Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Taylor may have as many mistakes in him as Williamson but at least Taylor has the odd goal in him from set peices. Fair point about the set pieces. We have very little threat from corners and free kicks at the moment He might not have scored from freekicks/corners, but Williamson has kept play alive after the set piece and managed a fair number of assists for a CB this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 FWIW Williamson has had a better season in the PL than that c*** Taylor has managed in 7 attempts. As late as February, you were saying Williamson was utter gash and Taylor had to replace him, having said you'd rather have Taylor than Joleon Lescott playing alongside Colo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 FWIW Williamson has had a better season in the PL than that c*** Taylor has managed in 7 attempts. Aye. A bad game today against a World Class Forward, and everyone is seemingly forgetting the rest of the season he's had (at his 1st attempt) in the Premiership. Yesterday was a long way from being Williamson's only poor game this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest andrew Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Do you think Pardew will drop him? Especially since it gives him a chance to put Taylor back into the team... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Not good enough to be a 1st choice CB for a top half team. Ok to be back up for next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 The guys had a good season, not set the world alight but he's still done well. Samba on the other hand - he'd see cult status after about ten minutes on tyneside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Not good enough to be a 1st choice CB for a top half team. Ok to be back up for next season. Less than a week ago the table said otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 FWIW Williamson has had a better season in the PL than that c*** Taylor has managed in 7 attempts. As late as February, you were saying Williamson was utter gash and Taylor had to replace him, having said you'd rather have Taylor than Joleon Lescott playing alongside Colo. Link me to this post in February, please. Complete lies, btw. And what on earth has Joleon Lescott got to do with Mike Williamson? Stop mentioning him. He's another shocking defender, just like your pal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Not good enough to be a 1st choice CB for a top half team. Ok to be back up for next season. Less than a week ago the table said otherwise. Did that mean that last week Lovenkrands was good enough to be a striker for a top half team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Have thought he isn't good enough all season. Recently I've done my best to get behind him - only because I'm resigned to us not strengthening our CBs next season. He just isn't of the standard we need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Not good enough to be a 1st choice CB for a top half team. Ok to be back up for next season. Less than a week ago the table said otherwise. Did that mean that last week Lovenkrands was good enough to be a striker for a top half team? Lovenkrands isn't first choice. In fact he's started roughly half as many games as Williamson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Not good enough to be a 1st choice CB for a top half team. Ok to be back up for next season. Less than a week ago the table said otherwise. Did that mean that last week Lovenkrands was good enough to be a striker for a top half team? Lovenkrands isn't first choice. In fact he's started roughly half as many games as Williamson. We didn't sell our best central defender in January. Since Carroll was sold Lovenkrands has started 11 out of our 12 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Lovenkrands isn't good enough and nobody said he was. I'm not even sure of the relevance. Williamson has played the majority of the our games alongside Coloccini and up until a week ago that was good enough to see us in the top half of the table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 In a nutshell: Win - Williamson is a tidy no nonsense defender - love it. Lose - Williamson is gash, seconds away from a rick, has no place in the team - hate it. Last time I checked NUFC was newly promoted team defying expectations. It is no wonder the stereotype of Newcastle fans being unrealistic exists. For me, he has done well in his first season in the division. Has shown improvement and stayed fit and available. Yes, he has made mistakes (shocker) but so has EVERY SINGLE CB in the division. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 He could be improved upon, but the same goes for nearly all of our squad. I'd spend the money elsewhere first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Not good enough to be a 1st choice CB for a top half team. Ok to be back up for next season. Less than a week ago the table said otherwise. Did that mean that last week Lovenkrands was good enough to be a striker for a top half team? Lovenkrands isn't first choice. In fact he's started roughly half as many games as Williamson. My point was that stating Williamson was good enough for a top half PL team because he has been a member of a team in the top half isn't exactly a watertight argument. Plenty of other players in our team, to a greater or lesser extent, have played a part in our position up til now. This does not necessarily mean they are of a certain quality. I would suggest, for example, that Tiote is better than Williamson. But they play in the same team - so are they are both 10th placed team players? It's a flawed argument. Not quite sure why my analysis of Williamson as not being a top half central defender is an example of me being unrealistic (Canuck) or that he would be the first player I would replace (Dave). Complete non sequiturs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Not good enough to be a 1st choice CB for a top half team. Ok to be back up for next season. Less than a week ago the table said otherwise. Did that mean that last week Lovenkrands was good enough to be a striker for a top half team? Lovenkrands isn't first choice. In fact he's started roughly half as many games as Williamson. My point was that stating Williamson was good enough for a top half PL team because he has been a member of a team in the top half isn't exactly a watertight argument. Plenty of other players in our team, to a greater or lesser extent, have played a part in our position up til now. This does not necessarily mean they are of a certain quality. I would suggest, for example, that Tiote is better than Williamson. But they play in the same team - so are they are both 10th placed team players? It's a flawed argument. Not quite sure why my analysis of Williamson as not being a top half central defender is an example of me being unrealistic (Canuck) or that he would be the first player I would replace (Dave). Complete non sequiturs. Eh? It was you who said he wasn't good enough to be a first choice centre back for a top ten team. Considering he's been a first choice centre back he clearly is, or we wouldn't be there. Pretty ironic that you mention non sequiturs considering I never said you would replace him first, just what I would do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Do you acknowledge that within a team there are players of a different level? Not everyone within a top ten team is necessarily a 'top ten' player. They are merely playing in a top ten team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nguyen Van Falk Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 His first full season in the EPL isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Do you acknowledge that within a team there are players of a different level? Not everyone within a top ten team is necessarily a 'top ten' player. They are merely playing in a top ten team. Of course some are better than others. But Coloccini and Williamson have been our first choice pairing pretty much all season, and we've been in the top half of the league most of the time (more than 75% of the time in fact). I therefore can't quite see how you can claim he's not good enough to be a first choice centre half for a top ten side. What more proof can there be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 The whole "he's a top 4/top 6/Premiership/Championship" player argument is fundamentally flawed really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Poor Dave battling away there I'd help out, but you're painting the argument pretty simply. Williamson is a top ten player because he's spent the majority of the season playing well in a top ten team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Do you acknowledge that within a team there are players of a different level? Not everyone within a top ten team is necessarily a 'top ten' player. They are merely playing in a top ten team. Of course some are better than others. But Coloccini and Williamson have been our first choice pairing pretty much all season, and we've been in the top half of the league most of the time (more than 75% of the time in fact). I therefore can't quite see how you can claim he's not good enough to be a first choice centre half for a top ten side. What more proof can there be? What happens if we finish 15th? Is he then automatically a top 15 team defender? My assessment is based on the fact that looking at his strengths and weaknesses, looking at his performances this season, looking at other central defenders' performances and my past experiences of central defenders over the years I have watched football, I do not think he is good enough to be a top ten defender. I would be very very surprised if he remains a regular part of a top ten PL team in the coming years, whether with NUFC or someone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 I would say he's a top 12 player, maybe even top 11? Top 10 however is highly debateable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 I would say he's a top 12 player, maybe even top 11? Top 10 however is highly debateable. I reckon 14th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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