spend an absolute fortune on theirs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Guess value for money isn't really an issue for City and judging by signings since the City's arab spring they seem to have been totally manager driven so maybe they've binned scouting aside from on a youth level because they can afford to make (lots of) mistakes. As daft as that idea would be. With regard to your point Sewelly IMO we should be looking for regional link ups with clubs like Spurs have with Internacional etc. Can't do any harm for the relative low amount it would cost. E.g. Spurs would have paid for that many times over if they decided to sell Sandro this summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Guess value for money isn't really an issue for City and judging by signings since the City's arab spring they seem to have been totally manager driven so maybe they've binned scouting aside from on a youth level because they can afford to make (lots of) mistakes. As daft as that idea would be. They haven't. Their scouting/support staff is quite possibly the best in the world these days. They've invested a fortune into sports science/analysis/scouting. It's all digital now, I believe, even down to the scouting, and they have their own servers and everything where stuff is kept (footage of games at all their levels/footage of targets). They are certainly the most advanced in England now, or at least on a par with Man Utd (who are a lot more old school/cloak and dagger about their set-up) in terms of the pure number of support staff they employ. A lot of clubs still do the basic pen/paper scouting, where they'll go and watch and make notes during the game and it'll get passed to the manager and then binned if the move doesn't come off. I think City's do everything on software programs and feed it into a central database of information. They're pretty revolutionary on that front. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Guess value for money isn't really an issue for City and judging by signings since the City's arab spring they seem to have been totally manager driven so maybe they've binned scouting aside from on a youth level because they can afford to make (lots of) mistakes. As daft as that idea would be. They haven't. Their scouting/support staff is quite possibly the best in the world these days. They've invested a fortune into sports science/analysis/scouting. It's all digital now, I believe, even down to the scouting, and they have their own servers and everything where stuff is kept (footage of games at all their levels/footage of targets). They are certainly the most advanced in England now, or at least on a par with Man Utd (who are a lot more old school/cloak and dagger about their set-up). A lot of clubs still do the basic pen/paper scouting, where they'll go and watch and make notes during the game and it'll get passed to the manager and then binned if the move doesn't come off. I think City's do everything on software programs and feed it into a central database of information. They're pretty revolutionary on that front. Seems like a massive waste really when they have a blank cheque book to simply buy ready-made stars.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Guess value for money isn't really an issue for City and judging by signings since the City's arab spring they seem to have been totally manager driven so maybe they've binned scouting aside from on a youth level because they can afford to make (lots of) mistakes. As daft as that idea would be. They haven't. Their scouting/support staff is quite possibly the best in the world these days. They've invested a fortune into sports science/analysis/scouting. It's all digital now, I believe, even down to the scouting, and they have their own servers and everything where stuff is kept (footage of games at all their levels/footage of targets). They are certainly the most advanced in England now, or at least on a par with Man Utd (who are a lot more old school/cloak and dagger about their set-up). A lot of clubs still do the basic pen/paper scouting, where they'll go and watch and make notes during the game and it'll get passed to the manager and then binned if the move doesn't come off. I think City's do everything on software programs and feed it into a central database of information. They're pretty revolutionary on that front. didn't know that. You wouldn't know it judging by their signings like, maybe it will become more apparent when these new rules kick in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 They've got money to burn though, so they might as well I suppose. Like Disco alluded to, it's main use will really be for targeting up-and-coming players as they know that the day will come when they need to start being self-sustained. It's more about just building up the overall knowledge base of world football, I think, and bringing it in-house so they don't need to rely on any external companies for stuff. What they are doing could potentially change the way the whole scouting/analysis side of things works the world over if it proves to be a successful model. It's never really been done before anywhere else. Obviously it'll take other clubs (even clubs our size) a while to catch-up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Definitely seems like a system that makes sense to my untrained eye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Club need to fine Barton. He's an absolute idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 he's a right knacker, posts absolute rubbish and the sooner he goes the better. (i'll post what i think about barton later !) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 He is on Talksport sometime from 10 this morning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 He is on Talksport sometime from 10 this morning On in the next 5 minutes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Gonna be a dad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Aye, wants stability for his bairn. What a cunt, sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest axel Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 He's gonna be a father Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 The odd silly moment aside, I think it's quite commendable how well he's turned his life around really. On and off the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Aye, wants stability for his bairn. What a c***, sell. stability ? pile of s**** really. find out where you want to bring your kid up, contact the nearest prem club and adjust your wage demands to get the move. i'm fairly sure even if he packed in tomorrow he'd ever have to work again . who on here wouldn't take their kid to a new school every 2 or 3 years if they were to get 30kpw for it ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie_b Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 wont be leaving unless for the Champions League Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Boy Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Joey on Talksport "On the whole last season was good to be back. Had a good season last season and hopefully we can kick on. The current group of players so hungry to do it, just think what it would be like to bring a trophy back to that city, it would be mind blowing really." On Nolan "Real good friend of mine beyond football. For me it is quite disappointing. No one player will ever define a football club. To lose Kevin in the dressing room is disappointing but you have to believe in the process and that the gaffer is going to bring in a better player." "The better players you play with the better you should be able to play yourself. I have no problems with players leaving if better ones come in." "Sometimes players don't want to go, I've been on record as saying I don't want to go." On his negotiations "I was in negotiations in Januray with them, I have to be careful what I say, I decided I wanted a bit of longevity with the club, partner is pregnant with first child, I wanted a four year contract to stay in the area. After a bit of stability, money never an issue but we never reached a compromise, became quite frustrating in the end. Carroll had just left and I put it on hold till the summer. When we went back in to negotiate, I wasn't there, received a phone call saying not even been offered 1p a week. Newcastle dont think I can play past 29 so if I have to go and ply my trade elsewhere I am more than confident I can do that for 5 or six years. So I need to play my best this next season and try and win a trophy." Does he think he will be there at the start of the coming season? "It is was it is. I would be very surprised, I have had a number of phonecalls of interest, I don't want to leave, family are settled, great relationship with club staff. I have no ambition to leave but if someone come in, like offering CL football I would have to consider it. Otherwise it is a no brainer, I won't be leaving the club and I am looking forward to going back for pre season training." Overall came across as very supportive of the club. Seems his text yesterday was likely a spur of the moment thing, possibly after a few drinks at Ascot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie_b Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Joey on Talksport Overall came across as very supportive of the club. Seems his text yesterday was likely a spur of the moment thing, possibly after a few drinks at Ascot. He doesnt drink Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 i'd like to know more about the phonecalls of interest. wonder if the club knew about them ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Aye, wants stability for his bairn. What a c***, sell. stability ? pile of shite really. find out where you want to bring your kid up, contact the nearest prem club and adjust your wage demands to get the move. i'm fairly sure even if he packed in tomorrow he'd ever have to work again . who on hear wouldn't take their kid to a new school every 2 or 3 years if they were to get 30kpw for it ? what are you on about? find out where you want to bring your kid up? you have to live in areas to get a feel for them. money doesn't equal stability, i'm pretty sure michael jackson, britney spears, whitney houston, mickey rourke etc can vouch for that. and whether anyone would move their children around for money or not doesn't necessarily mean it's the best thing for a kid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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