OzzieMandias Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 The simple question for the simple poster is was this winless streak AT THE START OF HIS CAREER AS MAN UTD BOSS, YES OR NO? If it wasn't at the start it's an idiotic point to bring up And it's not idiotic to say a manager is ***** after 8 games? You're the kind of idiot who gives Newcastle fans a bad name. No clue about football. Sometimes it's obvious that some people will never be an effective manager as long as they have a hole in their arse and it points downwards. The list of ex-players who thought they'd make brilliant managers but were spectacular flops is as long as your arm. Some of them didn't even last 8 games............................................. 8 games with that side & following that season is no basis to be making predictions about how good a managers going to be. A tough start to a managerial career is an understatement, he inherited a pile of crap low on confidence and probably wasnt experienced enough to be able to turn it around as quickly as needed. That in no way determines that he'd be a crap manager in the long run. Even then it took a piece of bad luck for us to get relegated. In no way determines that he'll be a good one either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Didnt say it did. Moronic to say either at this point, no one has a clue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sheds Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 The simple question for the simple poster is was this winless streak AT THE START OF HIS CAREER AS MAN UTD BOSS, YES OR NO? If it wasn't at the start it's an idiotic point to bring up And it's not idiotic to say a manager is ***** after 8 games? You're the kind of idiot who gives Newcastle fans a bad name. No clue about football. Sometimes it's obvious that some people will never be an effective manager as long as they have a hole in their arse and it points downwards. The list of ex-players who thought they'd make brilliant managers but were spectacular flops is as long as your arm. Some of them didn't even last 8 games............................................. 8 games with that side & following that season is no basis to be making predictions about how good a managers going to be. A tough start to a managerial career is an understatement, he inherited a pile of crap low on confidence and probably wasnt experienced enough to be able to turn it around as quickly as needed. That in no way determines that he'd be a crap manager in the long run. Even then it took a piece of bad luck for us to get relegated. It's the managers job to instill confidence in a squad. You don't do that by sticking with your old buddies. BTW have you noticed that some of those same players now show genuine committment to the club during matches? The 'pile of crap' excuse is no excuse at all given what's happened since then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Hughton has done well but he isn't a manager. Best time to take Shearer would be now as it'd give him time to get used to it in a piss easy league and give him time to adjust before the January window. Anyone that's taking the 8 games he had at the end of last season as any sort of indication of his managerial ability is an idiot; it was the definition of thrown in at the deep end. Considering the state we were in and the moral of the team I doubt there are many managers out there that could have pulled us out of that rut. Doesn't prove he's any good, though. Really don't see what your point is here, are we in a position to get a proven manager? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Hughton has done well but he isn't a manager. Best time to take Shearer would be now as it'd give him time to get used to it in a piss easy league and give him time to adjust before the January window. Anyone that's taking the 8 games he had at the end of last season as any sort of indication of his managerial ability is an idiot; it was the definition of thrown in at the deep end. Considering the state we were in and the moral of the team I doubt there are many managers out there that could have pulled us out of that rut. Doesn't prove he's any good, though. Really don't see what your point is here, are we in a position to get a proven manager? The simple answer is: yes we are. There's loads of proven managers out there, or are we only going to be happy with Wenger or Fergie? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 It's the managers job to instill confidence in a squad. You don't do that by sticking with your old buddies. BTW have you noticed that some of those same players now show genuine committment to the club during matches? The 'pile of crap' excuse is no excuse at all given what's happened since then Which is what? That we're getting better results against weaker sides? Yeah what a miraculous turn around. Just because its the managers job doesnt mean you ignore the situation and write them off if its not instantly achieved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sheds Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 It's the managers job to instill confidence in a squad. You don't do that by sticking with your old buddies. BTW have you noticed that some of those same players now show genuine committment to the club during matches? The 'pile of crap' excuse is no excuse at all given what's happened since then Which is what? That we're getting better results against weaker sides? Yeah what a miraculous turn around. Just because its the managers job doesnt mean you ignore the situation and write them off if its not instantly achieved. Better results against weaker sides with a much weaker squad who are now far more motivated. Get it right. The whole teams workrate is up massively since last season, you can't put that down to weaker opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Because the quality of the players left turned out to still be better quality than most Championship sides? They then win games, they then get more confident so they work harder to get on the ball. You can put it down to weaker opposition easily. Im sure Hughton has helped the situation, just as Shearer may have been able to. Its not something you can state at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 It's the managers job to instill confidence in a squad. You don't do that by sticking with your old buddies. BTW have you noticed that some of those same players now show genuine committment to the club during matches? The 'pile of crap' excuse is no excuse at all given what's happened since then Which is what? That we're getting better results against weaker sides? Yeah what a miraculous turn around. Just because its the managers job doesnt mean you ignore the situation and write them off if its not instantly achieved. So one manager gets 5 points from eight games in a harder division, but with a better squad. Performances weren't exactly good, there seemed to be no new manager "bounce", and the squad's general attitude didn't seem to improve that much, but we had been in free-fall most of the season to be fair. Whilst the other gets 22 points from nine games in a worse division, with a worse squad. Performances have generally pretty good, the squad's general attitude is excellent, but he has made some mistakes which have mostly gone unpunished. To be honest, that seems like a bit of a toss-up as to who's the best, based upon that evidence, yet one is written off as not good enough by basically everyone and the other is still seen as the saviour by the vast majority. It's anythingbut clear-cut in my view, but there are definitely better options than both of them out there and that is clear cut. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gekkotime Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 It's the managers job to instill confidence in a squad. You don't do that by sticking with your old buddies. BTW have you noticed that some of those same players now show genuine committment to the club during matches? The 'pile of crap' excuse is no excuse at all given what's happened since then Which is what? That we're getting better results against weaker sides? Yeah what a miraculous turn around. Just because its the managers job doesnt mean you ignore the situation and write them off if its not instantly achieved. Better results against weaker sides with a much weaker squad who are now far more motivated. Get it right. The whole teams workrate is up massively since last season, you can't put that down to weaker opposition. So you're implying that we're better this season bc of the good work done by Houghton. You're also saying that Shearer wouldn't be a good manager bc the team produced shit results under him last year, which is his fault for not being able to motivate them. So, erm, I mean, have you looked at Houghton's results as caretaker from last year? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 It would be crazy to change manager right now Houghton has a bunch of dross playing well - why risk Shearer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Hughton has a bunch of premier league players playing against a bunch of championship players. I still want Shearer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 This this ship has sailed. Better to move on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Hughton has a bunch of premier league players playing against a bunch of championship players. I still want Shearer Last season's results say otherwise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Hughton has a bunch of premier league players playing against a bunch of championship players. I still want Shearer Last season's results say otherwise they iron-clad confirm otherwise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sheds Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Hughton has a bunch of premier league players playing against a bunch of championship players. I still want Shearer You have the most ironic name on this forum by a country mile. Rob W is right - it would be crazy to change managers now while they are playing so well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 I fancy Hughton to get us up, on that we agree. I also fancy Hughton to take us straight back down. We need a manager in the summer with a standing in the game to make good transfers. Sticking with Hughton now will be disasterous in the long term. Another wasted summer, sacked by October and one very expensive window to save us! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 I fancy Hughton to get us up, on that we agree. I also fancy Hughton to take us straight back down. We need a manager in the summer with a standing in the game to make good transfers. Sticking with Hughton now will be disasterous in the long term. Another wasted summer, sacked by October and one very expensive window to save us! That's the problem I have - we stick with Hughton now and we either have him out of his depth in the premier league (again) or we have a totally inexperienced Shearer out of his depth in the premier league (again) - And whatever reservations anyone may have, he's still odds-on to be our next manager after Hughton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 why does it have to be shearer, why not curbishley or strachen for example both have good track records with teams what does shearer offer that those two do not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 It's the managers job to instill confidence in a squad. You don't do that by sticking with your old buddies. BTW have you noticed that some of those same players now show genuine committment to the club during matches? The 'pile of crap' excuse is no excuse at all given what's happened since then Which is what? That we're getting better results against weaker sides? Yeah what a miraculous turn around. Just because its the managers job doesnt mean you ignore the situation and write them off if its not instantly achieved. So one manager gets 5 points from eight games in a harder division, but with a better squad. Performances weren't exactly good, there seemed to be no new manager "bounce", and the squad's general attitude didn't seem to improve that much, but we had been in free-fall most of the season to be fair. Its pretty hard to show an improvement in form when five of your eight fixtures are Chelsea (h), Liverpool (a), Spuds (a), Villa (a) and Stoke (a). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Libertine Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 why does it have to be shearer, why not curbishley or strachen for example both have good track records with teams what does shearer offer that those two do not? because the media have told us we do. sadly, many of our fans have listened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 why does it have to be shearer, why not curbishley or strachen for example both have good track records with teams what does shearer offer that those two do not? because the media have told us we do. sadly, many of our fans have listened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 why does it have to be shearer, why not curbishley or strachen for example both have good track records with teams what does shearer offer that those two do not? because the media have told us we do. sadly, many of our fans have listened. We do what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 It's the managers job to instill confidence in a squad. You don't do that by sticking with your old buddies. BTW have you noticed that some of those same players now show genuine committment to the club during matches? The 'pile of crap' excuse is no excuse at all given what's happened since then Which is what? That we're getting better results against weaker sides? Yeah what a miraculous turn around. Just because its the managers job doesnt mean you ignore the situation and write them off if its not instantly achieved. So one manager gets 5 points from eight games in a harder division, but with a better squad. Performances weren't exactly good, there seemed to be no new manager "bounce", and the squad's general attitude didn't seem to improve that much, but we had been in free-fall most of the season to be fair. Its pretty hard to show an improvement in form when five of your eight fixtures are Chelsea (h), Liverpool (a), Spuds (a), Villa (a) and Stoke (a). It's pretty hard to get a seriously depleted squad of kids and players who were so awful the previous season that they got relegated to play well enough to get 22 points from nine games. Especially when you've had no money to spend, your club is in the middle of a crisis/takeover, you're not a permanent manager and if the takeover happens could be out of a job, etc, etc, etc. Like I said, it's a toss up between them. Neither are proven good managers, we could do better. To state it implicitly, in case anyone is in any doubt: I am not saying Hughton is the man for the job, I am simply saying that his record is at least comparable to Shearer's, yet no-one thinks he is good enough whereas a lot of people think Shearer is good enough for some reason. That reason is nothing to do with his record as a manager, it is based upon something else entirely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 His desire to be our manager? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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