Ronaldo Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 We did that. Went well. Very well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 how many times though? is there no future in taylor and mbiwa? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 how many times though? is there no future in taylor and mbiwa? Hopefully not, no. Hopefully we spend money on a good defender who can consistently play PL football for the first time in the best part of a decade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 that is wishful thinking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Willo had a good game but he is still woefully short of what we need long term. The same goes for Taylor who is also not the answer by any means. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Can't knock his performance second half but it wasn't hard to look better than Mbiwa tonight. He was shocking !! Either Mbiwa is not the player everyone was crowing about when we signed him in January, or he cannot or will not, play for Pardew in the system Pardew uses for the defence. It will be interesting to see which it is..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 It won't be interesting at all. We already know that he's a very capable defender on the deck that can't compete in the air or with physical forwards because of his size and inexperience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 The very fact that Williamson is being trumpeted as some sort of defensive saviour by some on here is proof positive of the dire situation we face on squad strength. This guy is NOT a PL defender...just as a Championship player sometimes plays out of his skin when given an outing in a Cup game against a PL team, so Williamson tried hard when he came on last night. Yanga Mbiwa and Colo had BOTH had poor games, one is getting to the slowing down stage and the other has huge question marks over either his ability to adapt to the PL/Pardew's defensive system OR his all round capability as a Central defender. Only when/if a different manager takes over will we know for sure which of these applies to Mbiwa. Williamson has had some shocking games over the past couple of seasons so don't start turning a goose into a swan now because its just delusion. We needed new blood at CD and have done for 2 years - Taylor is prone to stupid mistakes AND play-acting...sometimes needs a brain transplant judging by his comments..Colo should have been gone after last season's fiasco as he won't get better at his age now - probably still wants away if the truth be known. A combination of Ashley, Kinnear and Pardew is toxic for the well-being of the club on the field - the lack of decent CDs is another example of this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 It won't be interesting at all. We already know that he's a very capable defender on the deck that can't compete in the air or with physical forwards because of his size and inexperience. It might not be interesting for you - but it will be for me and probably, quite a few others.. If he lacks the physical qualities you say he does, why was he signed to play in the PL? Do you think he might still grow a bit ....?? And inexperience..? Before you were around, but Aidan McCaffery was playing in our first team in 1976 and winning rave notices at the age of 19. Remind me how old Mbiwa is again..?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 He's 24 and has being playing in English football for 20 games. The French league is utter fucking shit. He was signed because he's French, is in the spotlight with the international side and was relatively cheap. Same reasons Debuchy was targeted. He's still got loads and loads to learn and 24 is still a baby for a CB so there's plenty time to do it. With his size he'll always need a dominant CB alongside him, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 The very fact that Williamson is being trumpeted as some sort of defensive saviour by some on here is proof positive of the dire situation we face on squad strength. This guy is NOT a PL defender...just as a Championship player sometimes plays out of his skin when given an outing in a Cup game against a PL team, so Williamson tried hard when he came on last night. Yanga Mbiwa and Colo had BOTH had poor games, one is getting to the slowing down stage and the other has huge question marks over either his ability to adapt to the PL/Pardew's defensive system OR his all round capability as a Central defender. Only when/if a different manager takes over will we know for sure which of these applies to Mbiwa. Williamson has had some shocking games over the past couple of seasons so don't start turning a goose into a swan now because its just delusion. We needed new blood at CD and have done for 2 years - Taylor is prone to stupid mistakes AND play-acting...sometimes needs a brain transplant judging by his comments..Colo should have been gone after last season's fiasco as he won't get better at his age now - probably still wants away if the truth be known. A combination of Ashley, Kinnear and Pardew is toxic for the well-being of the club on the field - the lack of decent CDs is another example of this. The problems on the pitch stem from the top as usual. Taylor is crap/injury prone. Colo is a top player going through the motions and looks like he's had enough, Mbiwa needs some help and is still adjusting. Willo, like you say isn't a capable premiership defender, although he does still have the odd excellent game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 The very fact that Williamson is being trumpeted as some sort of defensive saviour by some on here is proof positive of the dire situation we face on squad strength. This guy is NOT a PL defender...just as a Championship player sometimes plays out of his skin when given an outing in a Cup game against a PL team, so Williamson tried hard when he came on last night. Yanga Mbiwa and Colo had BOTH had poor games, one is getting to the slowing down stage and the other has huge question marks over either his ability to adapt to the PL/Pardew's defensive system OR his all round capability as a Central defender. Only when/if a different manager takes over will we know for sure which of these applies to Mbiwa. Williamson has had some shocking games over the past couple of seasons so don't start turning a goose into a swan now because its just delusion. We needed new blood at CD and have done for 2 years - Taylor is prone to stupid mistakes AND play-acting...sometimes needs a brain transplant judging by his comments..Colo should have been gone after last season's fiasco as he won't get better at his age now - probably still wants away if the truth be known. A combination of Ashley, Kinnear and Pardew is toxic for the well-being of the club on the field - the lack of decent CDs is another example of this. The problems on the pitch stem from the top as usual. Taylor is crap/injury prone. Colo is a top player going through the motions and looks like he's had enough, Mbiwa needs some help and is still adjusting. Willo, like you say isn't a capable premiership defender, although he does still have the odd excellent game. Make do and mend - it could be the slogan for NUFC these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Ah, the Williamson and Colo partnership that saw us on 21 points in mid-January last season. How I long to see that s*** again. Poor example as Taylor played alongside Williamson as much as Colo did last season. A better example would have been to use the season before that. Taylor didn't play again after his injury v Chelsea on Dec 3rd and for the rest of the season, with the odd exception we played with Williamson and Colo as our centre halves. Of course we finished 5th that year so it doesn't fit your agenda. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Ah, the Williamson and Colo partnership that saw us on 21 points in mid-January last season. How I long to see that s*** again. Poor example as Taylor played alongside Williamson as much as Colo did last season. A better example would have been to use the season before that. Taylor didn't play again after his injury v Chelsea on Dec 3rd and for the rest of the season, with the odd exception we played with Williamson and Colo as our centre halves. Of course we finished 5th that year so it doesn't fit your agenda. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Obviously with centre backs, it's important to get the right combination. It was very noticeable last night that Colo started playing better once Williamson came on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Mike did very well last night and probably earned a start going by Pardews comments. The problem is the next game is probably one of the worst games for him to be involved in as Cardiff have small quick strikers like Campbell and Bellamy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I wanted shot of him at the end of last season but now happy here is still here. Quite sad really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 As if Kinnear blocked Douglas, man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Mike did very well last night and probably earned a start going by Pardews comments. The problem is the next game is probably one of the worst games for him to be involved in as Cardiff have small quick strikers like Campbell and Bellamy. Well that's what managers are paid for...to notice those things and pick sides to combat the opposition strengths. Willo is still a championship defender, but in the air against a big 6 footer he's the best we've got. Colo and MYM aren't big enough, and Taylor never seems to be anywhere near when we are up against sides with a big forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Ah, the Williamson and Colo partnership that saw us on 21 points in mid-January last season. How I long to see that s*** again. Poor example as Taylor played alongside Williamson as much as Colo did last season. A better example would have been to use the season before that. Taylor didn't play again after his injury v Chelsea on Dec 3rd and for the rest of the season, with the odd exception we played with Williamson and Colo as our centre halves. Of course we finished 5th that year so it doesn't fit your agenda. 2 seasons ago both Williamson and Colo were as slow as CBs get. They're 2 years older and 2 years slower. It's an agenda of mine to want the best for NUFC and playing those two together is an absolutely preposterous thing to advocate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Ah, the Williamson and Colo partnership that saw us on 21 points in mid-January last season. How I long to see that s*** again. Poor example as Taylor played alongside Williamson as much as Colo did last season. A better example would have been to use the season before that. Taylor didn't play again after his injury v Chelsea on Dec 3rd and for the rest of the season, with the odd exception we played with Williamson and Colo as our centre halves. Of course we finished 5th that year so it doesn't fit your agenda. 2 seasons ago both Williamson and Colo were as slow as CBs get. They're 2 years older and 2 years slower. It's an agenda of mine to want the best for NUFC and playing those two together is an absolutely preposterous thing to advocate. They played together for 45 minutes last night against one of the in form Premier League strikers, kept him quiet and kept a clean sheet. Taylor has proved time and time again that he's a liability and most sensible people can see past the fist pumping and geeing up of the crowds to see what he is. Mbwia doesn't seem much better but to give him the benefit of the doubt it's still early days for him yet. Our current best pairing is Colo and Williamson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Williamson is fucking awful and shouldn't be anywhere near the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Williamson is f***ing awful and shouldn't be anywhere near the team. Not as awful as Taylor and Mbwia though and doesn't cost us as many goals. Statistically we concede less with Colo and Williamson as our CB pairing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Colo and Williamson, man. Not a clue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Colo and Williamson, man. Not a clue. Think you're the clueless one on this. We looked as solid at the back during the 2nd half last night as we have in ages and you want to change it around again and stick with the pairing that's shipped goals all over the place and 6 in the last game and a half in the league. Thick as pig sh! t you are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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