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Crystal Palace 0 - 2 Newcastle - 22/08/09 - post match reaction from page 20


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Barton is ten times the player Alan Smith is. People have short memories, 4 good games in 2 years and suddenly Smith is worth the shirt, honestly

 

How many good games has Barton had in 2 years?  About the same amount.

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People at the game, how did the midfield combo of Guthrie and Smith look? I think this is our best partnership personally as both make up for the others weaknesses.

 

Guthrie and Barton for me has the most potential, although tbf to Smith he is making a strong case. Guthrie holding spraying passes with Barton being the driving influence

 

I just still don't trust Barton, both on and off the pitch. I like the holding player to be more like Smith than Guthrie, personal preference though, as both are more than capable.

 

What risk is he on the pitch?

 

Alan Smith is a lot more of a risk than Barton, he could easily have been sent off against both Reading and Sheff Wed

 

Liverpool (a) last season, and we all know the fact that he's Joey Barton means he is under constant target from officials, players and fans. When he's on form he is a fine footballer, but against Reading he wasn't brilliant (granted, out of position). If it was a clean slate, maybe you're right, but Smith has earned this shirt for the short/mid future.

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Barton is ten times the player Alan Smith is. People have short memories, 4 good games in 2 years and suddenly Smith is worth the shirt, honestly

 

How many good games has Barton had in 2 years?  About the same amount.

 

Since roughly when Allardyce was sacked, Barton has looked our best player every other time he's been on the pitch. He's an absolute class act on form

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Barton is ten times the player Alan Smith is. People have short memories, 4 good games in 2 years and suddenly Smith is worth the shirt, honestly

 

How many good games has Barton had in 2 years?  About the same amount.

 

He was out most of last season and still had more than Smith.  Aston Villa, West Brom

 

Edit: Barton was awesome for us during the brief, too brief Keegan tenure.

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Barton is ten times the player Alan Smith is. People have short memories, 4 good games in 2 years and suddenly Smith is worth the shirt, honestly

 

How many good games has Barton had in 2 years?  About the same amount.

 

Since roughly when Allardyce was sacked, Barton has looked our best player every other time he's been on the pitch. He's an absolute class act on form

 

Smith + Barton then?

 

Personally have always said Barton + Guthrie is our best midfield but Smith sounds like he put in an excellent shift today. Certainly could be more combative with Smith. 

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Joey Barton and Alan Smith are the most likely to share a bath on a match day. With Guthrie too though we have a mini selection problem in the middle of the park.

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Barton and Guthrie presents by far the best functioning midfield to me. Especially at home

 

 

 

At home probably.  I think they're both too attack minded to work well together away from home, where we should use Smith.  He deserves his place on his performances so far, dropping your in form players sends a terrible message to those wanting to hold down a first team place.

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Any combination of Smith/barton/guthrie will outplay nearly every side in this league

Smiths ability is underestimated as i were saying before the game  :snod:

 

Great result, happy days

 

Totally agree, people see the name Alan Smith and just think of the headless, aimless, positionless chicken of the Allardyce era

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Barton and Guthrie presents by far the best functioning midfield to me. Especially at home

 

 

 

At home probably.  I think they're both too attack minded to work well together away from home, where we should use Smith.  He deserves his place on his performances so far, dropping your in form players sends a terrible message to those wanting to hold down a first team place.

 

I personally though Smith wasn't great against Reading and downright poor against Sheff Wed

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I would go with Guthrie on the right with Barton and Smith in the middle. Guthrie played very well on the right against Boro and with Jonas on the left, that midfield would have a good balance.

 

Barton did well in a wide position under Keegan too.

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Hughton will never have the balls to play Barton and Guthrie in the centre of a four so there's not much point speculating about it being our best partnership.

 

Aye.

 

Butt and Smith in the middle, allowing Nolan to play the free role, is probably what the long term dream is.

 

Depressing. :lol:

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Hughton will never have the balls to play Barton and Guthrie in the centre of a four so there's not much point speculating about it being our best partnership.

 

Let's be fair though, when has any manager had the chance?

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I think context is very important in this kind of debate. In the context of the Premiership Smith is woefully inadequate, but in the context of the Championship he seems to work, going on the games so far. Yeah he still dives in too much, but that seems to be more acceptable in this league and I don't think he's going to pick up anywhere near as many cards this year as he does in the Premier League. Barton on the other hand, despite being a better player (although the difference between them will be less noticeable at this level I reckon), is always going to pick up cards wherever he plays in this country because he's Joey Barton and has a justified reputation for being a total cunt (sorry Cath but it's true). Smith has played well so far and seems a valuable player at this level (fuck me, I never thought I'd type those words!) and if he maintains it I'd be fine with him playing the vast majority of games this year, but I wouldn't let that blind me to his inadequacy at the next level and I'd flog him the moment we got promoted (if that happens), hopefully for a decent fee after a reputation-boosting season. So at the moment (as amazing as this seems) it's who plays with Smith, rather than instead of him, for me. My choice would be Guthrie, I think he adds a similar amount to Barton, is much less volatile and has the added benefit of not being a total scumbag. In fact, if a decent offer came in for Barton (£3-4m) I'd take it. We need a fresh start on so many different levels and seeing Barton leave the club is part of that in my view, as it moves us a step away from being a soap-opera and a step towards being a stable (and therefore hopefully a successful) football club and I think that's really important for our long-term future.

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While Guthrie and Barton are better midfielders in the playmaker sense, Smith gives us a nice aggressive bite in midfield, and he's pretty good in the air as well, I think we need a player like him in the middle. I'd be happy with any two from those three tbh, I think they all have the ability to dovetail very nicely.

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Guest optimistic nit

Harper - 8 - Not much to do first half as Palace seemed to miss target with all their chances. Good second half.

Simpson - 6 - Didn't do much. No mistakes but looks quite slow.

Taylor - 7 - Decent.

Colo - 8 - Very good second half. Seems to be just booting it clear now instead of messing about with it at the back.

Enrique - 9 - Excellent again never made a mistake. Seems to win all the fifty-fifty balls. Good link up with Jonas.

R. Taylor - 7 - Good goal. Not much else.

Smith - 7 - Good defensive midfield performance. Dunno what he was doing on that Ranger break away at the end though.

Nolan - 6/7 - Average

Guthrie - 8 - Very good performance playing in advanced midfield role. Didn't look fully fit either so looks promising for coming weeks.

Jonas - 7 - Good couple of assists. Not keen on his attitude. Only player throwing arms in air/ complaining at other players.

Ameobi - 6/7 - Decent hold up play. Missed what looked to be a sitter after good work by Guthrie.

 

Ranger - 7 - Showed promise and good pace on the one opportunity he had.

Butt - 5 - Seems to play like he has got all the skill in the world and he hasnt. Done one bit of skill that actually came off though.

Geremi - 5 - Got fouled and fell over to the amusement of the fans and the players (especially Nolan).

 

Not sure if this has been mentioned but Ranger looked like he was sitting on the front row with our fans at HT. Didn't have a great view as was quite near the back. Anyone know what he was doing?

 

that bit about colo is a bit optimistic like. i'd say he just go away with fannying about with it more than he usually does (although almost got fucked up once when he tried to do a cruyff turn at lb as the last man and almost got robbed.

 

i'm not trying to bash him, overall i thought he was fairly good today but he had some moments where i was worriedhe was going to cost us a goal.

 

i couldn't really single anyone out today, i thought it was just a very good if not completely flawless team display. cant really think of anyone who let us down or performed exceptionally.

Smith enrique toss up for motm though

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