Newcastle United 0 - 0 Derby County - 28/12/09 - post match reaction from p12

[Jayson]

Good post chris 

[Dave]

I don't normally post on here so don't shoot me down in flames if you don't agree with my opinions regular posters. I don't normally get to go to games due to me living and working abroad, but I managed to get home to Newcastle this xmas so took the opportunity to take my 2 boys to their 1st ever game at St James Park, they are born and bred in the USA, play football (or soccer as they call it) and due to the influence of me are black and white through and through. They had a great experience tonight but I just wish they had of seen a Newcastle United team that would have made that first visit even more enjoyable.

 

Tonight I think Chris Hughton got some of his substitutions massively wrong. The game was crying out for a player to put there foot on the ball in the middle of the park and actually look to make things happen, the only player in the squad capable of doing that in my opinion is Danny Guthrie, I think himself and Alan Smith would compliment each other very well. So if I were Chris Hughton I would have taken Peter Lovenkrands off and replaced him with Guthrie with Nolan pushing in a more advanced role. Secondly what was the point in taking Ryan Taylor off, all night long he provided decent delivery into the box, surely due to the fact we were winning many corners and free kicks in good areas it would have been worthwhile to keep him on. Lastly Hughton is bringing Ranger onto the field far too late in games.......the boy nearly won it for us in the end. Maybe the last two games are proof that our luck and "doing just enough" in games has worn off. Also I think Pancrate is stunting the development of players such as Lua Lua as for me he offers nothing in the games I have seen over this Holiday period. Yes he scored a fantastic goal v Watford, but looking at the bigger picture is probably no better than some of our youngsters.

 

Obviously Hughton doesnt trust Guthrie in that central role, so he needs to make it a priority to get someone who can run games for us and create. Its going to be hard with the budget he has but that creative playmaker and NOT a centre half should be his transfer priority.

 

Spot on with pretty much all of that IMO. Glad your lads had a good time.

[Crumpy Gunt]

Should have f***ing murdered that s**** today. Ryan Taylor and Lovenkrands guilty of two shocking misses. Shola looked appalling when he came on.

 

 

Care to refresh my memory?

 

A header straight at the 'keeper.

[Jill]

I don't normally post on here so don't shoot me down in flames if you don't agree with my opinions regular posters. I don't normally get to go to games due to me living and working abroad, but I managed to get home to Newcastle this xmas so took the opportunity to take my 2 boys to their 1st ever game at St James Park, they are born and bred in the USA, play football (or soccer as they call it) and due to the influence of me are black and white through and through. They had a great experience tonight but I just wish they had of seen a Newcastle United team that would have made that first visit even more enjoyable.

 

Tonight I think Chris Hughton got some of his substitutions massively wrong. The game was crying out for a player to put there foot on the ball in the middle of the park and actually look to make things happen, the only player in the squad capable of doing that in my opinion is Danny Guthrie, I think himself and Alan Smith would compliment each other very well. So if I were Chris Hughton I would have taken Peter Lovenkrands off and replaced him with Guthrie with Nolan pushing in a more advanced role. Secondly what was the point in taking Ryan Taylor off, all night long he provided decent delivery into the box, surely due to the fact we were winning many corners and free kicks in good areas it would have been worthwhile to keep him on. Lastly Hughton is bringing Ranger onto the field far too late in games.......the boy nearly won it for us in the end. Maybe the last two games are proof that our luck and "doing just enough" in games has worn off. Also I think Pancrate is stunting the development of players such as Lua Lua as for me he offers nothing in the games I have seen over this Holiday period. Yes he scored a fantastic goal v Watford, but looking at the bigger picture is probably no better than some of our youngsters.

 

Obviously Hughton doesnt trust Guthrie in that central role, so he needs to make it a priority to get someone who can run games for us and create. Its going to be hard with the budget he has but that creative playmaker and NOT a centre half should be his transfer priority.

 

Spot on with pretty much all of that IMO. Glad your lads had a good time.

 

This. 

[Pilko]

I don't normally post on here so don't shoot me down in flames if you don't agree with my opinions regular posters. I don't normally get to go to games due to me living and working abroad, but I managed to get home to Newcastle this xmas so took the opportunity to take my 2 boys to their 1st ever game at St James Park, they are born and bred in the USA, play football (or soccer as they call it) and due to the influence of me are black and white through and through. They had a great experience tonight but I just wish they had of seen a Newcastle United team that would have made that first visit even more enjoyable.

 

Tonight I think Chris Hughton got some of his substitutions massively wrong. The game was crying out for a player to put there foot on the ball in the middle of the park and actually look to make things happen, the only player in the squad capable of doing that in my opinion is Danny Guthrie, I think himself and Alan Smith would compliment each other very well. So if I were Chris Hughton I would have taken Peter Lovenkrands off and replaced him with Guthrie with Nolan pushing in a more advanced role. Secondly what was the point in taking Ryan Taylor off, all night long he provided decent delivery into the box, surely due to the fact we were winning many corners and free kicks in good areas it would have been worthwhile to keep him on. Lastly Hughton is bringing Ranger onto the field far too late in games.......the boy nearly won it for us in the end. Maybe the last two games are proof that our luck and "doing just enough" in games has worn off. Also I think Pancrate is stunting the development of players such as Lua Lua as for me he offers nothing in the games I have seen over this Holiday period. Yes he scored a fantastic goal v Watford, but looking at the bigger picture is probably no better than some of our youngsters.

 

Obviously Hughton doesnt trust Guthrie in that central role, so he needs to make it a priority to get someone who can run games for us and create. Its going to be hard with the budget he has but that creative playmaker and NOT a centre half should be his transfer priority.

 

Spot on with pretty much all of that IMO. Glad your lads had a good time.

 

I agree with all of it except for the bit about Pancrate and LuaLua. I think Hughton just doesn't fancy Kazenga, and to be honest he's been piss poor in the few appearances he's made lately. Pancrate looks good to me, although he's clearly a home player.

[Joe_F]

I don't normally post on here so don't shoot me down in flames if you don't agree with my opinions regular posters. I don't normally get to go to games due to me living and working abroad, but I managed to get home to Newcastle this xmas so took the opportunity to take my 2 boys to their 1st ever game at St James Park, they are born and bred in the USA, play football (or soccer as they call it) and due to the influence of me are black and white through and through. They had a great experience tonight but I just wish they had of seen a Newcastle United team that would have made that first visit even more enjoyable.

 

Tonight I think Chris Hughton got some of his substitutions massively wrong. The game was crying out for a player to put there foot on the ball in the middle of the park and actually look to make things happen, the only player in the squad capable of doing that in my opinion is Danny Guthrie, I think himself and Alan Smith would compliment each other very well. So if I were Chris Hughton I would have taken Peter Lovenkrands off and replaced him with Guthrie with Nolan pushing in a more advanced role. Secondly what was the point in taking Ryan Taylor off, all night long he provided decent delivery into the box, surely due to the fact we were winning many corners and free kicks in good areas it would have been worthwhile to keep him on. Lastly Hughton is bringing Ranger onto the field far too late in games.......the boy nearly won it for us in the end. Maybe the last two games are proof that our luck and "doing just enough" in games has worn off. Also I think Pancrate is stunting the development of players such as Lua Lua as for me he offers nothing in the games I have seen over this Holiday period. Yes he scored a fantastic goal v Watford, but looking at the bigger picture is probably no better than some of our youngsters.

 

Obviously Hughton doesnt trust Guthrie in that central role, so he needs to make it a priority to get someone who can run games for us and create. Its going to be hard with the budget he has but that creative playmaker and NOT a centre half should be his transfer priority.

 

 

 

[Guest The_Scoreboard]

I still can't get over Nolan's as well. He was through on goal, this is the player that everything he randomly hits ends up in the back of the net atm and he hesitated; he f***ing hesitated! I couldn't believe it.

 

he had 2 chances either side of the box if i remember right where he could have just pulled the trigger across the goal (like against Doncaster i think it was).

[Kaizero]

I don't normally post on here so don't shoot me down in flames if you don't agree with my opinions regular posters. I don't normally get to go to games due to me living and working abroad, but I managed to get home to Newcastle this xmas so took the opportunity to take my 2 boys to their 1st ever game at St James Park, they are born and bred in the USA, play football (or soccer as they call it) and due to the influence of me are black and white through and through. They had a great experience tonight but I just wish they had of seen a Newcastle United team that would have made that first visit even more enjoyable.

 

Tonight I think Chris Hughton got some of his substitutions massively wrong. The game was crying out for a player to put there foot on the ball in the middle of the park and actually look to make things happen, the only player in the squad capable of doing that in my opinion is Danny Guthrie, I think himself and Alan Smith would compliment each other very well. So if I were Chris Hughton I would have taken Peter Lovenkrands off and replaced him with Guthrie with Nolan pushing in a more advanced role. Secondly what was the point in taking Ryan Taylor off, all night long he provided decent delivery into the box, surely due to the fact we were winning many corners and free kicks in good areas it would have been worthwhile to keep him on. Lastly Hughton is bringing Ranger onto the field far too late in games.......the boy nearly won it for us in the end. Maybe the last two games are proof that our luck and "doing just enough" in games has worn off. Also I think Pancrate is stunting the development of players such as Lua Lua as for me he offers nothing in the games I have seen over this Holiday period. Yes he scored a fantastic goal v Watford, but looking at the bigger picture is probably no better than some of our youngsters.

 

Obviously Hughton doesnt trust Guthrie in that central role, so he needs to make it a priority to get someone who can run games for us and create. Its going to be hard with the budget he has but that creative playmaker and NOT a centre half should be his transfer priority.

 

Spot on with most of that, mate You should start posting here more often, glad your boys had a good time, as Dave already said.

[Mick]

I don't normally post on here so don't shoot me down in flames if you don't agree with my opinions regular posters. I don't normally get to go to games due to me living and working abroad, but I managed to get home to Newcastle this xmas so took the opportunity to take my 2 boys to their 1st ever game at St James Park, they are born and bred in the USA, play football (or soccer as they call it) and due to the influence of me are black and white through and through. They had a great experience tonight but I just wish they had of seen a Newcastle United team that would have made that first visit even more enjoyable.

 

Tonight I think Chris Hughton got some of his substitutions massively wrong. The game was crying out for a player to put there foot on the ball in the middle of the park and actually look to make things happen, the only player in the squad capable of doing that in my opinion is Danny Guthrie, I think himself and Alan Smith would compliment each other very well. So if I were Chris Hughton I would have taken Peter Lovenkrands off and replaced him with Guthrie with Nolan pushing in a more advanced role. Secondly what was the point in taking Ryan Taylor off, all night long he provided decent delivery into the box, surely due to the fact we were winning many corners and free kicks in good areas it would have been worthwhile to keep him on. Lastly Hughton is bringing Ranger onto the field far too late in games.......the boy nearly won it for us in the end. Maybe the last two games are proof that our luck and "doing just enough" in games has worn off. Also I think Pancrate is stunting the development of players such as Lua Lua as for me he offers nothing in the games I have seen over this Holiday period. Yes he scored a fantastic goal v Watford, but looking at the bigger picture is probably no better than some of our youngsters.

 

Obviously Hughton doesnt trust Guthrie in that central role, so he needs to make it a priority to get someone who can run games for us and create. Its going to be hard with the budget he has but that creative playmaker and NOT a centre half should be his transfer priority.

 

You should post more and I've only read your first two lines.

[Chris Banaloona]

I don't normally post on here so don't shoot me down in flames if you don't agree with my opinions regular posters. I don't normally get to go to games due to me living and working abroad, but I managed to get home to Newcastle this xmas so took the opportunity to take my 2 boys to their 1st ever game at St James Park, they are born and bred in the USA, play football (or soccer as they call it) and due to the influence of me are black and white through and through. They had a great experience tonight but I just wish they had of seen a Newcastle United team that would have made that first visit even more enjoyable.

 

Tonight I think Chris Hughton got some of his substitutions massively wrong. The game was crying out for a player to put there foot on the ball in the middle of the park and actually look to make things happen, the only player in the squad capable of doing that in my opinion is Danny Guthrie, I think himself and Alan Smith would compliment each other very well. So if I were Chris Hughton I would have taken Peter Lovenkrands off and replaced him with Guthrie with Nolan pushing in a more advanced role. Secondly what was the point in taking Ryan Taylor off, all night long he provided decent delivery into the box, surely due to the fact we were winning many corners and free kicks in good areas it would have been worthwhile to keep him on. Lastly Hughton is bringing Ranger onto the field far too late in games.......the boy nearly won it for us in the end. Maybe the last two games are proof that our luck and "doing just enough" in games has worn off. Also I think Pancrate is stunting the development of players such as Lua Lua as for me he offers nothing in the games I have seen over this Holiday period. Yes he scored a fantastic goal v Watford, but looking at the bigger picture is probably no better than some of our youngsters.

 

Obviously Hughton doesnt trust Guthrie in that central role, so he needs to make it a priority to get someone who can run games for us and create. Its going to be hard with the budget he has but that creative playmaker and NOT a centre half should be his transfer priority.

 

Spot on with most of that, mate You should start posting here more often, glad your boys had a good time, as Dave already said.

 

I'll leave the posting to you guys as it provides me with some good reading material. Keep up the good work. Hopefully we can get promoted although I have a feeling its going to be a lot tighter in the 2nd half of the season. Hopefully Hughton can prove me wrong with some astute signings in January but for some reason I don't think he will.

 

 

[Mick]

 

I agree with all of it except for the bit about Pancrate and LuaLua. I think Hughton just doesn't fancy Kazenga, and to be honest he's been piss poor in the few appearances he's made lately. Pancrate looks good to me, although he's clearly a home player.

 

Sorry but I agree with the original post, I think LuaLua would do a very good job in this carthorse of a team in this division and he's hardly had any time on the pitch.  Hughton picks senior players ahead of kids and doesn't seem to have the balls to drop certain players unless he has to.

[Thespence]

Guthrie is creative because he plays out wide, we would lose that in the middle. He has never impressed me that much in the few games he has played in the middle. Although he may of played well against Pompey in the middle iirc.

[Greg]

Guthrie is creative because he plays out wide, we would lose that in the middle. He has never impressed me that much in the few games he has played in the middle. Although he may of played well against Pompey in the middle iirc.

 

The fact that he can actually pass the ball gives him an advantage over Nolan in central midfield. Nolan couldn't pass the parcel at a party.

[Nepharite]

Should have f***ing murdered that s**** today. Ryan Taylor and Lovenkrands guilty of two shocking misses. Shola looked appalling when he came on.

 

 

Care to refresh my memory?

 

A header straight at the 'keeper.

 

It was S.Taylor wasn't it?

[Chris Banaloona]

 

I agree with all of it except for the bit about Pancrate and LuaLua. I think Hughton just doesn't fancy Kazenga, and to be honest he's been piss poor in the few appearances he's made lately. Pancrate looks good to me, although he's clearly a home player.

 

Sorry but I agree with the original post, I think LuaLua would do a very good job in this carthorse of a team in this division and he's hardly had any time on the pitch.  Hughton picks senior players ahead of kids and doesn't seem to have the balls to drop certain players unless he has to.

 

I don't see enough of the games over here live so I will take any opinion given to me. But what I do everyday is read blogs, forums and the local rags and up until recently Lua Lua was being hailed as a very good prospect. I just feel that there isn't any point whatsover in bringing players like Pancrate to the club unless he is going to be a starter every week. Lua Lua could do what he does coming off the bench in the last two games I have seen him live, both tonight and at Sheffield Wednesday. After all if Pancrate was decent he would not have been out of contract at the time we signed him (after the transfer deadline).

[Chris Banaloona]

Guthrie is creative because he plays out wide, we would lose that in the middle. He has never impressed me that much in the few games he has played in the middle. Although he may of played well against Pompey in the middle iirc.

 

What do you mean by creative? Creativity isn't just crossing a ball you know..... its about having a good first touch, being composed in possession, playing with your head up, keeping the ball moving quickly and passing with a good level of accuracy and conviction. Guthrie aint no world beater but he does that better than anyone else in our club at this moment in time including Kevin Nolan. Plus he is a Central Midfield player by trade not a Right Midfielder.

[Crumpy Gunt]

Should have f***ing murdered that s**** today. Ryan Taylor and Lovenkrands guilty of two shocking misses. Shola looked appalling when he came on.

 

 

Care to refresh my memory?

 

A header straight at the 'keeper.

 

It was S.Taylor wasn't it?

 

Who it was is unimportant - it was a shocking miss.

[Thespence]

Guthrie is creative because he plays out wide, we would lose that in the middle. He has never impressed me that much in the few games he has played in the middle. Although he may of played well against Pompey in the middle iirc.

 

What do you mean by creative? Creativity isn't just crossing a ball you know..... its about having a good first touch, being composed in possession, playing with your head up, keeping the ball moving quickly and passing with a good level of accuracy and conviction. Guthrie aint no world beater but he does that better than anyone else in our club at this moment in time including Kevin Nolan. Plus he is a Central Midfield player by trade not a Right Midfielder.

 

Last season he had a few chances in the centre & as I said he failed in the main bar the Portsmouth away game iirc. He did do a fair bit standing on the ball on the halfway line, nothing balls & he seemed to lose drive/directness in the middle. I also used to think he was a centre midfielder but I am past that now & see it as his favored position but not his best position. He needs that bit space & time that you get out wide to do his damage.  

[Chris Banaloona]

Guthrie is creative because he plays out wide, we would lose that in the middle. He has never impressed me that much in the few games he has played in the middle. Although he may of played well against Pompey in the middle iirc.

 

What do you mean by creative? Creativity isn't just crossing a ball you know..... its about having a good first touch, being composed in possession, playing with your head up, keeping the ball moving quickly and passing with a good level of accuracy and conviction. Guthrie aint no world beater but he does that better than anyone else in our club at this moment in time including Kevin Nolan. Plus he is a Central Midfield player by trade not a Right Midfielder.

 

Last season he had a few chances in the centre & as I said he failed in the main bar the Portsmouth away game iirc. He did do a fair bit standing on the ball on the halfway line, nothing balls & he seemed to lose drive/directness in the middle. I also used to think he was a centre midfielder but I am past that now & see it as his favored position but not his best position. He needs that bit space & time that you get out wide to do his damage.  

 

Again I don't see all the games due to living abroad but your opinion is flawed as your are basing it on last season. Last season the likes of Collocini, Enrique, Ameobi (still shocking btw haha), Smith (couldnt even get a game) et al were poor....... your expecting him to be a Steven Gerrard or a Frank Lampard. All I am saying he has what no one else has at the club at this present time. The ability to be composed on the ball and link the play together rather than just humping it long hoping for a flick on to pick up the pieces.

[Dave]

I'd like to see Guthrie given a decent run in the middle because IMO you can see the Liverpool schooling in him; he's always willing to move in order to receive the ball and then gets his head up looking to pass it on. He also has a good first touch. He's by no means brilliant at it or else he wouldn't be playing for us in this league, but at this point in time I rate him higher than Nolan who simply offers nothing as a midfielder.

[Thespence]

Guthrie is creative because he plays out wide, we would lose that in the middle. He has never impressed me that much in the few games he has played in the middle. Although he may of played well against Pompey in the middle iirc.

 

What do you mean by creative? Creativity isn't just crossing a ball you know..... its about having a good first touch, being composed in possession, playing with your head up, keeping the ball moving quickly and passing with a good level of accuracy and conviction. Guthrie aint no world beater but he does that better than anyone else in our club at this moment in time including Kevin Nolan. Plus he is a Central Midfield player by trade not a Right Midfielder.

 

Last season he had a few chances in the centre & as I said he failed in the main bar the Portsmouth away game iirc. He did do a fair bit standing on the ball on the halfway line, nothing balls & he seemed to lose drive/directness in the middle. I also used to think he was a centre midfielder but I am past that now & see it as his favored position but not his best position. He needs that bit space & time that you get out wide to do his damage.  

 

Again I don't see all the games due to living abroad but your opinion is flawed as your are basing it on last season. Last season the likes of Collocini, Enrique, Ameobi (still shocking btw haha), Smith (couldnt even get a game) et al were poor....... your expecting him to be a Steven Gerrard or a Frank Lampard. All I am saying he has what no one else has at the club at this present time. The ability to be composed on the ball and link the play together rather than just humping it long hoping for a flick on to pick up the pieces.

 

Dont tell me what I am expecting you cretin. He is best out wide. I WANT TO SEE HIM CREATE GOALS!!! I am not arsed if he likes to play in the middle or not. I want Newcastle to have the best chance of winning football games & that means Guthrie in his most effective postion which is right midfield. Him & Jonas down the flanks offer different methods of attack.

[Chris Banaloona]

Guthrie is creative because he plays out wide, we would lose that in the middle. He has never impressed me that much in the few games he has played in the middle. Although he may of played well against Pompey in the middle iirc.

 

What do you mean by creative? Creativity isn't just crossing a ball you know..... its about having a good first touch, being composed in possession, playing with your head up, keeping the ball moving quickly and passing with a good level of accuracy and conviction. Guthrie aint no world beater but he does that better than anyone else in our club at this moment in time including Kevin Nolan. Plus he is a Central Midfield player by trade not a Right Midfielder.

 

Last season he had a few chances in the centre & as I said he failed in the main bar the Portsmouth away game iirc. He did do a fair bit standing on the ball on the halfway line, nothing balls & he seemed to lose drive/directness in the middle. I also used to think he was a centre midfielder but I am past that now & see it as his favored position but not his best position. He needs that bit space & time that you get out wide to do his damage.  

 

Again I don't see all the games due to living abroad but your opinion is flawed as your are basing it on last season. Last season the likes of Collocini, Enrique, Ameobi (still shocking btw haha), Smith (couldnt even get a game) et al were poor....... your expecting him to be a Steven Gerrard or a Frank Lampard. All I am saying he has what no one else has at the club at this present time. The ability to be composed on the ball and link the play together rather than just humping it long hoping for a flick on to pick up the pieces.

 

Dont tell me what I am expecting you cretin. He is best out wide. I WANT TO SEE HIM CREATE GOALS!!! I am not arsed if he likes to play in the middle or not. I want Newcastle to have the best chance of winning football games & that means Guthrie in his most effective postion which is right midfield. Him & Jonas down the flanks offer different methods of attack.

 

Poor opinion..... and its a wonder why I don't post on here when you have people referring to other blokes as cretin for telling them how it is. Never mind

[Thespence]

Your telling me what I think ffs.

[ElDiablo]

Shit performance. But we should have still won, still managed to grind out 2 clear opportunities (Both Taylors) and one of them should have gone in.

 

One reason we didn't win that today apart from the missed chances = Smith and Nolan in the centre in a 442, absolutely shocking. Especially Nolan, he should be played off the striker or not at all, the midfield was nonexistent for periods in the first half and for the whole second half. Pathetic from Hughton that Guthrie didn't even get on at all when Nolan was clearly running on empty from about 55 mins. Furious that Nolan and Smith completed the 90 together.

[Dave]

Guthrie is creative because he plays out wide, we would lose that in the middle. He has never impressed me that much in the few games he has played in the middle. Although he may of played well against Pompey in the middle iirc.

 

What do you mean by creative? Creativity isn't just crossing a ball you know..... its about having a good first touch, being composed in possession, playing with your head up, keeping the ball moving quickly and passing with a good level of accuracy and conviction. Guthrie aint no world beater but he does that better than anyone else in our club at this moment in time including Kevin Nolan. Plus he is a Central Midfield player by trade not a Right Midfielder.

 

Last season he had a few chances in the centre & as I said he failed in the main bar the Portsmouth away game iirc. He did do a fair bit standing on the ball on the halfway line, nothing balls & he seemed to lose drive/directness in the middle. I also used to think he was a centre midfielder but I am past that now & see it as his favored position but not his best position. He needs that bit space & time that you get out wide to do his damage.  

 

Again I don't see all the games due to living abroad but your opinion is flawed as your are basing it on last season. Last season the likes of Collocini, Enrique, Ameobi (still shocking btw haha), Smith (couldnt even get a game) et al were poor....... your expecting him to be a Steven Gerrard or a Frank Lampard. All I am saying he has what no one else has at the club at this present time. The ability to be composed on the ball and link the play together rather than just humping it long hoping for a flick on to pick up the pieces.

 

Dont tell me what I am expecting you cretin. He is best out wide. I WANT TO SEE HIM CREATE GOALS!!! I am not arsed if he likes to play in the middle or not. I want Newcastle to have the best chance of winning football games & that means Guthrie in his most effective postion which is right midfield. Him & Jonas down the flanks offer different methods of attack.

 

What's the need for that like?