Ronaldo Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Barnsley beat them at Anfield, not Oakwell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Barnsley beat them at Anfield, not Oakwell. meaning his time at oakwell.......but you know that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Going to get the England captaincy back for the Wales game apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Going to get the England captaincy back for the Wales game apparently. All Wales need to do is lob one over his head. He has been stable but prone to moments of panicks and misjudgements which unsurprisingly for a defender usually costs goals. How anyone can describe him as "one of the best defeders in the last 6 years is beyond me". He is not even the best defender in Chelsea in the last 6 years, Both Carvalho and Cole was & is better than him and as for now, it's possible that Luiz will be Chelsea's backbone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Going to get the England captaincy back for the Wales game apparently. About time too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Going to get the England captaincy back for the Wales game apparently. All Wales need to do is lob one over his head. He has been stable but prone to moments of panicks and misjudgements which unsurprisingly for a defender usually costs goals. How anyone can describe him as "one of the best defeders in the last 6 years is beyond me". He is not even the best defender in Chelsea in the last 6 years, Both Carvalho and Cole was & is better than him and as for now, it's possible that Luiz will be Chelsea's backbone. What a load of guff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Going to get the England captaincy back for the Wales game apparently. All Wales need to do is lob one over his head. He has been stable but prone to moments of panicks and misjudgements which unsurprisingly for a defender usually costs goals. How anyone can describe him as "one of the best defeders in the last 6 years is beyond me". He is not even the best defender in Chelsea in the last 6 years, Both Carvalho and Cole was & is better than him and as for now, it's possible that Luiz will be Chelsea's backbone. What a load of guff. nice attempt of a response, just admit that you don't know how to defend the nonsense you posted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Terry's been magnificent for club (and generally country) for almost a decade. He's an arsehole, but one hell of a defender and one hell of a captain. Bet you couldn't even begin to name 10 genuinely better CBs over the last 6 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 He has been generally solid but far from being amongst the best in the last 6 years. As for naming defeders, not playing your numbers game, but I just named 2 defenders better than him and that's just in Chelsea, or did you missed that part (conveniently igored)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Chelsea have been for the most part the best team in arguably the world's best league for the past 6 years, like, so it's hardly a disgrace if one or two have been better. I disagree with Carvalho being better, although Cole stands up well against him. Then again, how many people truly regarded Ashley Cole to be world class in 2005? Not me, but he wasn't far off. Rio Ferdinand, Sandro Nesta, perhaps even Puyol. I can't think of too many being better than Terry, but let's not forget that Mourinho (who you regard so highly) made Terry captain the week he got the job at Chelsea, and basically built his team around him and Lampard. Look at Chelsea this season, best defensive record in the PL even though Terry has had about 5 different partners back there. Same last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Chelsea have been for the most part the best team in arguably the world's best league for the past 6 years, like, so it's hardly a disgrace if one or two have been better. I disagree with Carvalho being better, although Cole stands up well against him. Then again, how many people truly regarded Ashley Cole to be world class in 2005? Not me, but he wasn't far off. Rio Ferdinand, Sandro Nesta, perhaps even Puyol. I can't think of too many being better than Terry, but let's not forget that Mourinho (who you regard so highly) made Terry captain the week he got the job at Chelsea, and basically built his team around him and Lampard. Look at Chelsea this season, best defensive record in the PL even though Terry has had about 5 different partners back there. Same last season. has there been a better protected defence than chelsea during the period you refer? for the most part of that they've played a 3 man midfield with people like essien helping them out chelsea, without doubt, played the least expansive football than any of their peers during this period not to say that terry isn't a great defender but it's also the same argument people used with cech - he had that crazy run of clean sheets and lowest goals conceded etc. but he wasn't doing it behind bramble and o'brien was he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 has there been a better protected defence than chelsea during the period you refer? for the most part of that they've played a 3 man midfield with people like essien helping them out chelsea, without doubt, played the least expansive football than any of their peers during this period not to say that terry isn't a great defender but it's also the same argument people used with cech - he had that crazy run of clean sheets and lowest goals conceded etc. but he wasn't doing it behind bramble and o'brien was he? God almighty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 has there been a better protected defence than chelsea during the period you refer? for the most part of that they've played a 3 man midfield with people like essien helping them out chelsea, without doubt, played the least expansive football than any of their peers during this period not to say that terry isn't a great defender but it's also the same argument people used with cech - he had that crazy run of clean sheets and lowest goals conceded etc. but he wasn't doing it behind bramble and o'brien was he? God almighty. here we go their peers being who? manyoo, arsenal, barca, real, bayern, liverpool (?), inter (?), milan (?) i'll give you liverpool under benny and the two italians (not even sure they count) but are you trying to tell me chelsea played more expansive football than the others? especially under mourinho their football was heavily focused on defence first Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Under Mourinho, yes. Mourinho left 3 1/2 years ago. They broke the PL record for goals last year. They've played plenty of expansive football since Mou's departure. They're not Mancini's City and never have been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Under Mourinho, yes. Mourinho left 3 1/2 years ago. They broke the PL record for goals last year. They've played plenty of expansive football since Mou's departure. They're not Mancini's City and never have been. you were the one talking about 6 years ago, you can't just pick and choose to suit agree about last year, much different indeed, prior to that i'm not sure there was much difference under grant/scolari or whatever personally, certainly not the grant season iirc point still stands, they play a much tighter game than manyoo or arsenal imo (if we're talking only domestically) and will always have a good goal difference as a consequence Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Chelsea have been for the most part the best team in arguably the world's best league for the past 6 years, like, so it's hardly a disgrace if one or two have been better. I disagree with Carvalho being better, although Cole stands up well against him. Then again, how many people truly regarded Ashley Cole to be world class in 2005? Not me, but he wasn't far off. Rio Ferdinand, Sandro Nesta, perhaps even Puyol. I can't think of too many being better than Terry, but let's not forget that Mourinho (who you regard so highly) made Terry captain the week he got the job at Chelsea, and basically built his team around him and Lampard. Look at Chelsea this season, best defensive record in the PL even though Terry has had about 5 different partners back there. Same last season. We'll disagree on Carvalho then, he was less physical in the "put your body in the way" sort but was a lot calmer, less prone to mistakes and was better at playing the ball out of defence. Mourinho (and yes I think very highly of him) making him captain does not prove your claim, captains are not necessarily the best players, it's often someone that can rally the team. It made a lot more sense to make a 'local lad' a captain whose been at the club for several years than a Portugese lad that came with Mourinho, doesn't make Terry the better player though. See we can debate without being disrespectful to differing views. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Should never have been stripped of it. Could see this coming as Rooney got the armband in the second half despite all his off field antics. He's a great defender. It seems to me that people underrate English players cos of the international letdowns. If he was foreign, people wouldn't shut up about him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Terry has never really convinced at international level, not sure why, the same is arguably true about Lampard, though the contrast is less stark with him. for chelsea in the league and in europe Terry's been a sensational player, though looked fucking awful for a while after all that stuff came out in the press . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chubby Jason Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Giving it him back totally spoils any significance of stripping it from him in the first place. Rio is fucked all the time so I'd give it to Gerrard permanently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Becoming more and more detached from the national team with each passing day. Just really struggle to give a shit who or how they play anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Becoming more and more detached from the national team with each passing day. Just really struggle to give a shit who or how they play anymore. I'm the same. Always used to care as well, even though I know many never have done. The World Cup last year was disgusting, as were the lies about rejuvenating the squad in its aftermath. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Becoming more and more detached from the national team with each passing day. Just really struggle to give a shit who or how they play anymore. I'm the same. Always used to care as well, even though I know many never have done. The World Cup last year was disgusting, as were the lies about rejuvenating the squad in its aftermath. Farcical. The whole episode. Thought Capello would have a bit of backbone and stick to his guns but he's kowtowed and gone down the establishment route. Pricks, the lot of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Becoming more and more detached from the national team with each passing day. Just really struggle to give a shit who or how they play anymore. I'm the same. Always used to care as well, even though I know many never have done. The World Cup last year was disgusting, as were the lies about rejuvenating the squad in its aftermath. I think before the WC myself and you were one of the few on here that argued disregarding Engerrland was wrong. The last WC was the last straw for me though. Total farce and I genuinely couldn't give a fuck anymore, Carroll playing the other month perked my interest a little but whey...we all know how that's turned out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Never liked him ergo never rated him. The prick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 I could turn my back on my country no more than I could with Newcastle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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