2sheds Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Fergie lost his first 8 games at Man Utd? Wow you learn something new every day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Fergie lost his first 8 games at Man Utd? Wow you learn something new every day Shearer didn't lose his first 8 games here. The point I was making is that Fergie had a terrible spell but he was perservered with because you can't write a manager off for a bad run of form. Unless you're an idiot, which you clearly are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimburst Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Fergie lost his first 8 games at Man Utd? Wow you learn something new every day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sheds Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 The simple question for the simple poster is was this winless streak AT THE START OF HIS CAREER AS MAN UTD BOSS, YES OR NO? If it wasn't at the start it's an idiotic point to bring up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 fergie had already built a team and won a european trophy with aberdeen and managed scotland at the world cup in mexico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 assuming its shearer who gets the job, this league seems piss easy so now would be the idea time for him to come in as he has time to find his feet and can learn from mistakes without too much consequence. hughton is obviously doing well but i'd rather it was shearer getting this experience/practice. There's something in that. If we have to have Shearer, better sooner rather than later. We've had Shearer as a manager. In case you didn't notice he was shyte And as you obviously didn't notice, I've already said I don't want him as manager. But if we HAVE to have him... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Fergie lost his first 8 games at Man Utd? Wow you learn something new every day Where did I say this? ******* mongs on this board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 The simple question for the simple poster is was this winless streak AT THE START OF HIS CAREER AS MAN UTD BOSS, YES OR NO? If it wasn't at the start it's an idiotic point to bring up And it's not idiotic to say a manager is ***** after 8 games? You're the kind of idiot who gives Newcastle fans a bad name. No clue about football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Is it only me who thinks that if Hughton is still manager at the end of the season and we're promoted that there's very little chance he'll be replaced next summer and it'd only be after a poor start to next season that they'd bring a new man in? If there is to be a manager change and we're going to get promoted then it'll need to be sooner rather than later before it gets awkward for them to replace Hughton. A bit of ruthlessness would be nice (well not for Hughton it wouldn't be), but does anyone truly believe they'd have the balls to replace him if he had got us promoted? I don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Houghton isn't a manager, he has shown that already this season when having to make tough decisions when we were a goal behind in games, and the inclusion of Butt speaks volumes. I don't want Shearer here either, I think we need stability and experience. For me the two names who come to mind are Strachan and Bilic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Is it only me who thinks that if Hughton is still manager at the end of the season and we're promoted that there's very little chance he'll be replaced next summer and it'd only be after a poor start to next season that they'd bring a new man in? If there is to be a manager change and we're going to get promoted then it'll need to be sooner rather than later before it gets awkward for them to replace Hughton. A bit of ruthlessness would be nice (well not for Hughton it wouldn't be), but does anyone truly believe they'd have the balls to replace him if he had got us promoted? I don't. I've been thinking exactly the same thing. If he gets us promoted he'll have "earned his chance" and then we'll have to waste another season waiting for him to fuck up in Prem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest iliketoonarmy Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Houghton isn't a manager, he has shown that already this season when having to make tough decisions when we were a goal behind in games, and the inclusion of Butt speaks volumes. I don't want Shearer here either, I think we need stability and experience. For me the two names who come to mind are Strachan and Bilic. Bilic as manager would be cool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Hughton has done well but he isn't a manager. Best time to take Shearer would be now as it'd give him time to get used to it in a piss easy league and give him time to adjust before the January window. Anyone that's taking the 8 games he had at the end of last season as any sort of indication of his managerial ability is an idiot; it was the definition of thrown in at the deep end. Considering the state we were in and the moral of the team I doubt there are many managers out there that could have pulled us out of that rut. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sheds Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 The simple question for the simple poster is was this winless streak AT THE START OF HIS CAREER AS MAN UTD BOSS, YES OR NO? If it wasn't at the start it's an idiotic point to bring up And it's not idiotic to say a manager is ***** after 8 games? You're the kind of idiot who gives Newcastle fans a bad name. No clue about football. Sometimes it's obvious that some people will never be an effective manager as long as they have a hole in their arse and it points downwards. The list of ex-players who thought they'd make brilliant managers but were spectacular flops is as long as your arm. Some of them didn't even last 8 games............................................. EDIT nice dodging of the question. I might aswell answer it myself, Fergies 8 game winless streak cameafter he'd been in the job 3 years. What an idiotic comparison to make - I'm sure if he started off with Shearers record he wouldn't have lasted past his first Xmas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Hughton has done well but he isn't a manager. Best time to take Shearer would be now as it'd give him time to get used to it in a piss easy league and give him time to adjust before the January window. Anyone that's taking the 8 games he had at the end of last season as any sort of indication of his managerial ability is an idiot; it was the definition of thrown in at the deep end. Considering the state we were in and the moral of the team I doubt there are many managers out there that could have pulled us out of that rut. Doesn't prove he's any good, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 The simple question for the simple poster is was this winless streak AT THE START OF HIS CAREER AS MAN UTD BOSS, YES OR NO? If it wasn't at the start it's an idiotic point to bring up And it's not idiotic to say a manager is ***** after 8 games? You're the kind of idiot who gives Newcastle fans a bad name. No clue about football. Sometimes it's obvious that some people will never be an effective manager as long as they have a hole in their arse and it points downwards. The list of ex-players who thought they'd make brilliant managers but were spectacular flops is as long as your arm. Some of them didn't even last 8 games............................................. 8 games with that side & following that season is no basis to be making predictions about how good a managers going to be. A tough start to a managerial career is an understatement, he inherited a pile of crap low on confidence and probably wasnt experienced enough to be able to turn it around as quickly as needed. That in no way determines that he'd be a crap manager in the long run. Even then it took a piece of bad luck for us to get relegated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Houghton isn't a manager, he has shown that already this season when having to make tough decisions when we were a goal behind in games, and the inclusion of Butt speaks volumes. I don't want Shearer here either, I think we need stability and experience. For me the two names who come to mind are Strachan and Bilic. Hughton In all honesty though, Shearer is the only man to take us forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 The simple question for the simple poster is was this winless streak AT THE START OF HIS CAREER AS MAN UTD BOSS, YES OR NO? If it wasn't at the start it's an idiotic point to bring up And it's not idiotic to say a manager is ***** after 8 games? You're the kind of idiot who gives Newcastle fans a bad name. No clue about football. Sometimes it's obvious that some people will never be an effective manager as long as they have a hole in their arse and it points downwards. The list of ex-players who thought they'd make brilliant managers but were spectacular flops is as long as your arm. Some of them didn't even last 8 games............................................. 8 games with that side & following that season is no basis to be making predictions about how good a managers going to be. A tough start to a managerial career is an understatement, he inherited a pile of crap low on confidence and probably wasnt experienced enough to be able to turn it around as quickly as needed. That in no way determines that he'd be a crap manager in the long run. Even then it took a piece of bad luck for us to get relegated. In no way determines that he'll be a good one either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Didnt say it did. Moronic to say either at this point, no one has a clue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sheds Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 The simple question for the simple poster is was this winless streak AT THE START OF HIS CAREER AS MAN UTD BOSS, YES OR NO? If it wasn't at the start it's an idiotic point to bring up And it's not idiotic to say a manager is ***** after 8 games? You're the kind of idiot who gives Newcastle fans a bad name. No clue about football. Sometimes it's obvious that some people will never be an effective manager as long as they have a hole in their arse and it points downwards. The list of ex-players who thought they'd make brilliant managers but were spectacular flops is as long as your arm. Some of them didn't even last 8 games............................................. 8 games with that side & following that season is no basis to be making predictions about how good a managers going to be. A tough start to a managerial career is an understatement, he inherited a pile of crap low on confidence and probably wasnt experienced enough to be able to turn it around as quickly as needed. That in no way determines that he'd be a crap manager in the long run. Even then it took a piece of bad luck for us to get relegated. It's the managers job to instill confidence in a squad. You don't do that by sticking with your old buddies. BTW have you noticed that some of those same players now show genuine committment to the club during matches? The 'pile of crap' excuse is no excuse at all given what's happened since then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Hughton has done well but he isn't a manager. Best time to take Shearer would be now as it'd give him time to get used to it in a piss easy league and give him time to adjust before the January window. Anyone that's taking the 8 games he had at the end of last season as any sort of indication of his managerial ability is an idiot; it was the definition of thrown in at the deep end. Considering the state we were in and the moral of the team I doubt there are many managers out there that could have pulled us out of that rut. Doesn't prove he's any good, though. Really don't see what your point is here, are we in a position to get a proven manager? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Hughton has done well but he isn't a manager. Best time to take Shearer would be now as it'd give him time to get used to it in a piss easy league and give him time to adjust before the January window. Anyone that's taking the 8 games he had at the end of last season as any sort of indication of his managerial ability is an idiot; it was the definition of thrown in at the deep end. Considering the state we were in and the moral of the team I doubt there are many managers out there that could have pulled us out of that rut. Doesn't prove he's any good, though. Really don't see what your point is here, are we in a position to get a proven manager? The simple answer is: yes we are. There's loads of proven managers out there, or are we only going to be happy with Wenger or Fergie? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 It's the managers job to instill confidence in a squad. You don't do that by sticking with your old buddies. BTW have you noticed that some of those same players now show genuine committment to the club during matches? The 'pile of crap' excuse is no excuse at all given what's happened since then Which is what? That we're getting better results against weaker sides? Yeah what a miraculous turn around. Just because its the managers job doesnt mean you ignore the situation and write them off if its not instantly achieved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sheds Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 It's the managers job to instill confidence in a squad. You don't do that by sticking with your old buddies. BTW have you noticed that some of those same players now show genuine committment to the club during matches? The 'pile of crap' excuse is no excuse at all given what's happened since then Which is what? That we're getting better results against weaker sides? Yeah what a miraculous turn around. Just because its the managers job doesnt mean you ignore the situation and write them off if its not instantly achieved. Better results against weaker sides with a much weaker squad who are now far more motivated. Get it right. The whole teams workrate is up massively since last season, you can't put that down to weaker opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Because the quality of the players left turned out to still be better quality than most Championship sides? They then win games, they then get more confident so they work harder to get on the ball. You can put it down to weaker opposition easily. Im sure Hughton has helped the situation, just as Shearer may have been able to. Its not something you can state at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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