Segun Oluwaniyi Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Im gonna keep hammering away at this point But if Hughton puts two upfront tonight, we dont lose whether Butts playing or not. Butt isnt the reason we lost tonight atall. This might actually be the ultimate nightmare scenario as it will likely mean a midfield duo of Butt and Smith. Do you actually want us to go down another league? D you understand that any midfield duo that includes Butt is doomed to eternal failure., even Butt and Gerrard. You would seriously sign off on a midfield duo that includes Butt? You scare me. Do you realise you're exaggerating to a ridiculous degree. Also, one of Barton or Guthrie will be in the middle if they are fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 To the kneejerkers: we lost, get over it. We will win on Saturday. Were you lot screaming "Keegan out" when we lost to Grimsby in 1992? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 How long is Guttierez out for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Hughton on SSN: They were far better first half We showed more character second half Their second goal killed it, we were looking like winning it up until then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 To the kneejerkers: we lost, get over it. We will win on Saturday. Were you lot screaming "Keegan out" when we lost to Grimsby in 1992? No, the majority of us could not talk yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Im gonna keep hammering away at this point But if Hughton puts two upfront tonight, we dont lose whether Butts playing or not. Butt isnt the reason we lost tonight atall. This might actually be the ultimate nightmare scenario as it will likely mean a midfield duo of Butt and Smith. Do you actually want us to go down another league? Do you understand that any midfield duo that includes Butt is doomed to eternal failure. Yes, even Butt and Gerrard. You would seriously sign off on a midfield duo that includes Butt? You scare me. Ive no idea what you're waffling on about really. What im saying is that Nicky Butt had little to do with why we lost tonight, that doesnt mean he helped. That doesnt mean im suggesting that hes our new saviour and should be the base of our side. It means he isnt the reason we lost. Look at the cardiff match. We were dominated for the large majority of the game because of the tactics combined with the formation, that was without Butt playing. Sure this time Butt being in there may have made it even easier for the opposition...but you're looking at the small points and ignoring the whole set up putting us on the backfoot in the first place to create that problem. The issue is we give the ball away endlessly. You could leave Butt out, play with 10 men & id expect that midfield to have more time on the ball than they did tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Tbh our whole midfield has been poor this season. Maybe bar Reading and a glimpse of quality from Guthrie against Leicester. It's a joke really, and if we go up we need major investment in that midfield as it would get torn apart in the Premier League. Nolan's looked horrendously unfit, Barton looks like he couldn't be f***ed, Smith's done his job, and Guthrie's not had much of a chance. Smith and Guthrie central and Barton behind the front man is how this midfield three should be, but it's so impossibly obvious Hughton can't see it. Might as well make it all too difficult for no reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 To the kneejerkers: we lost, get over it. We will win on Saturday. Were you lot screaming "Keegan out" when we lost to Grimsby in 1992? Yeah I chanted it from within the womb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Tbh our whole midfield has been poor this season. Maybe bar Reading and a glimpse of quality from Guthrie against Leicester. It's a joke really, and if we go up we need major investment in that midfield as it would get torn apart in the Premier League. Nolan's looked horrendously unfit, Barton looks like he couldn't be f***ed, Smith's done his job, and Guthrie's not had much of a chance. Smith and Guthrie central and Barton behind the front man is how this midfield three should be, but it's so impossibly obvious Hughton can't see it. Might as well make it all too difficult for no reason. He's making it difficult because we have no wingers and he has to compensate for this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 To the kneejerkers: we lost, get over it. We will win on Saturday. Were you lot screaming "Keegan out" when we lost to Grimsby in 1992? If we had lost Sunday would you have said we'll win Wednesday? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Have thought that in some of our wins if the opposition had taken the chances we'd afforded them or had a little bit more rub of the green we could have dropped points like, has felt kind of like we've been riding our luck a little bit and were due a defeat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 just seen the highlights, looked a blatant pen for us for a handball off Colocinis shot, 0-0 at the time, would've been a pen and red card and probably changed the whole game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 To the kneejerkers: we lost, get over it. We will win on Saturday. Were you lot screaming "Keegan out" when we lost to Grimsby in 1992? so because we're unhappy at defeat, we're kneejerking? I don't see many saying we're going down now tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Probably not, as we were away from home tonight against a side with some momentum and a rabble-rousing manager, as opposed to a home game against a team dying on its arse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Tbh our whole midfield has been poor this season. Maybe bar Reading and a glimpse of quality from Guthrie against Leicester. It's a joke really, and if we go up we need major investment in that midfield as it would get torn apart in the Premier League. Nolan's looked horrendously unfit, Barton looks like he couldn't be f***ed, Smith's done his job, and Guthrie's not had much of a chance. Smith and Guthrie central and Barton behind the front man is how this midfield three should be, but it's so impossibly obvious Hughton can't see it. Might as well make it all too difficult for no reason. He's making it difficult because we have no wingers and he has to compensate for this. The fact is he just doesn't want to drop Nolan and now he won't be able to bring himself to drop Butt. The likes of Lua Lua could easily be put out on that wing and his pace and unpredictability would be a breath of fresh air and would at the very least give us another gear out there. I really like Hughton but he is bottling it. Huge shame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 To the kneejerkers: we lost, get over it. We will win on Saturday. Were you lot screaming "Keegan out" when we lost to Grimsby in 1992? Yeah I chanted it from within the womb. Then listen to the voice of experience Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Hughton on SSN: They were far better first half We showed more character second half Their second goal killed it, we were looking like winning it up until then Their second goal killed it? no - bringing off Barton and Guthrie and leaving Butt on the pitch killed it. 4-5-1 killed it. Wasnt there about 20 minutes left after the 2nd goal? How does 1 goal kill any game unless its in the last couple of minutes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Tbh our whole midfield has been poor this season. Maybe bar Reading and a glimpse of quality from Guthrie against Leicester. It's a joke really, and if we go up we need major investment in that midfield as it would get torn apart in the Premier League. Nolan's looked horrendously unfit, Barton looks like he couldn't be f***ed, Smith's done his job, and Guthrie's not had much of a chance. Smith and Guthrie central and Barton behind the front man is how this midfield three should be, but it's so impossibly obvious Hughton can't see it. Might as well make it all too difficult for no reason. He's making it difficult because we have no wingers and he has to compensate for this. The fact is he just doesn't want to drop Nolan and now he won't be able to bring himself to drop Butt. The likes of Lua Lua could easily be put out on that wing and his pace and unpredictability would be a breath of fresh air and would at the very least give us another gear out there. I really like Hughton but he is bottling it. Huge shame. whenever lua lua has came on for the first team he's looked lost with lots of running going nowhere. i'd probably rather have geremi in away games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 To the kneejerkers: we lost, get over it. We will win on Saturday. Were you lot screaming "Keegan out" when we lost to Grimsby in 1992? Yeah I chanted it from within the womb. Then listen to the voice of experience The voice of experience is the reason Butt is out there right now. Do anything but listen to the voice of experience. Experience is a word I have come to despise because of this team of ours. Butt, Nolan, etc. Yeah they'll do a job with all that experience won't they. Nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 To the kneejerkers: we lost, get over it. We will win on Saturday. Were you lot screaming "Keegan out" when we lost to Grimsby in 1992? Yeah I chanted it from within the womb. Then listen to the voice of experience Haha, I agree with you mate, we were always gonna lose games and I'm confident we'll bounce back on Saturday, aslong as the right team is played. Also, am I the only one who gets pissed off that the next game isn't immediate after a loss? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 To the kneejerkers: we lost, get over it. We will win on Saturday. Were you lot screaming "Keegan out" when we lost to Grimsby in 1992? so because we're unhappy at defeat, we're kneejerking? I don't see many saying we're going down now tbh Nothing wrong with not being happy with a defeat and reflecting sensibly on it. But for some (more than some) on here, being unhappy at defeat = Hughton out/all our previous wins were lucky/Nicky Butt (the antichrist) was the sole reason for getting beaten. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 To the kneejerkers: we lost, get over it. We will win on Saturday. Were you lot screaming "Keegan out" when we lost to Grimsby in 1992? Yeah I chanted it from within the womb. Then listen to the voice of experience The voice of experience is the reason Butt is out there right now. Do anything but listen to the voice of experience. Experience is a word I have come to despise because of this team of ours. Butt, Nolan, etc. Yeah they'll do a job with all that experience won't they. Nonsense. bartons experienced aswell and been largely shite in his time here. he seems to be getting a very easy ride of things here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Hughton on SSN: They were far better first half We showed more character second half Their second goal killed it, we were looking like winning it up until then Their second goal killed it? no - bringing off Barton and Guthrie and leaving Butt on the pitch killed it. 4-5-1 killed it. going to play devils advocate and switch it slightly, i hate Butt as much as the next person but the abuse and blame is getting dafter. We were poor going forward and weren't creating much, from what i've seen from watching Newcastle and Guthrie & Barton, those 2 are supposedly two of our creative players, as we weren't creating much perhaps the manager thought it better to leave the defensive midfielder ON the pitch and replace the 2 so called creative players who were creating FUCK ALL!!? just a thought but no doubt it'll still be Butts fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Tbh our whole midfield has been poor this season. Maybe bar Reading and a glimpse of quality from Guthrie against Leicester. It's a joke really, and if we go up we need major investment in that midfield as it would get torn apart in the Premier League. Nolan's looked horrendously unfit, Barton looks like he couldn't be f***ed, Smith's done his job, and Guthrie's not had much of a chance. Smith and Guthrie central and Barton behind the front man is how this midfield three should be, but it's so impossibly obvious Hughton can't see it. Might as well make it all too difficult for no reason. He's making it difficult because we have no wingers and he has to compensate for this. The fact is he just doesn't want to drop Nolan and now he won't be able to bring himself to drop Butt. The likes of Lua Lua could easily be put out on that wing and his pace and unpredictability would be a breath of fresh air and would at the very least give us another gear out there. I really like Hughton but he is bottling it. Huge shame. whenever lua lua has came on for the first team he's looked lost with lots of running going nowhere. i'd probably rather have geremi in away games. Very good point about Geremi. Can you believe that as bad as our midfield is he doesn't even get a look in. How can you justify playing Butt or Nolan ahead of him? But hey Geremi seems like a pretty cheerful bloke that won't complain too much or make too much of a fuss if he gets shafted, so yeah let's stick him on the bench why don't we. Very weak from Hughton really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 To the kneejerkers: we lost, get over it. We will win on Saturday. Were you lot screaming "Keegan out" when we lost to Grimsby in 1992? Yeah I chanted it from within the womb. Then listen to the voice of experience The voice of experience is the reason Butt is out there right now. Do anything but listen to the voice of experience. Experience is a word I have come to despise because of this team of ours. Butt, Nolan, etc. Yeah they'll do a job with all that experience won't they. Nonsense. As Sewelly picked up on, I was being facetious. But hey ho... Is that the Nolan who's done pretty well so far this season? Has Alan Smith's "experience" not helped us this season so far? Nonsense? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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