SEMTEX Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Gerrard comfortably. Everyone is gonna sugar coat Scholes because he retired young, in reality he provided no more than Gerrard or Lampard. I don't think many people are basing this on international performances, none of them have been consistently at their best for England. Oh, well, bugger. I dunno then, cos whilst I prefer the other 2, Scholes' performances have ultimately ended in medals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 I don't think Scholes has ever had a 20+ season, even when he played as forward. But his goal tally is great for a midfielder. And Lampard is a great player, I'm not sure if I would put either him or ManU Beckham in the second spot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Gerrard comfortably. Everyone is gonna sugar coat Scholes because he retired young, in reality he provided no more than Gerrard or Lampard. I don't think many people are basing this on international performances, none of them have been consistently at their best for England. Oh, well, bugger. I dunno then, cos whilst I prefer the other 2, Scholes' performances have ultimately ended in medals. I thought you might have confused English with England there...none of them have been as good for country as club. Beckham has at times, but he's always been shit at tournaments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Scholes > Beckham > Lampard > Gerrard Scholes was naturally ahead of the other three. Beckham was at his peak for years and has done the business outside of England (and internationally moreso that the other three). Ronaldo is bang-on about Lampard, criminally underrated, especially on here. Gerrard is...well, Gerrard - should have left LFC years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 I don't think Scholes has ever had a 20+ season, even when he played as forward. But his goal tally is great for a midfielder. And Lampard is a great player, I'm not sure if I would put either him or ManU Beckham in the second spot. Just checked on wiki, seems you're right. He got 20 in 02-03, not in any other season though. I never thought of him as playing as a forward mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Gerrard comfortably. Everyone is gonna sugar coat Scholes because he retired young, in reality he provided no more than Gerrard or Lampard. I don't think many people are basing this on international performances, none of them have been consistently at their best for England. Oh, well, bugger. I dunno then, cos whilst I prefer the other 2, Scholes' performances have ultimately ended in medals. I thought you might have confused English with England there...none of them have been as good for country as club. Beckham has at times, but he's always been shit at tournaments. In this case, I'm probably gonna go with Stuart Ripley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Gerrard comfortably. Everyone is gonna sugar coat Scholes because he retired young, in reality he provided no more than Gerrard or Lampard. I don't think many people are basing this on international performances, none of them have been consistently at their best for England. Oh, well, bugger. I dunno then, cos whilst I prefer the other 2, Scholes' performances have ultimately ended in medals. I thought you might have confused English with England there...none of them have been as good for country as club. Beckham has at times, but he's always been shit at tournaments. In this case, I'm probably gonna go with Stuart Ripley. Fair play, it's either him or Jason Wilcox. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Well, England has won owt during any of the years any of these have been playing, or reached any final, so it's hardly damning that none of them has achieved for country what they have achieved for club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 There's very little between them imo. Scholes's prime was probably during the time I wasn't into football for a bit. So with that in mind I'd just about give it to Gerrard. Beckham's shown at more than one team, but Gerrard has shown it in a team that has never been fit to shine his shoes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Been thinking a bit more about this. Honestly don't think there's much between them, tbh. I still don't think any of them can really grab a game (at international level) and control it or drag a team back into a match. Gerrard can, certainly, for Liverpool but I've never seen him do it for England. Beckham has probably been the most influential at international level, tbh. I can't help but think a player like Roy Keane with his immense presence and attitude would've helped England's cause massively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 There's very little between them imo. Scholes's prime was probably during the time I wasn't into football for a bit. So with that in mind I'd just about give it to Gerrard. Beckham's shown at more than one team, but Gerrard has shown it in a team that has never been fit to shine his shoes. Gerrard over those three? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Lampard for sheer consistency for me. Only just ahead of Scholes though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 There's very little between them imo. Scholes's prime was probably during the time I wasn't into football for a bit. So with that in mind I'd just about give it to Gerrard. Beckham's shown at more than one team, but Gerrard has shown it in a team that has never been fit to shine his shoes. Gerrard over those three? Like I said, I had a phase where I totally lost interest in football, and that was when Scholes was at his best, so I cant have any opinion on him. Out of the other three including Gerrard, I'd have Gerrard first, definitely. I fucking love Lampard, but he plays in a better team, and for me is less defensively sound than Gerrard. Beckham has proved it in other teams, which is mint, but he's one dimensional, albeit at a preposterously high level. Gerrard has been class in a shit team, and aside from being a cunt, and a cheat, he's a fucking excellent player. Been shit this season mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Beckham, easily. I say this because Beckham could have the most all round influence on a game than the others mentioned in the poll, or any other Englishman of the generation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Gerrard. None of us want to admit that he's a great player but unfortunately he just is. I don't think any of he others on the list would be able to hold up an utter turboshit side to the extent Gerrard has been doing for years. The caveat being that my interest in English football started around 2004-ish so I haven't seen scholes or becks in their primes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Scholes > Beckham > Lampard = Gerrard That's over the timeframe described. I've always thought Scholes was phenomenal (btw was it Keegan who described Scholes as someone who drops "hand grenades in the box"?) Genuine class - even if he is a butcher of a tackler! I always thought Beckham was overrated because of his pretty face and sweet right foot, but there's so much more to his game. His engine, his example to others, his professionalism and dedication to his craft. There's a reason Milan signed him twice on loan, even at his age... Lampard and Gerrard I couldn't split - both have their claims but I just can't decide. Lampard is as regular as a metronome when it comes to scoring, and as has been said before Gerrard has carried his team for a decade. Until Torres signed they were a one-man-band. But he's an odious wanker, and a serial diver to boot. I also notice that there are precious few "others" I wracked my brain and the only two suggestions I could think of were Ince and Mcmanamann. Neither of whom could match even Lampard or Gerrard, but might be "best of the rest"...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Scholes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 If it was since Gazza was last in form, you could say Peter Beardsley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 No you couldn't as despite the fact we deployed him in midfield towards the end of his career Pedro wasn't a midfielder. You tit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Lampard>Scholes/Gerrard>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Beckham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocho Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Gerrard for me. His all round game is better than any of the other three. He can tackle, pass, shoot and he leads the team well. He might be a diving b*stard, but he's the only one of the four that can carry a team single-handledly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Gerrard for me. His all round game is better than any of the other three. He can tackle, pass, shoot and he leads the team well. He might be a diving b*stard, but he's the only one of the four that can carry a team single-handledly. Alternatively hes the only one of the four that actually has to, bit harsh to judge others for it(waits for someone to insert tedious Beckham reference here) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Becks without a doubt, only one that has delivered on an International level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocho Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Gerrard for me. His all round game is better than any of the other three. He can tackle, pass, shoot and he leads the team well. He might be a diving b*stard, but he's the only one of the four that can carry a team single-handledly. Alternatively hes the only one of the four that actually has to, bit harsh to judge others for it(waits for someone to insert tedious Beckham reference here) True, but I can't imagine any of the other three to be able to. I think if Gerrard was to be played in the right position (not out wide) and without restrictions (partnership with Lampard) then he would excel. Perhaps a Barry-Gerrard partnership in the middle? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Becks without a doubt, only one that has delivered on an International level. Not for long he didn't.As with Gerrard,he had a good season or so with England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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