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The sad thing in all of this is that potentially NUFC has the potential to be as big as any of them. We are a huge club but we have had no real success for years and we are constantly under achieving. KK and SJH and Sir Bobby at one point showcased the true NUFC. A club that could compete and aim for the top prizes. If LFC win it they will show the way that you don't need an Abromovic or rich Arabs to succeed. Mind LFC are and always have been a major global name, where as us and clubs like Spurs lag way behind in that regards and rightly so. Just look at what LFC achieved in the 70s and 80s.

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Spurs and Arsenal (the way they have been operating) would be something. L'pool are old  money, using (less) new money.

 

I well remember saying exactly the same about Manchester United before they won the title in 92......the difference was throughout the late 70's and most of the 80's they'd spent more than anyone else.

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I'm coming in halfway here, but the point is still that your cashflow was minus 21M, due to maintaining a huge wage bill and spending a lot on transfers (although you recouped a lot that year). You were bailed out by your owners giving you a wodge of cash.

 

Oh, I'm not arguing that the owners haven't put any money into the club: that's patently not true.

 

But it's equally untrue that they "bailed us out". You're basically saying that we accidentally/recklessly spent £25m that we didn't have, and they said, "oops! Accidents can happen! This one's on us." That isn't what happened. They said, "here's £25m. Spend it wisely."

 

What I'm saying is that the club is not over-extending itself financially in the way that Leeds did or Chelsea was doing before Abramovich showed up.

 

There's another conversation to be had about the spectacular commercial deals that Fenway have brought in. All fair and above board (none of the ludicrous deals that Man City have used to circumvent FFP), but completely disproportionate compared to what's been happening on the pitch. They've just successfully maintained and exploited a brand image, notably in the US. In the 2012/13 figures they got nearly 20M more than Chelsea (who have finished above Liverpool in 10 of the last 11 years), 50% more than Arsenal (above Liverpool in 9 of 11), more than twice that of Spurs and more than five times that of Newcastle. That's impressive, but leaves me feeling empty inside, and just adds to my disillusion with the game.

 

You're making the assumption that the sponsors were investing in the Liverpool of the last few years and not Fenway. Is it not possible that they were, in fact, buying in due to their confidence in Fenway—and their excellent track record—and not throwing money at some grand marque of old?

 

We'll see for sure in a few weeks, but it's certainly looking like Fenway know what they're doing, and our sponsors have done a pretty smart bit of business, wouldn't you say?

 

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Guest bimpy474

Deserve to win it, played the best attacking football. Manager of the year.

 

Still cunts and i hope the club burns in the fires of hell. Wankers.

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A bit of a controversial question....

 

Youse lot correctly hammer Pardew and Ashley for their lack of ambition and ready made excuses of (We can't aim big and compete with clubs bigger and richer than us) here, and yet you prefer the rich (Chelsea and City) to prevail again, justifying the notion of, in the end...money and resources prevail... ?

 

Also, I think the media-wankfest is not because it's Liverpool, but because it's something new and hence, a better story to tell and cherish. The most popular title winning teams in eyes of neutral media in recent times were City's 11-12, Chelsea's 04-05, Man Utd's 06-07 (overcoming the notion that Chelsea will dominate for years), their treble winning team, and the one who won first (Bruce with Skrtel-esque goals), Arsenal's 03-04 and 97-98 etc. There is a pattern there.

 

They were either winning after a long long time, or were doing it in amazing fashion, hence the media's backing.

 

If it was Spurs/Southampton/Newcastle who were in Liverpool's position now, I bet it'd be the exact same. Hell, Spurs qualified for the CL once and this "Breath of fresh air", "Best football in the league" and Redknapp love-in was all over the place. It's not about the teams...It's about stories. Everton will rightly get a f*** load of praise if they get 4th and this time make it to CL groups. Because everyone loves those stories and they sell better.

 

On the contrary, Everton are being hammered by every media outlet under the sun for having the temerity to loan some decent players and possibly gatecrash the CL party which is reserved for their select favourites.

 

The more successful our league campaign has become, the more we've been criticised until open season was suddenly declared on the entire loan system by the media and other managers.

 

Nobody cares that Liverpool have a player on loan from a title rival, that Arsenal started a loanee in a vital league game last night, that more than half the league has loan players, that Man Utd won the league with Tevez on loan, that Lukaku performed just as well last season for WBA etc etc but you can't open a paper now without reading about Everton ruining football by unfairly loaning 3 good players.

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Aye I'm confused too. Some of the crap in the media at the moment is vomit inducing. It's like they're ramming it down our throats that we should want them to win it. It's at the stage now where I hope it's anyone but them, that Suarez fucks off in the summer and they go back to hovering between 4-7th every year.

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I did find it a little odd that at the weekend we had 3 players on loan from Man City and Chelsea playing for the other 2 teams who ended the weekend in the top 4.

 

Loans should be banned for any player over 21 (cut off based purely on the fact that we have an u21 international distinction) imo, I reckon this would actually help reduce the transfer fees of average to decent players overall by sucking the demand out of the market from the team who like to stockpile players.

 

Anyway, hopefully Chelsea manage to park that bus in a way only Mourinho can

 

Oh and hold on to those tickets - you'll get 10 x that should the scousers still be in with a good shout going into the week of the game

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Nobody has accused Liverpool reckless spending. Although you wouldn't have been able to support a further 4 years without CL football.

 

 

But you've spent more money than the club has generated while taking some big losses. Only L'pool or a club with its potential could get away with that.

 

Yeah, we have spent more than we generated. The £24m the owners chipped in. That's very small beer compared to the hundreds of millions Chelsea's and Citeh's owners have chipped in.

 

If you want to take the principle-before-all-else route, and declare any club using owner's largesse, regardless of how much or little it may be, as "bad for the game", "impure" (or whatever), that's your prerogative and a reasonable position to take.

 

I just wish you'd stop going on about these "losses", when they're basically just accounting stuff, completely divorced from reality (as if the stadium plans were actually worth tens of millions or Suarez is only worth £14m, and Sturridge < £10m).

 

It's a rare club that doesn't have losses on paper every year (pre-Glazer Man Utd being an obvious exception—they made so much more profit than they ever needed for transfers, the whole Ryan-Giggs-is-worth-literally-zero-on-the-books thing didn't matter to their bottom line).

 

Even Arsenal, often held up as a paragon of a well-run club, is arguably in worse shape that Real Madrid, often vilified for their financial recklessness.

 

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