Disco Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 A family of wronguns Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 3 hours ago, Mag3.14 said: "If I kicked somebody in the head, there would be a lot more damage" - one hell of a defence there! Proper thug no matter how "intellectual" he claims to be Woke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 How does he seemingly still have a legion of fans? It’s hilarious to think Claire Balding was kissing his arse with her spoonfed shit on the BBC not so long back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 8 minutes ago, Ronaldo said: How does he seemingly still have a legion of fans? All say hello Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Thankfully I don’t know who 3 and 5 are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, Ronaldo said: Thankfully I don’t know who 3 and 5 are. 3 proves the lack of intelligence among the masses as his "fans" deify him for being an "alpha male" getting all the supermodels he wants, being rich enough to buy whatever the fuck he wants and being one of the best poker players in the world - which is how he apparently accumulated the wealth he uses to get any supermodel he wants and buy whatever it is he wants... https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisroberts/2020/07/09/dan-bilzerian-is-a-renter "The mansions, the yachts. The parties—the models. How does Dan Bilzerian, the globe-trotting, cash-stacking, gun-toting, Instagram-boasting partying playboy do it? Or, more to the point: How does he pay for it all? He doesn’t. Dan Bilzerian charges his six-figure lifestyle to credit cards someone else have to pay off." Yet, even after the obvious became public knowledge; the man was a scam artist and a fraudster through and through - even with him now facing nine federal charges, including conspiracy to defraud the United States and wire fraud, the absolute monkey brained "fans" of his refuse to acknowledge reality The worst part about our meagre existence is the fact that people with lower IQs get more children than people with higher IQs, and that both groups prefer having children with people that have a similar IQ level to their own... meaning intelligent people are bound for extinction, and the rest of humanity is bound for a real life version of the movie Idiocracy sometime in the near future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 8 hours ago, Kaizero said: The worst part about our meagre existence is the fact that people with lower IQs get more children than people with higher IQs, and that both groups prefer having children with people that have a similar IQ level to their own... meaning intelligent people are bound for extinction, Chiasmata. It’s a wonderful thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 9 hours ago, Kaizero said: 3 proves the lack of intelligence among the masses as his "fans" deify him for being an "alpha male" getting all the supermodels he wants, being rich enough to buy whatever the fuck he wants and being one of the best poker players in the world - which is how he apparently accumulated the wealth he uses to get any supermodel he wants and buy whatever it is he wants... https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisroberts/2020/07/09/dan-bilzerian-is-a-renter "The mansions, the yachts. The parties—the models. How does Dan Bilzerian, the globe-trotting, cash-stacking, gun-toting, Instagram-boasting partying playboy do it? Or, more to the The worst part about our meagre existence is the fact that people with lower IQs get more children than people with higher IQs, and that both groups prefer having children with people that have a similar IQ level to their own... meaning intelligent people are bound for extinction, and the rest of humanity is bound for a real life version of the movie Idiocracy sometime in the near future. A lot of the time its not lack of IQ but lack of education. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 10 hours ago, Kaizero said: All say hello Hoying Theo Von and even Rogan in with that lot and Joey Barton. Shocking post. Don't know owt about 3. Edited January 25 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: Hoying Theo Von and even Rogan in with that lot and Joey Barton. Shocking post. Don't know owt about 3. It's where they belong - on the whole. I fully acknowledge and accept that they may make good points about certain topics every now and then, but if you look at their views and content overall, there's clear trending towards the far right, toxic masculinity, misogynism and similar. The fact so few people realize is one of the more troublesome things in modern society, in my opinion That said, I have listened to the odd Rogan piece when it's been an interview subject that interested me or a subject matter that did. But I couldn't even begin imagining consuming his content wholesale listening to each and every episode no matter the subject matter or interview objects... though the very reason I can't picture that is probably also the answer to why people don't see the big picture with these type of content creators; we all consume media in bits and pieces, so nobody ever really get the entire picture as we choose the content we're interested in and skip the rest https://www.ft.com/content/9f2be125-ba1b-4062-ab2d-4b2977db20b0 https://www.vox.com/culture/368563/theo-von-trump-interview-podcast https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/10/opinions/joe-rogan-myth-spotify-joseph/index.html https://www.teenvogue.com/story/emboldened-by-a-trump-win-misogyny-is-exploding-online https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/20/joe-rogan-theo-von-podcasts-donald-trump https://www.thedailystar.net/opinion/views/news/peterson-rogan-tate-the-cult-toxic-masculinity-3129491 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/aug/14/young-men-election-joe-rogan-donald-trump https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-joe-rogan-adin-ross-b2642756.html https://www.politico.eu/article/scotlands-controversial-hate-crime-law-triggered-jk-rowling-joe-rogan-elon-musk https://www.cinemablend.com/television/comedian-theo-von-defends-roseanne-barr-controversial-comments-viral https://slate.com/culture/2024/11/podcasts-politics-right-spotify-tucker-carlson-charlie-kirk-candace-owens-joe-rogan.html https://www.mediaite.com/podcasts/theo-von-praised-by-far-right-for-telling-joe-rogan-jews-control-liberal-media-why-do-they-hate-white-guys And this is just after a quick one and done google search, god knows what would show up if I actually gave the searching the same amount of effort as I did formatting this post *I've not read through all the articles, just skimmed them what felt like enough to confirm that their contents aligned with my point of view. Fully acknowledge I may have missed something during the skim read, so not accepting any "butwhataboutthisarticle?!-isms" as I'm well aware I didn't give any of the content thorough quality control, and that was a conscious choice as my mind would've rotted having to read about those people one more second than absolutely necessary. Edited January 25 by Kaizero Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Just relax, fella. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Rogan is one of the worst tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghandis Flip-Flop Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 7 minutes ago, gdm said: Rogan is one of the worst tbh Years of steroid abuse shrinks your balls and your brain, so not shocking at all really Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 @Kid Icarus moving right at an alarming rate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kid Icarus Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 3 hours ago, Kaizero said: It's where they belong - on the whole. I fully acknowledge and accept that they may make good points about certain topics every now and then, but if you look at their views and content overall, there's clear trending towards the far right, toxic masculinity, misogynism and similar. The fact so few people realize is one of the more troublesome things in modern society, in my opinion That said, I have listened to the odd Rogan piece when it's been an interview subject that interested me or a subject matter that did. But I couldn't even begin imagining consuming his content wholesale listening to each and every episode no matter the subject matter or interview objects... though the very reason I can't picture that is probably also the answer to why people don't see the big picture with these type of content creators; we all consume media in bits and pieces, so nobody ever really get the entire picture as we choose the content we're interested in and skip the rest https://www.ft.com/content/9f2be125-ba1b-4062-ab2d-4b2977db20b0 https://www.vox.com/culture/368563/theo-von-trump-interview-podcast https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/10/opinions/joe-rogan-myth-spotify-joseph/index.html https://www.teenvogue.com/story/emboldened-by-a-trump-win-misogyny-is-exploding-online https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/20/joe-rogan-theo-von-podcasts-donald-trump https://www.thedailystar.net/opinion/views/news/peterson-rogan-tate-the-cult-toxic-masculinity-3129491 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/aug/14/young-men-election-joe-rogan-donald-trump https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-joe-rogan-adin-ross-b2642756.html https://www.politico.eu/article/scotlands-controversial-hate-crime-law-triggered-jk-rowling-joe-rogan-elon-musk https://www.cinemablend.com/television/comedian-theo-von-defends-roseanne-barr-controversial-comments-viral https://slate.com/culture/2024/11/podcasts-politics-right-spotify-tucker-carlson-charlie-kirk-candace-owens-joe-rogan.html https://www.mediaite.com/podcasts/theo-von-praised-by-far-right-for-telling-joe-rogan-jews-control-liberal-media-why-do-they-hate-white-guys And this is just after a quick one and done google search, god knows what would show up if I actually gave the searching the same amount of effort as I did formatting this post *I've not read through all the articles, just skimmed them what felt like enough to confirm that their contents aligned with my point of view. Fully acknowledge I may have missed something during the skim read, so not accepting any "butwhataboutthisarticle?!-isms" as I'm well aware I didn't give any of the content thorough quality control, and that was a conscious choice as my mind would've rotted having to read about those people one more second than absolutely necessary. Could just be that people do know what Rogan is like but 1 disagree with you, and more importantly 2 have the tiny amount of autonomy that's needed to listen to podcasts without changing their belief system. We can agree or disagree on the 'danger' of people like Rogan, their intentions, responsibilities as public figures and what it says about people's susceptibility and liberal hysteria, but the point I'm making is that no matter what you think about that, hoying him and Theo Von in with a human trafficker and a man that was held in contempt of Congress is a huge overreach. Edited January 25 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ronaldo said: @Kid Icarus moving right at an alarming rate. Noooo , plenty of people on the left who can't stand the whole cancel culture IDPol stuff. Edited January 25 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: Could just be that people do know what Rogan is like but 1 disagree with you, and more importantly 2 have the tiny amount of autonomy that's needed to listen to podcasts without changing their belief system. We can agree or disagree on the 'danger' of people like Rogan, their intentions, responsibilities as public figures and what it says about people's susceptibility and liberal hysteria, but the point I'm making is that no matter what you think about that, hoying him and Theo Von in with a human trafficker and a man that was held in contempt of Congress is a huge overreach. The context the post was in response to the question raised concerning how people like Barton – i.e. figures that are obviously controversial and have a recorded history of either consciously, ignorantly or accidentally (repeatedly so), talk down, demean and devalue massive swaths of the population in a vicious manner that a cynic would say was a calculated effort to generate more press coverage and thus more ad revenue – yet still having massive fanbases. All five of the persons I posted have enormous fanbases regardless of them repeatedly causing outrage with their opinions, whether you agree with any of those opinions or not is wholly irrelevant when it comes to the context of the post and why I chose those five people to represent controversial figures that retain their popularity no matter what they say or do in public. Hell, they even grow their fanbase from doing so at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: Noooo , plenty of people on the left who can't stand the whole cancel culture IDPol stuff. Radicalisation is a thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 fwiw, my personal opinion about men my age (or younger) being fans of media personalities like Joe Rogan and his merry band of toxic masculinity preachers, is that they should all read this article with their undivided attention throughout: Joe Rogan: "Straight white men are being silenced by 'woke' culture" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ronaldo said: Radicalisation is a thing. Course it is, but frankly if you're getting radicalised by Joe Rogan and Theo Von you're just as likely to be primed for Radicalisation through watching Peppa Pig or never had a spine in the first place. Edited January 26 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 4 hours ago, Kaizero said: The context the post was in response to the question raised concerning how people like Barton – i.e. figures that are obviously controversial and have a recorded history of either consciously, ignorantly or accidentally (repeatedly so), talk down, demean and devalue massive swaths of the population in a vicious manner that a cynic would say was a calculated effort to generate more press coverage and thus more ad revenue – yet still having massive fanbases. All five of the persons I posted have enormous fanbases regardless of them repeatedly causing outrage with their opinions, whether you agree with any of those opinions or not is wholly irrelevant when it comes to the context of the post and why I chose those five people to represent controversial figures that retain their popularity no matter what they say or do in public. Hell, they even grow their fanbase from doing so at times. I recommend 'cancelling comedians while the world burns' on this sort of thing. It's right up your street imo. Theo Von though, man. It's like taking Mitch Hedberg's jokes at face value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said: Course it is, but frankly if you're getting radicalised by Joe Rogan and Theo Von you're just as likely to be primed for Radicalisation through watching Peppa Pig or never had a spine in the first place. I know you’ve not been radicalised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 39 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: I recommend 'cancelling comedians while the world burns' on this sort of thing. It's right up your street imo. Theo Von though, man. It's like taking Mitch Hedberg's jokes at face value. TL;DR I think we're hung up on something not even on topic, as, again, the intention with my reply to Ronaldo was only to give more examples of controversial personalities that just keep growing their fanbase after controversies that would've, if not cancelled then at least damaged, their careers. I didn't mean to imply Theo Von was the face of the far right toxic masculinity #manosphere podcaster landscape 😅🙏🏼 ---------- This'll probably come across sounding like some kind of passive aggressive retort, but I've already read it 😅 But! At least I can vouch for your recommendation, it's a great read and anyone that find themselves even just curious after looking it up, they should just skip past the "on the fence" part of deciding to make the effort, they should just read it I don't think it applies here though, as the critique isn't of them as comedians, it's of them as podcast hosts. It's essentially a new role in the media landscape, more comparable to either the host of panel debate shows or entertainment talk-shows on old-timey linear TV back in the day. I have nothing against them as comedians, I've laughed plenty at their jokes through the years. But now, when adding more context to their opinions, beliefs and views on society – the same jokes that once felt genuinely entertaining and like they were "poking fun" at things wrong with modern society, especially after the dawn of cancel culture in the past decade. It's less funny when I'm aware that they weren't really joking*, and that some of the opinions performed as jokes, appear to be their genuine opinions and views (based on the consistency of them repeating said opinions/views in other channels). *obviously I don't think that the reality is anything other than the majority of the stand-up routines, or at least a fairly big chunk of them, were written with a genuine intention for the punchlines to actually function as jokes – not personal opinions. I can understand your views about me including Theo Von in the list of five controversial public figures with massive fanbases I posted – neither did I do a deepdive to ensure I found the five publicly, overall, five people that fit the context and purpose of my reply to Ron's post 😅 I can say why I went for Von, though. I acknowledge that he's fairly left-leaning on certain topics, but his dramatic swing directly to the far right on a few other subjects are, overall, the main reason. These aren't random "quips" made once or twice that the media or general public celebrate being able to act outraged about having been said, but rather things he's repeated often as far back as I can remember knowing that Theo Von existed. Things that's been said in multiple context and on different platforms/in different formats (interviews, podcasts, stand-up, social media & public appearances). Whilst you can praise Von for his staunch stance regarding what Israel has been doing in Gaza has been nothing else than genocide, him talking down female rights and his staunch opposition to the LGBTQ community being acknowledged as existing – let alone being deserving of basic human rights. That said, I can happily agree that there are many more suitable public personalities that I could've included in Von's place if I had bothered to not just name the first ones that came to mind. In fact, I can even go as far as admitting that I 100% regret giving Von one of the (randomly chosen number) five spots I posted – as I remembered Tucker Carlson exists That said, the very fact Theo Von is a person that would give a genuine, unrepentant, child predator a lifeline by bringing him on as a co-host for one of his podcasts instead of denouncing him is unforgivable on all fronts, regardless of which part of a made-up political spectrum any person feel a connection to. The fucking vile cunt's "attempt" at a public apology wasn't saying it was wrong of him to repeatedly groom minors and pay them to have sex with him, or commit other sexual acts – it was saying that none of his "encounters" had ever been "nonconsensual" Von siding with the child molestor, regardless of whatever the fuck else he's ever done in his entire life... that, on its own, tells you everything you'd ever need to know about the kind of person Theo Von actuallly is. There's no "comedy" angle to hide behind for making the choice of publicly backing a – proven – repeat child molestor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 22 hours ago, Ronaldo said: I know you’ve not been radicalised. Aye sorry just thought you meant in general Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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