Ipswich Town 0 - 4 Newcastle United - 26/09/09 - post match reaction from p24

[Mowen]

Bowyer was a fucking rubbish signing, tbh. Never did anything of note in his time here: see Barton, in fact.

 

Impossible to argue with so far. Many similarities really, not least the baggage they bring off the pitch far outweighing their contributions on it. Bowyer at least chipped in with the odd goal tbf.

[Guest Heneage]

Bowyer was a f***ing rubbish signing, tbh. Never did anything of note in his time here: see Barton, in fact.

 

Impossible to argue with so far. Many similarities really, not least the baggage they bring off the pitch far outweighing their contributions on it. Bowyer at least chipped in with the odd goal tbf.

Not till near the end post the fight with Dyer when they both pulled their fingers out.

[Mowen]

Bowyer was a f***ing rubbish signing, tbh. Never did anything of note in his time here: see Barton, in fact.

 

Impossible to argue with so far. Many similarities really, not least the baggage they bring off the pitch far outweighing their contributions on it. Bowyer at least chipped in with the odd goal tbf.

Not till near the end post the fight with Dyer when they both pulled their fingers out.

 

Chipped in with a couple before then I think...off the top of my head Pompey at home, Deportivo (I think? In a 1-1 away in Europe anyway) away. I assume 1 or 2 I've forgotten about. Barton's only ever scored penalties for us.

[UV]

It was Speed's goal threat midfield that we missed sorely as we all know that Butt is hardly Gerrard esque when it comes to plundering goals from midfield.

 

Wasn't the argument at the time though, that with Robert, Ambrose, Viana, Dyer, Jenas & Bowyer, we needed someone in the "holding role".

 

Speed was still more of a goal threat than all but Robert from that list even when he left though. Dyer had his moments I guess.

 

He was hardly prolific when he left though, and nor was he for Bolton for a couple of seasons. He was slowing down, and at almost 35 it's not hard to see why you'd want to think about replacing him with someone younger (but mature enough for the responsibility of the role) when you're a team attempting to get into the top 4.

 

97-98 Newcastle United 1 Goals, 13 Games (-)

98-99 Newcastle United 4 Goals, 38 Games (-)

99-00 Newcastle United 9 Goals, 36 Games 1 Goals, 2 Games (UEFA Cup)

00-01 Newcastle United 5 Goals, 35 Games (-) 1 Goals, 7 Games

01-02 Newcastle United 5 Goals, 29 Games (-) 1 Games

02-03 Newcastle United 2 Goals, 24 Games 1 Goals, 11 Games (Champions League)

03-04 Newcastle United 3 Goals, 38 Games 2+11 Games (Champions League+UEFA Cup)

04-05 Bolton 1 Goals, 38 Games (-)

05-06 Bolton 4 Goals, 31 Games 5 Games (UEFA Cup)

06-07 Bolton 8 Goals, 38 Games (-)

 

A lot of hindsight and a certain amount of rewriting of history going on in the last couple of pages.

Like Robson himself, just because the replacement didn't work out doesn't mean the decision to get rid was wrong.

[Guest BooBoo]

You can always bank on some bore to break out the stats.

[UV]

You can always bank on some bore to break out the stats.

 

booooooooooo - not yooooo gary - boooooooo?

[Guest BlacknWhiteArmy]

Bowyer was a f***ing rubbish signing, tbh. Never did anything of note in his time here: see Barton, in fact.

 

The only real good game he had was that 3-1 win at home against Tottenham. He was immense

[Guest Heneage]

Bowyer was a f***ing rubbish signing, tbh. Never did anything of note in his time here: see Barton, in fact.

 

Impossible to argue with so far. Many similarities really, not least the baggage they bring off the pitch far outweighing their contributions on it. Bowyer at least chipped in with the odd goal tbf.

Not till near the end post the fight with Dyer when they both pulled their fingers out.

 

Chipped in with a couple before then I think...off the top of my head Pompey at home, Deportivo (I think? In a 1-1 away in Europe anyway) away. I assume 1 or 2 I've forgotten about. Barton's only ever scored penalties for us.

Was that not post fight? I remember goal against Olympiakos at home.

[Mowen]

It was Speed's goal threat midfield that we missed sorely as we all know that Butt is hardly Gerrard esque when it comes to plundering goals from midfield.

 

Wasn't the argument at the time though, that with Robert, Ambrose, Viana, Dyer, Jenas & Bowyer, we needed someone in the "holding role".

 

Speed was still more of a goal threat than all but Robert from that list even when he left though. Dyer had his moments I guess.

 

He was hardly prolific when he left though, and nor was he for Bolton for a couple of seasons. He was slowing down, and at almost 35 it's not hard to see why you'd want to think about replacing him with someone younger (but mature enough for the responsibility of the role) when you're a team attempting to get into the top 4.

 

<snip>

 

A lot of hindsight and a certain amount of rewriting of history going on in the last couple of pages.

Like Robson himself, just because the replacement didn't work out doesn't mean the decision to get rid was wrong.

 

Snipped the stats to shorten the quote pyramid. Yes, he wasn't so much of a goal threat and had slowed down a lot, but he offered more than most. He was powerful in the air and, although he got forward less and less, knew his way around the penalty area and certainly offered a threat when he was going forward.

 

He ultimately needed replacing and I was very happy for a competitor for his place to come in, but the idea to actually get rid of him was nonsensical imo. He was a very experienced head combined with still being a decent player, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was getting more and more involved in the coaching aspect given what he's done since he left. He would have been vital in the continued development of the so called brat pack, there's a hell of a lot the likes of Bowyer, Dyer and Jenas could and would have learnt from him; at the very least he was a top pro who kept himself in shape and worked very hard. He would have continued to be a big asset for the club even if not playing as much.

[Mowen]

Bowyer was a f***ing rubbish signing, tbh. Never did anything of note in his time here: see Barton, in fact.

 

Impossible to argue with so far. Many similarities really, not least the baggage they bring off the pitch far outweighing their contributions on it. Bowyer at least chipped in with the odd goal tbf.

Not till near the end post the fight with Dyer when they both pulled their fingers out.

 

Chipped in with a couple before then I think...off the top of my head Pompey at home, Deportivo (I think? In a 1-1 away in Europe anyway) away. I assume 1 or 2 I've forgotten about. Barton's only ever scored penalties for us.

Was that not post fight? I remember goal against Olympiakos at home.

 

Think you're right actually. Still contributed more than Barton.

[TRon]

It was Speed's goal threat midfield that we missed sorely as we all know that Butt is hardly Gerrard esque when it comes to plundering goals from midfield.

 

Wasn't the argument at the time though, that with Robert, Ambrose, Viana, Dyer, Jenas & Bowyer, we needed someone in the "holding role".

 

Speed was still more of a goal threat than all but Robert from that list even when he left though. Dyer had his moments I guess.

 

He was hardly prolific when he left though, and nor was he for Bolton for a couple of seasons. He was slowing down, and at almost 35 it's not hard to see why you'd want to think about replacing him with someone younger (but mature enough for the responsibility of the role) when you're a team attempting to get into the top 4.

 

<snip>

 

A lot of hindsight and a certain amount of rewriting of history going on in the last couple of pages.

Like Robson himself, just because the replacement didn't work out doesn't mean the decision to get rid was wrong.

 

Snipped the stats to shorten the quote pyramid. Yes, he wasn't so much of a goal threat and had slowed down a lot, but he offered more than most. He was powerful in the air and, although he got forward less and less, knew his way around the penalty area and certainly offered a threat when he was going forward.

 

He ultimately needed replacing and I was very happy for a competitor for his place to come in, but the idea to actually get rid of him was nonsensical imo. He was a very experienced head combined with still being a decent player, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was getting more and more involved in the coaching aspect given what he's done since he left. He would have been vital in the continued development of the so called brat pack, there's a hell of a lot the likes of Bowyer, Dyer and Jenas could and would have learnt from him; at the very least he was a top pro who kept himself in shape and worked very hard. He would have continued to be a big asset for the club even if not playing as much.

 

If you are going to have Alan Shearer in your side it can work, but you have to have players around him who will compensate for his lack of pace. Robson did this with Bellamy, Dyer and Robert, and Keegan also before that. Dalglish's teams especially stick in my mind as built on solid players with no flair, and in those type of teams Shearer could look impotent.

[Guest]

It was Speed's goal threat midfield that we missed sorely as we all know that Butt is hardly Gerrard esque when it comes to plundering goals from midfield.

 

Wasn't the argument at the time though, that with Robert, Ambrose, Viana, Dyer, Jenas & Bowyer, we needed someone in the "holding role".

 

Speed was still more of a goal threat than all but Robert from that list even when he left though. Dyer had his moments I guess.

 

He was hardly prolific when he left though, and nor was he for Bolton for a couple of seasons. He was slowing down, and at almost 35 it's not hard to see why you'd want to think about replacing him with someone younger (but mature enough for the responsibility of the role) when you're a team attempting to get into the top 4.

 

<snip>

 

A lot of hindsight and a certain amount of rewriting of history going on in the last couple of pages.

Like Robson himself, just because the replacement didn't work out doesn't mean the decision to get rid was wrong.

 

Snipped the stats to shorten the quote pyramid. Yes, he wasn't so much of a goal threat and had slowed down a lot, but he offered more than most. He was powerful in the air and, although he got forward less and less, knew his way around the penalty area and certainly offered a threat when he was going forward.

 

He ultimately needed replacing and I was very happy for a competitor for his place to come in, but the idea to actually get rid of him was nonsensical imo. He was a very experienced head combined with still being a decent player, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was getting more and more involved in the coaching aspect given what he's done since he left. He would have been vital in the continued development of the so called brat pack, there's a hell of a lot the likes of Bowyer, Dyer and Jenas could and would have learnt from him; at the very least he was a top pro who kept himself in shape and worked very hard. He would have continued to be a big asset for the club even if not playing as much.

 

If you are going to have Alan Shearer in your side it can work, but you have to have players around him who will compensate for his lack of pace. Robson did this with Bellamy, Dyer and Robert, and Keegan also before that. Dalglish's teams especially stick in my mind as built on solid players with no flair, and in those type of teams Shearer could look impotent.

 

He still scored around 20 goals in the one full season under Dalglish.

[Ronaldo]

Speed was defensively sound but an exceptional passer of the ball too, which is one of many we lacked from 04 onwards.

 

Speed was also the organiser of the midfield which lacked tactical displine from the off in 04-05, I still cannot believe we let the guy go tbh. Age was a fact but he was in better physical condition than Shearer and showed fewer signs of deteriorating that him.

[Ronaldo]

Bowyer was a f***ing rubbish signing, tbh. Never did anything of note in his time here: see Barton, in fact.

 

Impossible to argue with so far. Many similarities really, not least the baggage they bring off the pitch far outweighing their contributions on it. Bowyer at least chipped in with the odd goal tbf.

Not till near the end post the fight with Dyer when they both pulled their fingers out.

 

Chipped in with a couple before then I think...off the top of my head Pompey at home, Deportivo (I think? In a 1-1 away in Europe anyway) away. I assume 1 or 2 I've forgotten about. Barton's only ever scored penalties for us.

Was that not post fight? I remember goal against Olympiakos at home.

 

Think you're right actually. Still contributed more than Barton.

 

His excellent volley against Deportivo was in July 2005, a few months after the fight. After the game, both Shepherd and Souness gave a collective statement about Bowyer being a 'great player' and not leaving

[Tooj]

It was Speed's goal threat midfield that we missed sorely as we all know that Butt is hardly Gerrard esque when it comes to plundering goals from midfield.

 

Wasn't the argument at the time though, that with Robert, Ambrose, Viana, Dyer, Jenas & Bowyer, we needed someone in the "holding role".

 

Speed was still more of a goal threat than all but Robert from that list even when he left though. Dyer had his moments I guess.

 

He was hardly prolific when he left though, and nor was he for Bolton for a couple of seasons. He was slowing down, and at almost 35 it's not hard to see why you'd want to think about replacing him with someone younger (but mature enough for the responsibility of the role) when you're a team attempting to get into the top 4.

 

<snip>

 

A lot of hindsight and a certain amount of rewriting of history going on in the last couple of pages.

Like Robson himself, just because the replacement didn't work out doesn't mean the decision to get rid was wrong.

 

Snipped the stats to shorten the quote pyramid. Yes, he wasn't so much of a goal threat and had slowed down a lot, but he offered more than most. He was powerful in the air and, although he got forward less and less, knew his way around the penalty area and certainly offered a threat when he was going forward.

 

He ultimately needed replacing and I was very happy for a competitor for his place to come in, but the idea to actually get rid of him was nonsensical imo. He was a very experienced head combined with still being a decent player, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was getting more and more involved in the coaching aspect given what he's done since he left. He would have been vital in the continued development of the so called brat pack, there's a hell of a lot the likes of Bowyer, Dyer and Jenas could and would have learnt from him; at the very least he was a top pro who kept himself in shape and worked very hard. He would have continued to be a big asset for the club even if not playing as much.

 

If you are going to have Alan Shearer in your side it can work, but you have to have players around him who will compensate for his lack of pace. Robson did this with Bellamy, Dyer and Robert, and Keegan also before that. Dalglish's teams especially stick in my mind as built on solid players with no flair, and in those type of teams Shearer could look impotent.

 

I think it took him a while to fully recover from that ankle injury as well.

[TRon]

It was Speed's goal threat midfield that we missed sorely as we all know that Butt is hardly Gerrard esque when it comes to plundering goals from midfield.

 

Wasn't the argument at the time though, that with Robert, Ambrose, Viana, Dyer, Jenas & Bowyer, we needed someone in the "holding role".

 

Speed was still more of a goal threat than all but Robert from that list even when he left though. Dyer had his moments I guess.

 

He was hardly prolific when he left though, and nor was he for Bolton for a couple of seasons. He was slowing down, and at almost 35 it's not hard to see why you'd want to think about replacing him with someone younger (but mature enough for the responsibility of the role) when you're a team attempting to get into the top 4.

 

<snip>

 

A lot of hindsight and a certain amount of rewriting of history going on in the last couple of pages.

Like Robson himself, just because the replacement didn't work out doesn't mean the decision to get rid was wrong.

 

Snipped the stats to shorten the quote pyramid. Yes, he wasn't so much of a goal threat and had slowed down a lot, but he offered more than most. He was powerful in the air and, although he got forward less and less, knew his way around the penalty area and certainly offered a threat when he was going forward.

 

He ultimately needed replacing and I was very happy for a competitor for his place to come in, but the idea to actually get rid of him was nonsensical imo. He was a very experienced head combined with still being a decent player, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was getting more and more involved in the coaching aspect given what he's done since he left. He would have been vital in the continued development of the so called brat pack, there's a hell of a lot the likes of Bowyer, Dyer and Jenas could and would have learnt from him; at the very least he was a top pro who kept himself in shape and worked very hard. He would have continued to be a big asset for the club even if not playing as much.

 

If you are going to have Alan Shearer in your side it can work, but you have to have players around him who will compensate for his lack of pace. Robson did this with Bellamy, Dyer and Robert, and Keegan also before that. Dalglish's teams especially stick in my mind as built on solid players with no flair, and in those type of teams Shearer could look impotent.

 

He still scored around 20 goals in the one full season under Dalglish.

 

Well as you know, my memory is trashed from that far back, but I recall Dalglish did well while Keegan's players were still around, but once he brought in his own grafter type players we became less and less potent as an attacking force. Who were the midfielders in that season, any idea?

 

[Guest]

Glass, Speed, Hamann, Lee, Batty, Gillespie, Ketsbaia...

[Tooj]

It was Speed's goal threat midfield that we missed sorely as we all know that Butt is hardly Gerrard esque when it comes to plundering goals from midfield.

 

Wasn't the argument at the time though, that with Robert, Ambrose, Viana, Dyer, Jenas & Bowyer, we needed someone in the "holding role".

 

Speed was still more of a goal threat than all but Robert from that list even when he left though. Dyer had his moments I guess.

 

He was hardly prolific when he left though, and nor was he for Bolton for a couple of seasons. He was slowing down, and at almost 35 it's not hard to see why you'd want to think about replacing him with someone younger (but mature enough for the responsibility of the role) when you're a team attempting to get into the top 4.

 

<snip>

 

A lot of hindsight and a certain amount of rewriting of history going on in the last couple of pages.

Like Robson himself, just because the replacement didn't work out doesn't mean the decision to get rid was wrong.

 

Snipped the stats to shorten the quote pyramid. Yes, he wasn't so much of a goal threat and had slowed down a lot, but he offered more than most. He was powerful in the air and, although he got forward less and less, knew his way around the penalty area and certainly offered a threat when he was going forward.

 

He ultimately needed replacing and I was very happy for a competitor for his place to come in, but the idea to actually get rid of him was nonsensical imo. He was a very experienced head combined with still being a decent player, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was getting more and more involved in the coaching aspect given what he's done since he left. He would have been vital in the continued development of the so called brat pack, there's a hell of a lot the likes of Bowyer, Dyer and Jenas could and would have learnt from him; at the very least he was a top pro who kept himself in shape and worked very hard. He would have continued to be a big asset for the club even if not playing as much.

 

If you are going to have Alan Shearer in your side it can work, but you have to have players around him who will compensate for his lack of pace. Robson did this with Bellamy, Dyer and Robert, and Keegan also before that. Dalglish's teams especially stick in my mind as built on solid players with no flair, and in those type of teams Shearer could look impotent.

 

He still scored around 20 goals in the one full season under Dalglish.

 

Well as you know, my memory is trashed from that far back, but I recall Dalglish did well while Keegan's players were still around, but once he brought in his own grafter type players we became less and less potent as an attacking force. Who were the midfielders in that season, any idea?

 

 

We definitely did become less potent as an attacking force. But that year Shearer had his injury and was very poor in the league when he came back, we'd lost Ferdinand, Asprilla, Bearsdley (who was at the end anyway) and an unhappy Ginola. Although in his time for us Dalglish bought us some very good players. What factored against Dalglish was simply that he was the opposite of Keegan.

[TRon]

Glass, Speed, Hamann, Lee, Batty, Gillespie, Ketsbaia...

 

That's my point, only one creative player in that lot, Gillespie, and he was a Keegan signing, so was Lee who you could include at a push.

[Guest]

Hamann was much more of an attacking force for us in that season than he ever was at Liverpool.

[TRon]

It was Speed's goal threat midfield that we missed sorely as we all know that Butt is hardly Gerrard esque when it comes to plundering goals from midfield.

 

Wasn't the argument at the time though, that with Robert, Ambrose, Viana, Dyer, Jenas & Bowyer, we needed someone in the "holding role".

 

Speed was still more of a goal threat than all but Robert from that list even when he left though. Dyer had his moments I guess.

 

He was hardly prolific when he left though, and nor was he for Bolton for a couple of seasons. He was slowing down, and at almost 35 it's not hard to see why you'd want to think about replacing him with someone younger (but mature enough for the responsibility of the role) when you're a team attempting to get into the top 4.

 

<snip>

 

A lot of hindsight and a certain amount of rewriting of history going on in the last couple of pages.

Like Robson himself, just because the replacement didn't work out doesn't mean the decision to get rid was wrong.

 

Snipped the stats to shorten the quote pyramid. Yes, he wasn't so much of a goal threat and had slowed down a lot, but he offered more than most. He was powerful in the air and, although he got forward less and less, knew his way around the penalty area and certainly offered a threat when he was going forward.

 

He ultimately needed replacing and I was very happy for a competitor for his place to come in, but the idea to actually get rid of him was nonsensical imo. He was a very experienced head combined with still being a decent player, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was getting more and more involved in the coaching aspect given what he's done since he left. He would have been vital in the continued development of the so called brat pack, there's a hell of a lot the likes of Bowyer, Dyer and Jenas could and would have learnt from him; at the very least he was a top pro who kept himself in shape and worked very hard. He would have continued to be a big asset for the club even if not playing as much.

 

If you are going to have Alan Shearer in your side it can work, but you have to have players around him who will compensate for his lack of pace. Robson did this with Bellamy, Dyer and Robert, and Keegan also before that. Dalglish's teams especially stick in my mind as built on solid players with no flair, and in those type of teams Shearer could look impotent.

 

He still scored around 20 goals in the one full season under Dalglish.

 

Well as you know, my memory is trashed from that far back, but I recall Dalglish did well while Keegan's players were still around, but once he brought in his own grafter type players we became less and less potent as an attacking force. Who were the midfielders in that season, any idea?

 

 

We definitely did become less potent as an attacking force. But that year Shearer had his injury and was very poor in the league when he came back, we'd lost Ferdinand, Asprilla, Bearsdley (who was at the end anyway) and an unhappy Ginola. Although in his time for us Dalglish bought us some very good players. What factored against Dalglish was simply that he was the opposite of Keegan.

 

Dalglish didn't buy bad players I agree, but those players didn't make a good team, there wasn't any flair or attacking instinct there and for that he has to take the blame. Fans aren't daft and they didn't start chanting "Attack, attack...attack, attack, attack!" beacuse they suddenly all had collective brain farts. The most effective Shearer I saw was in SBR's team paired with Bellamy along with players like Robert, Dyer and Solano.

[Tooj]

Hamann was much more of an attacking force for us in that season than he ever was at Liverpool.

 

Yup. And look at the players above, we'd only lost Ginola and Clark. Yet replaced them with Speed (not straight away) and Hamann. You could argue that was an upgrade, as at the time Speed was a left-midfielder (not as much creativity as Ginola who didn't want to be here and it showed) yet he offered more balance to a side of the pitch that was weak defensively. And Hamann was a class act.

[Ronaldo]

Arsenal (h) 1998-99

 

He was like Gerrard in that game

[TRon]

Hamann was much more of an attacking force for us in that season than he ever was at Liverpool.

 

Good player but the fact liverpool used him as a holding midfielder says it best.

[Tooj]

It was Speed's goal threat midfield that we missed sorely as we all know that Butt is hardly Gerrard esque when it comes to plundering goals from midfield.

 

Wasn't the argument at the time though, that with Robert, Ambrose, Viana, Dyer, Jenas & Bowyer, we needed someone in the "holding role".

 

Speed was still more of a goal threat than all but Robert from that list even when he left though. Dyer had his moments I guess.

 

He was hardly prolific when he left though, and nor was he for Bolton for a couple of seasons. He was slowing down, and at almost 35 it's not hard to see why you'd want to think about replacing him with someone younger (but mature enough for the responsibility of the role) when you're a team attempting to get into the top 4.

 

<snip>

 

A lot of hindsight and a certain amount of rewriting of history going on in the last couple of pages.

Like Robson himself, just because the replacement didn't work out doesn't mean the decision to get rid was wrong.

 

Snipped the stats to shorten the quote pyramid. Yes, he wasn't so much of a goal threat and had slowed down a lot, but he offered more than most. He was powerful in the air and, although he got forward less and less, knew his way around the penalty area and certainly offered a threat when he was going forward.

 

He ultimately needed replacing and I was very happy for a competitor for his place to come in, but the idea to actually get rid of him was nonsensical imo. He was a very experienced head combined with still being a decent player, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was getting more and more involved in the coaching aspect given what he's done since he left. He would have been vital in the continued development of the so called brat pack, there's a hell of a lot the likes of Bowyer, Dyer and Jenas could and would have learnt from him; at the very least he was a top pro who kept himself in shape and worked very hard. He would have continued to be a big asset for the club even if not playing as much.

 

If you are going to have Alan Shearer in your side it can work, but you have to have players around him who will compensate for his lack of pace. Robson did this with Bellamy, Dyer and Robert, and Keegan also before that. Dalglish's teams especially stick in my mind as built on solid players with no flair, and in those type of teams Shearer could look impotent.

 

He still scored around 20 goals in the one full season under Dalglish.

 

Well as you know, my memory is trashed from that far back, but I recall Dalglish did well while Keegan's players were still around, but once he brought in his own grafter type players we became less and less potent as an attacking force. Who were the midfielders in that season, any idea?

 

 

We definitely did become less potent as an attacking force. But that year Shearer had his injury and was very poor in the league when he came back, we'd lost Ferdinand, Asprilla, Bearsdley (who was at the end anyway) and an unhappy Ginola. Although in his time for us Dalglish bought us some very good players. What factored against Dalglish was simply that he was the opposite of Keegan.

 

Dalglish didn't buy bad players I agree, but those players didn't make a good team, there wasn't any flair or attacking instinct there and for that he has to take the blame. Fans aren't daft and they didn't start chanting "Attack, attack...attack, attack, attack!" beacuse they suddenly all had collective brain farts. The most effective Shearer I saw was in SBR's team paired with Bellamy along with players like Robert, Dyer and Solano.

 

Who bought Nobby?