AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 We've already signed three midfielders though, I don't think we should slam the club for not "replacing" Barton. Everyone who leaves doesn't have to be followed immediately by someone coming in to "replace" them. Ridiculous. Seriously Ian, this is getting pathetic. Can you please jog on? At the same time as saying this I'm in the Enrique thread criticising the club if they don't get a replacement, and in this thread I've qualified it by saying I admit the squad could be better. I just think we have bigger priorities than another midfielder, although one would be nice. There's absolutely no need to be such a dick about it man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 We've already signed three midfielders though, I don't think we should slam the club for not "replacing" Barton. Everyone who leaves doesn't have to be followed immediately by someone coming in to "replace" them. Really? We won't need to replace one of our best players? Getting yourself set for this one good and early, mate. Sometimes you "need a replacement", like in the case of Enrique. Sometimes you would like someone in that position to give more depth. What if we'd got rid of Barton and then signed Cabaye, Marveaux and Abeid? Seems more about timing to me. Who's our RW then? Routledge - off Barton - imminent Leaves us with Raylor. Someone will say Guti just because he's right footed. Truth is, he plays on the left for a reason. Still, if you think the sqaud is fine i guess we'll wait and see if you're right. I never said the squad was "fine". I know we lack options on the right, I've said before that I think we shouldn't have let Routledge go. You pre-dismissed the suggestion that Gutierrez will play there, so I guess I shouldn't say that. Well, no one else seems to play him there and i'm thinking there's a reason for that. He works the LW position because he can cut inside and force the RB to think about tackling him with his weaker foot. Clearly that won't work as well against a LB. I'm convinced you know this. Think you're just scrabbling around trying to think of a a positive. Fair play i suppose. My emotional outlook is just different to yours (currently). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 We've already signed three midfielders though, I don't think we should slam the club for not "replacing" Barton. Everyone who leaves doesn't have to be followed immediately by someone coming in to "replace" them. Ridiculous. Seriously Ian, this is getting pathetic. Can you please jog on? At the same time as saying this I'm in the Enrique thread criticising the club if they don't get a replacement, and in this thread I've qualified it by saying I admit the squad could be better. I just think we have bigger priorities than another midfielder, although one would be nice. There's absolutely no need to be such a dick about it man. There shouldn't be any prioritizing problems. When we rid of our best players(, and have money in the bank), we sure as hell have to replace them. That's not even ambition, that's just staying put. Ashley has said 10th is a minimum this season - that's not happening if we keep on selling/giving our best players away, and not replacing them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Hope Barton is getting some sort of compensation from Sky Sports News, he's basically provided them with non-stop BREAKING NEWS over the last 2 days. May as well just have a live feed to his twitter account. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Hope Barton is getting some sort of compensation from Sky Sports News, he's basically provided them with non-stop BREAKING NEWS over the last 2 days. May as well just have a live feed to his twitter account. "We're live to David Craig." "Well, we seen Joey Barton arrive at training this morning, he was on his phone." Yeah I know you moron, I'm watching the same pictures you are. Hate that bloke with a passion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Our best right sided option involves BenArfa and Marveaux on the wings swapping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikri Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 We've already signed three midfielders though, I don't think we should slam the club for not "replacing" Barton. Everyone who leaves doesn't have to be followed immediately by someone coming in to "replace" them. With a wafer thin squad like ours you need decent players. I can see where you're coming from as, we could easily line up with Cabaye and Tiote in the middle and a choice of Gosling, Marveaux and Jonas on the flanks - but two of the three are injury prone and Barton played the majority of the games last season. He's our best provider of goal scoring chances as well. We're not really wafer thin on numbers, but definitely on quality. By my count, at the moment we have 23 players aged over 21 who would need to be registered as the squad for the coming season. Assuming that we're keeping a spot free for a striker and want to leave a spot available for Kuqi-type freebies in case of an emergency then we can't really sign any additional players until we move some on as they won't want to have unregistered players at the club, some of whom are earning massive amounts of cash. We still have too many mediocre players earning too much money, I don't begrudge paying players like Barton or Enrique a decent wage as they've proved their worth on the pitch (though Barton only managed it last season) but players like Smith, Xisco and Raylor are probably being paid 10 times what they deserve based on their performances for us, but thanks to their age and wages they'll almost certainly be registered in the squad if they're at the club come September. We won't take the risk of signing replacements for Barton or Enrique until they've actually left the club just in case they don't leave and need to be registered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NewBoyPeetah Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 If we'd let Barton go before we'd signed Marveaux and Cabaye would people still be saying we hadn't signed a replacement? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 If we'd let Barton go before we'd signed Marveaux and Cabaye would people still be saying we hadn't signed a replacement? Yes, you do know what position Barton plays for us don't you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 To say we don't need to replace him is ludicrous in the extreme. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 If we'd let Barton go before we'd signed Marveaux and Cabaye would people still be saying we hadn't signed a replacement? Midfield in : Marveaux Cabaye Midfield out : Barton Nolan Routledge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 ashley doesnt want to pay for a squad good enough to have decent 1st team cover = we dont need decent first team cover ashley doesnt want to pay carroll the wages he's worth and would rather cash in = he's not worth those wages and we're better off with the money anyway ashley doesnt want to invest to put the club into a position where we can keep a hold of our better players = enrique was always leaving anyway and it wouldnt make any difference what we do ashley wants to get rid of barton from the wage bill = barton's poison anyway and he wouldnt get in the first team IT'S OK EVERYONE, EVERYTHING IS FINE AND GOING EXACTLY TO PLAN, GO BACK TO SLEEP EVERYONE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 If we'd let Barton go before we'd signed Marveaux and Cabaye would people still be saying we hadn't signed a replacement? I'd be saying we needed strengthening before we sold two of our most influential players, so claiming the two we brought in were their 'replacements' is disingenuous. It would certainly make it easier to pull the wool over some peope's eyes though. It's like people saying "It's OK, we've replaced Carroll with Ba" forgetting we went into the January window looking for a striker before we even sold Carroll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 If we'd let Barton go before we'd signed Marveaux and Cabaye would people still be saying we hadn't signed a replacement? Midfield in : Marveaux Cabaye Midfield out : Barton Nolan Routledge Are we just disregarding Abeid? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportnet Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 If we'd let Barton go before we'd signed Marveaux and Cabaye would people still be saying we hadn't signed a replacement? Midfield in : Marveaux Cabaye Midfield out : Barton Nolan Routledge Are we just disregarding Abeid? and we have to add Gosling and Arfa to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NewBoyPeetah Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 If we'd let Barton go before we'd signed Marveaux and Cabaye would people still be saying we hadn't signed a replacement? Yes, you do know what position Barton plays for us don't you? Er aye, the right side of midfield. I'm sure Ben Arfa, Jonas and Marveaux could all play on the right side. Routledge gone is no big loss seaming as we were never going to play him and he's not goof enough for the Prem. He is a loss in terms of numbers but nothing else. I'm sad to see the back of Nolan but I'm sure with Cabaye and Ben Arfa we have cover for the "hole" Nolan spent most of his time in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 If we'd let Barton go before we'd signed Marveaux and Cabaye would people still be saying we hadn't signed a replacement? Yes, you do know what position Barton plays for us don't you? Er aye, the right side of midfield. I'm sure Ben Arfa, Jonas and Marveaux could all play on the right side. Routledge gone is no big loss seaming as we were never going to play him and he's not goof enough for the Prem. He is a loss in terms of numbers but nothing else. I'm sad to see the back of Nolan but I'm sure with Cabaye and Ben Arfa we have cover for the "hole" Nolan spent most of his time in. Im sure they all could play there, im sure we could play any player there wether or not they are any good is a different question. Going into the season with no proven right midfielder is suicidal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Joey is on a train at the moment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShearMagic Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 If we'd let Barton go before we'd signed Marveaux and Cabaye would people still be saying we hadn't signed a replacement? Yes, you do know what position Barton plays for us don't you? Er aye, the right side of midfield. I'm sure Ben Arfa, Jonas and Marveaux could all play on the right side. Routledge gone is no big loss seaming as we were never going to play him and he's not goof enough for the Prem. He is a loss in terms of numbers but nothing else. I'm sad to see the back of Nolan but I'm sure with Cabaye and Ben Arfa we have cover for the "hole" Nolan spent most of his time in. Im sure they all could play there, im sure we could play any player there wether or not they are any good is a different question. Going into the season with no proven right midfielder is suicidal. I forgot the season starts tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 If we'd let Barton go before we'd signed Marveaux and Cabaye would people still be saying we hadn't signed a replacement? Yes, you do know what position Barton plays for us don't you? Er aye, the right side of midfield. I'm sure Ben Arfa, Jonas and Marveaux could all play on the right side. Routledge gone is no big loss seaming as we were never going to play him and he's not goof enough for the Prem. He is a loss in terms of numbers but nothing else. I'm sad to see the back of Nolan but I'm sure with Cabaye and Ben Arfa we have cover for the "hole" Nolan spent most of his time in. Im sure they all could play there, im sure we could play any player there wether or not they are any good is a different question. Going into the season with no proven right midfielder is suicidal. I forgot the season starts tomorrow. Yeah that is what i said. We are talking about people thinking we don't need to replace Barton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 If we'd let Barton go before we'd signed Marveaux and Cabaye would people still be saying we hadn't signed a replacement? Yes, you do know what position Barton plays for us don't you? Er aye, the right side of midfield. I'm sure Ben Arfa, Jonas and Marveaux could all play on the right side. Routledge gone is no big loss seaming as we were never going to play him and he's not goof enough for the Prem. He is a loss in terms of numbers but nothing else. I'm sad to see the back of Nolan but I'm sure with Cabaye and Ben Arfa we have cover for the "hole" Nolan spent most of his time in. Im sure they all could play there, im sure we could play any player there wether or not they are any good is a different question. Going into the season with no proven right midfielder is suicidal. We did exactly that last season. We have players on the books this season who are more proven as right midfielders than Barton was at the start of last season. I'm not saying we don't need a replacement if Barton goes, because I think we do. But that statement is just stupid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 If we'd let Barton go before we'd signed Marveaux and Cabaye would people still be saying we hadn't signed a replacement? Yes, you do know what position Barton plays for us don't you? Er aye, the right side of midfield. I'm sure Ben Arfa, Jonas and Marveaux could all play on the right side. Routledge gone is no big loss seaming as we were never going to play him and he's not goof enough for the Prem. He is a loss in terms of numbers but nothing else. I'm sad to see the back of Nolan but I'm sure with Cabaye and Ben Arfa we have cover for the "hole" Nolan spent most of his time in. Im sure they all could play there, im sure we could play any player there wether or not they are any good is a different question. Going into the season with no proven right midfielder is suicidal. We did exactly that last season. We have players on the books this season who are more proven as right midfielders than Barton was at the start of last season. I'm not saying we don't need a replacement if Barton goes, because I think we do. But that statement is just stupid. No we went in last season as Routledge as our first choice winger. We stumbled upon Barton out there, and he was brilliant from there on in. But we actually started with an out and out winger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Ohhh so Marveaux the guy coming off an injury, who played very few games last season & is said to be behind everyone else in terms of fitness in pre season because of that, who is also completely untested in a league which many good players dont make it in, is the guy replacing Barton one of our best players last season Thank fuck for that. Lucky we didnt just get Marv on the basis that he might have the potential to be very good & we had someone like Barton/Jonas/an actual squad who could step in still if he and the other new lads dont step up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Marveaux, Jonas and Ben Arfa (lesser extent) are all wingers, aren't they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NewBoyPeetah Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Very clever SuperToon. You know fine well that I meant they could play there well, it's not as if I was suggesting playing Krul there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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