Gash Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 I'd have Carrick & Barry. We need to do something to maintain possession. Terry Upson Johnson A.Cole Carrick Barry Gerrard Lampard J.Cole Rooney I'd rather Lampard on the right but yeh this basically. Those 3 behind Rooney lots of movement and cutting inside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlufPurdi Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Most interesting football thread in about four years, by the way. Good shit from all, even if you're wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 I'd have Carrick & Barry. We need to do something to maintain possession. Terry Upson Johnson A.Cole Carrick Barry Gerrard Lampard J.Cole Rooney I'd rather Lampard on the right but yeh this basically. Those 3 behind Rooney lots of movement and cutting inside. I think I agree with this. Lennon coming on as a sub maye be more useful than him starting aswell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Antigalican Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 I'd have Carrick & Barry. We need to do something to maintain possession. Terry Upson Johnson A.Cole Carrick Barry Gerrard Lampard J.Cole Rooney Good shout, but I think we should pick a keeper as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Terry Upson Johnson* *Cole Carrick Barry Gerrard Cole Defoe Rooney *Overlapping. When Jhonson is forward Carrick fills in and same on the other wing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Carrick ahead of Lampard, says it all about you, really does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Carrick ahead of Lampard, says it all about you, really does. Lampard has been dogshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Lampard had produced far more than Gerrard in an England shirt tbh. can you quantify that Dave? Do you mean statistically? I can't be bothered to look it up to be perfectly honest, I just feel far more let down by Gerrard over the years considering what he has done for Liverpool in the same timeframe. Gerrard was worldclass against Germany 5-1. Apart from that neither Gerrard & Lampard have really done anything of note for me. Short memory. Lampard was easily the driving force behind WC 06 qualification. Not to mention his excellent performances in Euro 04. They've both under-performed internationally for a long time.Gerrard has played well sporadically since 2002,and Lampard ,the same since 2005.The player we've really missed has been Hargreaves,who outshone both in 2006. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Lampard had produced far more than Gerrard in an England shirt tbh. can you quantify that Dave? Do you mean statistically? I can't be bothered to look it up to be perfectly honest, I just feel far more let down by Gerrard over the years considering what he has done for Liverpool in the same timeframe. Gerrard was worldclass against Germany 5-1. Apart from that neither Gerrard & Lampard have really done anything of note for me. Short memory. Lampard was easily the driving force behind WC 06 qualification. Not to mention his excellent performances in Euro 04. They've both under-performed internationally for a long time.Gerrard has played well sporadically since 2002,and Lampard ,the same since 2005.The player we've really missed has been Hargreaves,who outshone both in 2006. Just about to say that. Coached in Germany he at least understands a little more than knock it up here son! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Carrick ahead of Lampard, says it all about you, really does. Lampard has been dogshit. To be fair, Carrick has been dogshit for Man Utd all season too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlufPurdi Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Lampard had produced far more than Gerrard in an England shirt tbh. can you quantify that Dave? Do you mean statistically? I can't be bothered to look it up to be perfectly honest, I just feel far more let down by Gerrard over the years considering what he has done for Liverpool in the same timeframe. Gerrard was worldclass against Germany 5-1. Apart from that neither Gerrard & Lampard have really done anything of note for me. Short memory. Lampard was easily the driving force behind WC 06 qualification. Not to mention his excellent performances in Euro 04. They've both under-performed internationally for a long time.Gerrard has played well sporadically since 2002,and Lampard ,the same since 2005.The player we've really missed has been Hargreaves,who outshone both in 2006. Just about to say that. Coached in Germany he at least understands a little more than knock it up here son! The only one that emerged from the last WC with any dignity. Could do with his grit, dig and spirit right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Lampard had produced far more than Gerrard in an England shirt tbh. can you quantify that Dave? Do you mean statistically? I can't be bothered to look it up to be perfectly honest, I just feel far more let down by Gerrard over the years considering what he has done for Liverpool in the same timeframe. Gerrard was worldclass against Germany 5-1. Apart from that neither Gerrard & Lampard have really done anything of note for me. Short memory. Lampard was easily the driving force behind WC 06 qualification. Not to mention his excellent performances in Euro 04. They've both under-performed internationally for a long time.Gerrard has played well sporadically since 2002,and Lampard ,the same since 2005.The player we've really missed has been Hargreaves,who outshone both in 2006. Just about to say that. Coached in Germany he at least understands a little more than knock it up here son! The only one that emerged from the last WC with any dignity. Could do with his grit, dig and spirit right now. not to mention his ability to always be available and retain possession. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Anyone who says the answer to this shitpile is to bring in Michael Carrick needs fucking shooting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Carrick ahead of Lampard, says it all about you, really does. Lampard has been dogshit. To be fair, Carrick has been dogshit for Man Utd all season too. I'd go for the dogshit who hasn't contributed to the farago that were the first two games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Great, let's drop Rooney for Crouch then while we're at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlufPurdi Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Lampard had produced far more than Gerrard in an England shirt tbh. can you quantify that Dave? Do you mean statistically? I can't be bothered to look it up to be perfectly honest, I just feel far more let down by Gerrard over the years considering what he has done for Liverpool in the same timeframe. Gerrard was worldclass against Germany 5-1. Apart from that neither Gerrard & Lampard have really done anything of note for me. Short memory. Lampard was easily the driving force behind WC 06 qualification. Not to mention his excellent performances in Euro 04. They've both under-performed internationally for a long time.Gerrard has played well sporadically since 2002,and Lampard ,the same since 2005.The player we've really missed has been Hargreaves,who outshone both in 2006. Just about to say that. Coached in Germany he at least understands a little more than knock it up here son! The only one that emerged from the last WC with any dignity. Could do with his grit, dig and spirit right now. not to mention his ability to always be available and retain possession. Unsung hero. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Unsung. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlufPurdi Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Unsung. Hilarious innit? I know he was only a patch on Lampard's performances though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Just having a read through a lot of these posts, and a lot start with 'if' or 'it's Capello' or 'it's the players', a lot say what Capello should do, what Capello isn't doing, what should happen to the players etc. Tbh this whole 'prima donna' stuff is beyond tedious, and only gets thrown about when there's a bad performance, the very same thing is spun into 'World Class Players' when were winning, or the whole 'prima donna' issue is hidden by the usual posters looking for an excuse to post it. Personally I couldn't give a shit if they're prima donnas or not, the bottom line is that things aren't working, and need to change. I cant think of a truly successful manager other than maybe Ferguson who is an out and out autocrat. Capello has shown time and time again that he's not about who's right, and who's wrong, but what's right, and what's wrong. If it gets sorted by the senior players airing their views or not, it doesn't matter whether you think they should be told to fuck off or not, (quite frankly that kind of attitude is so regressive its pretty much extinct within successful managers). The only reason that this debate is all being concentrated on is because it was a shit result, that pretty much proves how important the result was, and all these 'ifs' only highlight how arbitrary, and pointless every other factor presented through the media/rumour/whatever is. Now I think we should ditch the shit debate and concentrate on the result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Anyone who says the answer to this shitpile is to bring in Michael Carrick needs f***ing shooting. The idea to bring carrick on was because the Algeria were playing 10 men behind the ball. If a team is doing that then you need some in your midfield who can make passes and keep the team ticking over. Having two players, gerrard and lampard int he same team as they are to similar to each other. I would suspect that Slovenia will play a similar game to Algeria, so i would much rather have someone making passes and trying to pull them out of position, so we can get behind them You've played way to much football manager and fifa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offshore Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 One thing to add to this thread if we don't qualify other than the obvious player and manager roles, is the training regime leading up to this world cup. They had an Austrian training camp and selected their base in SA for altitude training. Against Algeria, all the players looked knackered after 20 mins or so. Glen Johnson, who I don't rate as a defender, but at least can run, looked like he was running in water all the game. We have enough problems getting eleven fit and in condition players to gel without them being hamstrung by poorly preparing them. Oh, and play Joe Cole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Unsung. Hilarious innit? I know he was only a patch on Lampard's performances though. It is, Hargreaves was praised to high heaven after that tournament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Not before it or much since then though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Not before it or much since then though. Before it, most people seemed to think it was ridiculous he was even in the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Great, let's drop Rooney for Crouch then while we're at it. Having promise and not living up to it is worse than not having it in the first place. Rooney's been utter cr*p thus far, even allowing for the poor service. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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