AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was talking about this with my mackem mate the other night, he basically says he's given up on football because it's impossible for clubs like ours to progress. I'm still not sure I believe that entirely, and we'll see the effect of financial fair play, but it doesn't look rosy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 If Barton didn't have a lot of previous there'd be a ton of clubs going for him. Clubs are staying away because of his reputation and they're afraid he'll unsettle things, not because of his ability as a player. No top club would go near him, man, and it's nothing to do with his repuation. I don't understand how people can watch the likes of Man United play the other night, or Arsenal and Spurs at their best and think he could fit into their midfields. He'd be a fish out of water, man. I'm surprised somebody like Stoke or another mid-table club hasn't put the cash up for him, mind. I think that may be the simple reason, asking for too much cash. It was obvious when this first blew up Bartons agent was expecting clubs to be tripping over each other to get him for free competing with each other in an auction type situation where Barton gets a fabulous deal, instead the big clubs no interest, not good enough for them. And Mid table? He's on a big salary here and its reasonable to think he may want an increase so if he's on 50-60k a week here (conservatively thinking) then would a Stoke etc really pay him over 60k a week? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 tink this is accurate..... `I think Barton is a decent player who's ability level is exaggerated by many on here and also by himself. It speaks volumes that the only club that has come in for him is QPR. He's not the quickest, can't really dribble, his short passing game and composure on the ball when in the middle of the park is actually very poor. I like him as a character and as a player, but really his performances over the last year have come by playing him in a position that utilised the qualities he does have to the maximum. As much as some on here seem set on playing him there, he's NOT a good central midfielder. He's not versatile and he's not a dynamic footballer, which is why I found his agent, those on here and the media spouting off about how he will go to a top 7 team quite bizarre.` suprising as it was posted by a gobshite. However if obertan was his replacement then i am very underwhelmed. Barnetta plz. Learn to qoute man! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was talking about this with my mackem mate the other night, he basically says he's given up on football because it's impossible for clubs like ours to progress. I'm still not sure I believe that entirely, and we'll see the effect of financial fair play, but it doesn't look rosy. Financial fair play with man city's £400m sponsorship deal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was talking about this with my mackem mate the other night, he basically says he's given up on football because it's impossible for clubs like ours to progress. I'm still not sure I believe that entirely, and we'll see the effect of financial fair play, but it doesn't look rosy. IMO I don't really mind. For me Newcastle has always been like this and I'll enjoy every matchday as it comes without particularly worrying about where we finish at the end of the season. As long as we don't get relegated it's fine and if we do better than expected that's a nice bonus. Couldn't care less who actually wins the title, or about the entire Champions League for that matter. Might as well be a completely different sport. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 tink this is accurate..... `I think Barton is a decent player who's ability level is exaggerated by many on here and also by himself. It speaks volumes that the only club that has come in for him is QPR. He's not the quickest, can't really dribble, his short passing game and composure on the ball when in the middle of the park is actually very poor. I like him as a character and as a player, but really his performances over the last year have come by playing him in a position that utilised the qualities he does have to the maximum. As much as some on here seem set on playing him there, he's NOT a good central midfielder. He's not versatile and he's not a dynamic footballer, which is why I found his agent, those on here and the media spouting off about how he will go to a top 7 team quite bizarre.` suprising as it was posted by a gobshite. That one been bubbling up inside? How am I a gobshite? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I'm not overly concerned with the clubs desire not to offer him a new deal, but to give him away is just naive. He plays a part in this team with good crossing and committed performances. He's no world beater and in time I can see Cabaye being twice the player of Barton. In many ways I think one year suits us well, keep him in there to keep the team spirit high while bedding in the new players, then at the end of the year we offer him a lower deal or he choses to leave and we replace him. I think team spirit might be better once he goes. Not to say he wasn't good previously in that aspect, but the changes to the squad have clearly rankled him and it might be better to build a team spirit around different characters who don't have as much animosity to their employers. Were you watching the scenes at SOL Saturday? Barton is a key player in the dressing room. I can't see any of his teammates celebrating him going. Yes he causes trouble on the pitch, but often in a backwards way that can bond a squad more than you would think. Obviously those incidents have stopped bigger clubs coming in for him, on top of the fact he's not as wonderful as he perceives. Right now he's in a similar position to his good friend Nolan. He can either stay and try to earn a contract (all be it on much lower wages) and enjoy his football, or he can drop down the league for more money and a longer deal. That's not disrespectful to QPR, they will be in a relegation battle this year and I think that's exactly where he doesn't want to be. If he has any sense he'll reject any offer they make because this season we actually have some quality in the middle of the park, it's not just Tiote. With Cabaye, Marveaux and players like that I expect us to actually start playing the ball around with a much more cultured approach. I think he'd compliment that well with his unique style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was talking about this with my mackem mate the other night, he basically says he's given up on football because it's impossible for clubs like ours to progress. I'm still not sure I believe that entirely, and we'll see the effect of financial fair play, but it doesn't look rosy. Selling players like Andy Carroll doesn't help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 tink this is accurate..... `I think Barton is a decent player who's ability level is exaggerated by many on here and also by himself. It speaks volumes that the only club that has come in for him is QPR. He's not the quickest, can't really dribble, his short passing game and composure on the ball when in the middle of the park is actually very poor. I like him as a character and as a player, but really his performances over the last year have come by playing him in a position that utilised the qualities he does have to the maximum. As much as some on here seem set on playing him there, he's NOT a good central midfielder. He's not versatile and he's not a dynamic footballer, which is why I found his agent, those on here and the media spouting off about how he will go to a top 7 team quite bizarre.` suprising as it was posted by a gobshite. However if obertan was his replacement then i am very underwhelmed. Barnetta plz. Barton has got brilliant technical ability but he lets himself down with his mental state on the pitch. When he's not focused or trying too hard his delivery becomes erratic and he tries way too many risky "hollywood" passes, which basically screws the entire team as delivering accurate passes is what he's there for. There's few better midfielders in the Premiership when he's on his game but that doesn't happen with any degree of consistency. I'm not too bothered about losing him, particularly since he seems to be a divisive figure in the dressing room, but I'm more generally concerned with selling any players at all given our chronic inability to actually negotiate transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 If Barton didn't have a lot of previous there'd be a ton of clubs going for him. Clubs are staying away because of his reputation and they're afraid he'll unsettle things, not because of his ability as a player. No top club would go near him, man, and it's nothing to do with his repuation. I don't understand how people can watch the likes of Man United play the other night, or Arsenal and Spurs at their best and think he could fit into their midfields. He'd be a fish out of water, man. I'm surprised somebody like Stoke or another mid-table club hasn't put the cash up for him, mind. He's not top 4 material, no one is saying he is. He's good enough for the likes of Everton, Villa, Bolton etc though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest michaelfoster Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Jonas started here as a RM, so he could replace him on the right. Ba Ben Arfa Marveaux Tiote Cabaye Jonas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Jonas started here as a RM, so he could replace him on the right. Ba Ben Arfa Marveaux Tiote Cabaye Jonas Jonas played on the left on his debut against Man Utd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was talking about this with my mackem mate the other night, he basically says he's given up on football because it's impossible for clubs like ours to progress. I'm still not sure I believe that entirely, and we'll see the effect of financial fair play, but it doesn't look rosy. Selling players like Andy Carroll doesn't help. Indeed not, but not many clubs can turn down that sort of money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppaz Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 It's true: from an ownership standpoint, the benefits of placing a few places higher in the Premiership are disproportionately miniscule compared to the money you'd need to spend to do so. Yip. The big mular for football clubs comes from TV revenue, ticket sales, sponsorship etc. The 500k or so each place is worth in terms of prize money is miniscule in the grander scheme of things. It's something that I honestly think is going to happen with every club in the league pretty much. Man United, Liverpool, City and Chelsea have the funding to splash big, Arsenal and Spurs are ran well enough as businesses to cling onto their tails. Everybody else is set to be stuck behind a glass ceiling that is pointless to try and break through, because it would take an absolute fortune just to get close. Look at Villa for example, they're seemingly cutting their cloth accordingly now. 2 biggest players out for close to £40 million, one replacement in - now McLeish has been told to work with what he's got. The depressing reality is the league is going to be completely split in two from now on and the big money men are heading abroad to purchase clubs where success is easier to buy. Where do you think our TV revenue, ticket sales, sponsorship money etc is going? Maybe trying to get the overdraft down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Sewelly's post on the state of the current league is spot on like, it's fucking depressing as hell to be stuck amongst the shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 http://i53.tinypic.com/x1zwus.jpg on nom nom c**t Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was talking about this with my mackem mate the other night, he basically says he's given up on football because it's impossible for clubs like ours to progress. I'm still not sure I believe that entirely, and we'll see the effect of financial fair play, but it doesn't look rosy. Selling players like Andy Carroll doesn't help. Indeed not, but not many clubs can turn down that sort of money. Besides that, let's not kid ourselves. If Carroll's development didn't stall and he became a top striker, he was never going to be ours for very long anyway and we probably wouldn't have gotten 35m for him if we sold him later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was talking about this with my mackem mate the other night, he basically says he's given up on football because it's impossible for clubs like ours to progress. I'm still not sure I believe that entirely, and we'll see the effect of financial fair play, but it doesn't look rosy. IMO I don't really mind. For me Newcastle has always been like this and I'll enjoy every matchday as it comes without particularly worrying about where we finish at the end of the season. As long as we don't get relegated it's fine and if we do better than expected that's a nice bonus. Couldn't care less who actually wins the title, or about the entire Champions League for that matter. Might as well be a completely different sport. I feel the same really, as long as we compete week-to-week and have a decent team to get behind it's fine. I can remember when we getting to the latter stages of the Champions League though, wouldn't mind another taste of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Between a rock and a hard place ever since we listed him. Taking him off and the board lose face. It is clear pardew wants to keep him but we have no choice but to accept offers under the position joeys has placed himself (with help from the goons upstairs). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 If Barton didn't have a lot of previous there'd be a ton of clubs going for him. Clubs are staying away because of his reputation and they're afraid he'll unsettle things, not because of his ability as a player. No top club would go near him, man, and it's nothing to do with his repuation. I don't understand how people can watch the likes of Man United play the other night, or Arsenal and Spurs at their best and think he could fit into their midfields. He'd be a fish out of water, man. I'm surprised somebody like Stoke or another mid-table club hasn't put the cash up for him, mind. He's not top 4 material, no one is saying he is. He's good enough for the likes of Everton, Villa, Bolton etc though. Fair enough, aye. Like jdc said though it's hard to justify his wages for those teams. Seems with QPR we've got a West Ham style scenario in terms of loudmouth ownership appeasing fans by signing an English player with an inflated reputation, who's much better than what they have and thus justifying a big, long-term contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WashyGeordie Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 If he goes to QPR i'll be gob smacked like, but surely it'd be solely money reasons, as what would really motivate him other than that, to join a newly promoted team who tbh, have more chance of going down atm than us - and surely i'm not being biased. And another thing, how much of a coincidence is it that a SSN reporter was travelling down on the train with him... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppaz Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was talking about this with my mackem mate the other night, he basically says he's given up on football because it's impossible for clubs like ours to progress. I'm still not sure I believe that entirely, and we'll see the effect of financial fair play, but it doesn't look rosy. Selling players like Andy Carroll doesn't help. Indeed not, but not many clubs can turn down that sort of money. Besides that, let's not kid ourselves. If Carroll's development didn't stall and he became a top striker, he was never going to be ours for very long anyway and we probably wouldn't have gotten 35m for him if we sold him later. Speaking of Carroll he has been awful recently. Got halled off early against arsenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was talking about this with my mackem mate the other night, he basically says he's given up on football because it's impossible for clubs like ours to progress. I'm still not sure I believe that entirely, and we'll see the effect of financial fair play, but it doesn't look rosy. Selling players like Andy Carroll doesn't help. Indeed not, but not many clubs can turn down that sort of money. Besides that, let's not kid ourselves. If Carroll's development didn't stall and he became a top striker, he was never going to be ours for very long anyway and we probably wouldn't have gotten 35m for him if we sold him later. Speaking of Carroll he has been awful recently. Got halled off early against arsenal. They are already complaining about how he makes them play long ball football. Not his fault, but it could mean his rapid transition to the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I was talking about this with my mackem mate the other night, he basically says he's given up on football because it's impossible for clubs like ours to progress. I'm still not sure I believe that entirely, and we'll see the effect of financial fair play, but it doesn't look rosy. Selling players like Andy Carroll doesn't help. Indeed not, but not many clubs can turn down that sort of money. Besides that, let's not kid ourselves. If Carroll's development didn't stall and he became a top striker, he was never going to be ours for very long anyway and we probably wouldn't have gotten 35m for him if we sold him later. Speaking of Carroll he has been awful recently. Got halled off early against arsenal. They are already complaining about how he makes them play long ball football. Not his fault, but it could mean his rapid transition to the bench. Here's wishing. Welcome him back with open arms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 If he goes to QPR i'll be gob smacked like, but surely it'd be solely money reasons, as what would really motivate him other than that, to join a newly promoted team who tbh, have more chance of going down atm than us - and surely i'm not being biased. And another thing, how much of a coincidence is it that a SSN reporter was travelling down on the train with him... He loves the attention, that's for sure. Roll up, roll up..the Barton show is in town. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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