David Ginola

[Tooj]

I would hazard a guess, that he means KD was right to sell Ginola as his heart wasn't in it anymore, both for playing under Dalglish and playing for us. Which you could see from his body language at the time. Nothing to do with his lack of ability.

[Guest Roger Kint]

Beardsley was getting on, we all knew that, but peripherally he was fine. Ginola wasn't in form, but was getting better, and then just plummeted when KD arrived. Even ignoring that, and going with your 'good business' point. It means nothing if it isnt invested in players who will improve the team. Funnily enough, any player wouldn't have been an improvement on Ginola the following season. But KD wasn't even close to having a better replacement, in every area except GK.

 

You arent seriously assuming Ginola would have been anything like the same player he was for Spurs 12 months AFTER we sold him when he won PFA Player had he stayed are you? Ginola the following season was NOT the same Ginola we had, or would have had, no amount of blindly glossing over the fact will change it.

 

Regardless of whatever many mistakes KD made, he was right to sell Ginola imo

 

A PFA Player of the Year Award begs to differ.

 

FFS for a different team alltogether, why cant you grasp that he was a different player on leaving?

[Guest Roger Kint]

Beardsley was getting on, we all knew that, but peripherally he was fine. Ginola wasn't in form, but was getting better, and then just plummeted when KD arrived. Even ignoring that, and going with your 'good business' point. It means nothing if it isnt invested in players who will improve the team. Funnily enough, any player wouldn't have been an improvement on Ginola the following season. But KD wasn't even close to having a better replacement, in every area except GK.

 

You arent seriously assuming Ginola would have been anything like the same player he was for Spurs 12 months AFTER we sold him when he won PFA Player had he stayed are you? Ginola the following season was NOT the same Ginola we had, or would have had, no amount of blindly glossing over the fact will change it.

Regardless of whatever many mistakes KD made, he was right to sell Ginola imo

 

Just not true.  Ginola was a great player and would have continued to do very well for us.  He should not have been sold.

 

Considering he had a poor final season your blind faith bears no logic

[Guest firetotheworks]

Beardsley was getting on, we all knew that, but peripherally he was fine. Ginola wasn't in form, but was getting better, and then just plummeted when KD arrived. Even ignoring that, and going with your 'good business' point. It means nothing if it isnt invested in players who will improve the team. Funnily enough, any player wouldn't have been an improvement on Ginola the following season. But KD wasn't even close to having a better replacement, in every area except GK.

 

You arent seriously assuming Ginola would have been anything like the same player he was for Spurs 12 months AFTER we sold him when he won PFA Player had he stayed are you? Ginola the following season was NOT the same Ginola we had, or would have had, no amount of blindly glossing over the fact will change it.

 

Regardless of whatever many mistakes KD made, he was right to sell Ginola imo

 

A PFA Player of the Year Award begs to differ.

 

FFS for a different team alltogether, why cant you grasp that he was a different player on leaving?

 

I can, and have,  very easily. But that very point also applies to the different player he became for a different team altogether. IF (there's that 'if' again) Dalglish had have managed him instead of mis-managing him then we might have got that player for us. The reality is that we flogged him, replaced him with shite, and he went on to be the best player in the league.

[Guest Roger Kint]

Sadly your reality ignores the 6 months of disinterested, apathetic performances BEFORE KD came in which ironically gave us his 2 best goals and not a lot else. He was injured iirc when KD came in and the players he used took us 6th to 2nd and the Champions League. By all means continue to use 'ifs' but the fact is he was HAPPY to leave the previous season and has spoken of KK's betrayal in leaving and how he didnt get on with Shearer.

[madras]

Sadly your reality ignores the 6 months of disinterested, apathetic performances BEFORE KD came in which ironically gave us his 2 best goals and not a lot else. He was injured iirc when KD came in and the players he used took us 6th to 2nd and the Champions League. By all means continue to use 'ifs' but the fact is he was HAPPY to leave the previous season and has spoken of KK's betrayal in leaving and how he didnt get on with Shearer.

as stated before ginola look and played like he wanted away from the moment winterburn stayed on the pitch at highbury in that league cup tie.

[Guest Roger Kint]

Sadly your reality ignores the 6 months of disinterested, apathetic performances BEFORE KD came in which ironically gave us his 2 best goals and not a lot else. He was injured iirc when KD came in and the players he used took us 6th to 2nd and the Champions League. By all means continue to use 'ifs' but the fact is he was HAPPY to leave the previous season and has spoken of KK's betrayal in leaving and how he didnt get on with Shearer.

as stated before ginola look and played like he wanted away from the moment winterburn stayed on the pitch at highbury in that league cup tie.

 

Agree, sadly that game did a lot of damage to our whole season as well as Ginolas fantastic first year here

[Guest firetotheworks]

Sadly your reality ignores the 6 months of disinterested, apathetic performances BEFORE KD came in which ironically gave us his 2 best goals and not a lot else. He was injured iirc when KD came in and the players he used took us 6th to 2nd and the Champions League. By all means continue to use 'ifs' but the fact is he was HAPPY to leave the previous season and has spoken of KK's betrayal in leaving and how he didnt get on with Shearer.

 

If you want to ignore hindsight, and which outcome is greater (Ginola having poor form, and looking disinterested, or Ginola going on to be player of the season) then fair enough, but even when Ginola came back he didn't start Ginola. He was a player that had to be worked on, but thats what good managers do, Bellamy is another example, or even Robert. I even remember when KD brought him and Asprilla on when we were 3-0 down to Liverpool in the second (but shit) 4-3 match, and even then his quality shone through.

[Guest Roger Kint]

 

If you want to ignore hindsight,

 

I ignored everything after that. Pointless continuing with this if you start a point like that. Agree to disagree, am not wasting my day.

[Optimistic Nut]

If KD hadn't dropped Ginola for Elliott, we'd not have finished 2nd that season. Simple as that really.

[Disco]

If KD hadn't dropped Ginola for Elliott, we'd not have finished 2nd that season. Simple as that really.

 

Good job we sold them both then.

[Optimistic Nut]

We did replace Elliott with the "new Maldini" remember.

[Disco]

We did replace Elliott with the "new Maldini" remember.

 

Not on the wing where Elliott would've played ahead of Ginola we didn't. Pistone played FB as far as i remember.

[Optimistic Nut]

Did Pistone start that season left wing? Remember Watson/Barton RB, and Beresford was still LB.

[DJ_NUFC]

KD put this club back decades. It wasn't totally his fault, the board tied his hands as soon as he came in, but those sticking up for him on here sound as retarded as someone who'd be sticking up for Sam Allardyce's tenure would sound: Big Sam came here with a brand new owner, and everything else that came with it. He still made us play terrible footie, made crap decisions, and left us lingering near the bottom of the table.

 

To take a team of championship contenders to 13th in season is a masterstroke in ineptitude, regardless of conditions. Shearer's injury was unlucky, yes, but a good manager would've at least kept the core of KK's team. When Mourinho came to Chel$hit, and went to Inter, he kept the players that still could do a job. Comparing the two is silly, of course, but I'm trying to stress that it's unbelievable some on here are letting Kenny get away scot-free, without an ounce of responsibility. I think if you ask the man himself he'd probably agree to a mistake or two, at the very least. These rose-tinted Kenny Dalglish line of glasses need to be rid of.

[Dr.Spaceman]

My mam went to see him at PC world or somewhere today. Random.

[hakka]

Beardsley was getting on, we all knew that, but peripherally he was fine. Ginola wasn't in form, but was getting better, and then just plummeted when KD arrived. Even ignoring that, and going with your 'good business' point. It means nothing if it isnt invested in players who will improve the team. Funnily enough, any player wouldn't have been an improvement on Ginola the following season. But KD wasn't even close to having a better replacement, in every area except GK.

 

You arent seriously assuming Ginola would have been anything like the same player he was for Spurs 12 months AFTER we sold him when he won PFA Player had he stayed are you? Ginola the following season was NOT the same Ginola we had, or would have had, no amount of blindly glossing over the fact will change it.

Regardless of whatever many mistakes KD made, he was right to sell Ginola imo

 

Just not true.  Ginola was a great player and would have continued to do very well for us.  He should not have been sold.

 

Considering he had a poor final season your blind faith bears no logic

 

Considering he went to play well again and won the PFA Player Of The Year in 1999 shows your ignorance of what happened other than the 96/97 season bears no logic.

[Guest firetotheworks]

My mam went to see him at PC world or somewhere today. Random.

 

Did she get an I-Pad for her faulty Laptop too?   (Check the 'what mood are you in?' thread)

[Mick]

I would hazard a guess, that he means KD was right to sell Ginola as his heart wasn't in it anymore, both for playing under Dalglish and playing for us. Which you could see from his body language at the time. Nothing to do with his lack of ability.

 

Is it not the managers job to motivate players and get the best out of them?  A motivated Ginola was clearly still a very good player when he left here. 

 

If Dalglish couldn't motivate players then he wasn't up to the job.

[Dr.Spaceman]

He won the Premier League ffs

[Mick]

He won the Premier League ffs

 

Not here and that's what people are discussing in this thread.

[Guest Stephen927]

My mam went to see him at PC world or somewhere today. Random.

 

Aye he was at Team Valley. "Challenge Ginola".

[Guest Roger Kint]

Beardsley was getting on, we all knew that, but peripherally he was fine. Ginola wasn't in form, but was getting better, and then just plummeted when KD arrived. Even ignoring that, and going with your 'good business' point. It means nothing if it isnt invested in players who will improve the team. Funnily enough, any player wouldn't have been an improvement on Ginola the following season. But KD wasn't even close to having a better replacement, in every area except GK.

 

You arent seriously assuming Ginola would have been anything like the same player he was for Spurs 12 months AFTER we sold him when he won PFA Player had he stayed are you? Ginola the following season was NOT the same Ginola we had, or would have had, no amount of blindly glossing over the fact will change it.

Regardless of whatever many mistakes KD made, he was right to sell Ginola imo

 

Just not true.  Ginola was a great player and would have continued to do very well for us.  He should not have been sold.

 

Considering he had a poor final season your blind faith bears no logic

 

Considering he went to play well again and won the PFA Player Of The Year in 1999 shows your ignorance of what happened other than the 96/97 season bears no logic.

 

As it was a different team he did that with i can only assume you have no clue how the world turns

[Heron]

Beardsley was getting on, we all knew that, but peripherally he was fine. Ginola wasn't in form, but was getting better, and then just plummeted when KD arrived. Even ignoring that, and going with your 'good business' point. It means nothing if it isnt invested in players who will improve the team. Funnily enough, any player wouldn't have been an improvement on Ginola the following season. But KD wasn't even close to having a better replacement, in every area except GK.

 

You arent seriously assuming Ginola would have been anything like the same player he was for Spurs 12 months AFTER we sold him when he won PFA Player had he stayed are you? Ginola the following season was NOT the same Ginola we had, or would have had, no amount of blindly glossing over the fact will change it.

Regardless of whatever many mistakes KD made, he was right to sell Ginola imo

 

Just not true.  Ginola was a great player and would have continued to do very well for us.  He should not have been sold.

 

Considering he had a poor final season your blind faith bears no logic

 

Considering he went to play well again and won the PFA Player Of The Year in 1999 shows your ignorance of what happened other than the 96/97 season bears no logic.

 

As it was a different team he did that with i can only assume you have no clue how the world turns

 

How does the world turn? Is it via the gravitational pull from the sun?

[Guest Roger Kint]

Beardsley was getting on, we all knew that, but peripherally he was fine. Ginola wasn't in form, but was getting better, and then just plummeted when KD arrived. Even ignoring that, and going with your 'good business' point. It means nothing if it isnt invested in players who will improve the team. Funnily enough, any player wouldn't have been an improvement on Ginola the following season. But KD wasn't even close to having a better replacement, in every area except GK.

 

You arent seriously assuming Ginola would have been anything like the same player he was for Spurs 12 months AFTER we sold him when he won PFA Player had he stayed are you? Ginola the following season was NOT the same Ginola we had, or would have had, no amount of blindly glossing over the fact will change it.

Regardless of whatever many mistakes KD made, he was right to sell Ginola imo

 

Just not true.  Ginola was a great player and would have continued to do very well for us.  He should not have been sold.

 

Considering he had a poor final season your blind faith bears no logic

 

Considering he went to play well again and won the PFA Player Of The Year in 1999 shows your ignorance of what happened other than the 96/97 season bears no logic.

 

As it was a different team he did that with i can only assume you have no clue how the world turns

 

How does the world turn? Is it via the gravitational pull from the sun?

 

Pretty much yes, the universe expands by all accounts iirc