Luis Suárez

[madras]

Can't see how a ref can consistently decide every single time a handball has 'stopped' a goal. Sometimes it will be obvious and sometimes it won't. Last night it was obvious that Suarez prevented a goal but it won't be as clear every time. Penalty goals are inherently unfeasible imo, each incident is different. 

thats like saying the pro foul when in on goal last man type thing is.

[madras]

The red card you get for handballing on the line is punishment enough. Ask Harry Kewell if he would rather have let Ghana score in the first match. In most cases, the penalty will be scored and the team will be a man down. The last seconds of the match are really the only time when it is to your advantage.

 

Also, it is not cheating. If you call this cheating, then every single foul is also cheating. It is an infringement that was correctly noted and dealt with by the referee. Suarez was duly punished. What else do people want?

not every foul but every DELIBERATE foul.

[Segun Oluwaniyi]

The red card you get for handballing on the line is punishment enough. Ask Harry Kewell if he would rather have let Ghana score in the first match. In most cases, the penalty will be scored and the team will be a man down. The last seconds of the match are really the only time when it is to your advantage.

 

Also, it is not cheating. If you call this cheating, then every single foul is also cheating. It is an infringement that was correctly noted and dealt with by the referee. Suarez was duly punished. What else do people want?

not every foul but every DELIBERATE foul.

Have you ever played football? Defenders deliberately foul all the time. It happens almost every minute of a football match.

[midds]

Can't see how a ref can consistently decide every single time a handball has 'stopped' a goal. Sometimes it will be obvious and sometimes it won't. Last night it was obvious that Suarez prevented a goal but it won't be as clear every time. Penalty goals are inherently unfeasible imo, each incident is different. 

thats like saying the pro foul when in on goal last man type thing is.

 

What I mean is the ref may not always be in a position to see if the shot is going in before it's handled. How can he award a goal for a shot which may or may not have been going in before it's handled? 

 

Last night it was obvious, tomorrow it might not be. It's a shit idea imo madras, sorry. 

[madras]

The red card you get for handballing on the line is punishment enough. Ask Harry Kewell if he would rather have let Ghana score in the first match. In most cases, the penalty will be scored and the team will be a man down. The last seconds of the match are really the only time when it is to your advantage.

 

Also, it is not cheating. If you call this cheating, then every single foul is also cheating. It is an infringement that was correctly noted and dealt with by the referee. Suarez was duly punished. What else do people want?

not every foul but every DELIBERATE foul.

Have you ever played football? Defenders deliberately foul all the time. It happens almost every minute of a football match.

yes i have, most of it as a defender, decent one at that. most don't deliberatly foul all the time. we often get caught for pace and foul unintentionally because of it.

[Wullie]

So what if there's uncertainty of whether it's going in or not? Perfect example tonight - da silva on the line could have scooped villa's shot off the line with his hand. Was it going in off the second post? Obviously it did but i didn't have a clue where it was going until it did.

then if he's not sure he doesnt give it. quite simple really.

 

Then when they miss the penalty we get the same discussion.

[Segun Oluwaniyi]

The red card you get for handballing on the line is punishment enough. Ask Harry Kewell if he would rather have let Ghana score in the first match. In most cases, the penalty will be scored and the team will be a man down. The last seconds of the match are really the only time when it is to your advantage.

 

Also, it is not cheating. If you call this cheating, then every single foul is also cheating. It is an infringement that was correctly noted and dealt with by the referee. Suarez was duly punished. What else do people want?

not every foul but every DELIBERATE foul.

Have you ever played football? Defenders deliberately foul all the time. It happens almost every minute of a football match.

yes i have, most of it as a defender, decent one at that. most don't deliberatly foul all the time. we often get caught for pace and foul unintentionally because of it.

I was also a defender. I know that if I hadn't yet been booked I would stick my leg out and take my yellow card if danger was developing, especially later in the match.

[madras]

So what if there's uncertainty of whether it's going in or not? Perfect example tonight - da silva on the line could have scooped villa's shot off the line with his hand. Was it going in off the second post? Obviously it did but i didn't have a clue where it was going until it did.

then if he's not sure he doesnt give it. quite simple really.

 

Then when they miss the penalty we get the same discussion.

hows that ? it's like when he gives a penalty for a foul in the box but isn't sure if the defender was the last man or if it was a goalscoring iopportunity so just gives a yellow instead of a red.

[Exiled in Texas]

 

Referees already struggle to get the fouls and handling calls right, which they do most of the time but it still leaves some missed or miss called. This would be putting too much emphasis on "ITOOTR - In The Opinion Of The Referee"

 

Giving a referee the ability to award a goal when one wasn't scored - or requiring him to award one if the situation was right would turn into a huge mess. 

 

It's bad enough with all the players crowding the referees about decisions etc (yellow not red etc, last man etc).  Imagine the scene at every hand ball in the area.

 

This is a one-in-a-million occurance and you would be creating 999,999 problems to solve one.

[Colocho]

For your team and country ... without a doubt.

[Guest diddimz]

In that situation, definately, I wouldn't even think twice about it infact.

[alpal78]

So what if there's uncertainty of whether it's going in or not? Perfect example tonight - da silva on the line could have scooped villa's shot off the line with his hand. Was it going in off the second post? Obviously it did but i didn't have a clue where it was going until it did.

then if he's not sure he doesnt give it. quite simple really.

 

Then when they miss the penalty we get the same discussion.

 

Wullie I don't think we can ever get an end to fans debating 'dodgy' decisions, but that does not mean we should not try to reduce them. If the ref is clear he should give a goal and no card. If he is not, then a penalty + red card. You are right in the case of the latter, if the penalty was not scored, people would still argue that it was a 'clear' goal. But at least when we have a clear situation like the Suarez handball, then the ref can give a goal which was what Ghana should have got.

[Neil]

What about a player who constantly hangs half a yard offside in the hope that the linesman will miss just one of them and send him clean through?

 

Shola?

 

A bit like that, but deliberately, not just cos he's thick as mince.

 

That goal against Everton where he collected it about 5 yards off, looked at the linesman, shrugged his shoulders and buried it.

 

Going a bit far there like.

 

 

[LucaAltieri]

It's not cheating, it's gamesmanship.

 

He knew the rules, knew the punishment, and decided the red card was worth getting to prevent the goal.

 

The rules were enforced.

 

It might not be in the spirit of the game but then again neither is time wasting, holding the ball up by the corner flag to run down the clock. Not much that can be done about it, though.

[Unlucky Luque]

Yeah he cheated. but Ghana got their penalty. If they had scored nobody would care.

[Dinho lad]

He was punished for his "cheating". End of story.

[mrmojorisin75]

Ahahahahha, summed up nicely by the Fiver:

 

"When Uruguay striker Luis Suarez fisted a goal-bound shot off the line in the closing seconds of his team's World Cup quarter-final against Ghana, a number of things happened before everyone in the world completely lost the run of themselves and started bleating self-righteously and wailing: "But what about the children? The children, dammit!"

 

Suarez was sent off and Ghana were awarded a penalty, as the rules of football dictate. Asamoah Gyan mistook his spot-kick for Soccer AM's cross-bar challenge, won a T-shirt and prompted a shoot-out in which two of his team-mates also missed spot-kicks and his goalkeeper showed a demonstrable lack of research, resulting in Ghana's exit from the tournament.

 

The blame for all this Ghanaian self-harm was laid squarely at the door of Suarez, who demonstrated his obvious remorse much as you'd expect: Riverdancing a celebratory jig in the tunnel, before getting carried shoulder-high around the pitch by tut-tutting team-mates and flipping metaphorical Vs at the sanctimonious hordes of mouth-foaming imbeciles who are now calling for football teams to be awarded goals when the ball hasn't crossed the line. Because they do a similar thing in rugby, see? A sport where constant knee-jerk tampering with the rules has completely destroyed the sport in the past 12 months."

[DJ_NUFC]

Bollocks. Why don't we go back to no offsides and a host of other laws that I'm sure were called upon by a vocal advocacy group seeking change at the time and who were in turn called 'imbeciles' for having an opinion based on the fact that other sports quite comfortably deal with such situations.

 

And why do people in this thread keep asking the same bloody questions? Mentioning it the third time now:

 

H A W K  E Y E.

 

It's the only way to ensure this rule change would work. Otherwise it's useless and leave it as it is, as Wullie's example of Villa's goal is spot-onto highlight the holes in this rule-change. You'll need technology to confirm and assist refs. Until we have the free pass to use that technology, we're all just shooting the sh1t in the pub.

[mrmojorisin75]

Bollocks. Why don't we go back to no offsides and a host of other laws that I'm sure were called upon by a vocal advocacy group seeking change at the time and who were in turn called 'imbeciles' for having an opinion based on the fact that other sports quite comfortably deal with such situations.

 

And why do people in this thread keep asking the same bloody questions? Mentioning it the third time now:

 

H A W K  E Y E.

 

It's the only way to ensure this rule change would work. Otherwise it's useless and leave it as it is, as Wullie's example of Villa's goal is spot-onto highlight the holes in this rule-change. You'll need technology to confirm and assist refs. Until we have the free pass to use that technology, we're all just shooting the sh1t in the pub.

what do you need Hawkeye for?  the officials spotted it and Suarez was sent off.

[DJ_NUFC]

To see if it'd have crossed the line.

 

When Harbhajan Singh bowls a flipper and Kevin Pietersen front foots it hoping it's sliding down the leg, he's surprised to find it hit him plumb in the middle of the pad, and then what happens? The umpire clearly see the ball's been stopped illegally, right, from hitting the stumps behind KP, and turns around and makes a little invisible rectangle. The fourth umpire sees this as a cue to check the TV replays, and using Hawk Eye confirms KP had seriously miscalculated the trajectory of the ball, and that it is, indeed, plumb, hits the switch which says OUT and a red light goes off in front of his window, sending the crowd at Eden Gardens into a frenzy.

 

Innit.

[mrmojorisin75]

To see if it'd have crossed the line.

 

When Harbhajan Singh bowls a flipper and Kevin Pietersen front foots it hoping it's sliding down the leg, he's surprised to find it hit him plumb in the middle of the pad, and then what happens? The umpire clearly see the ball's been stopped illegally, right, from hitting the stumps behind KP, and turns around and makes a little invisible rectangle. The fourth umpire sees this as a cue to check the TV replays, and using Hawk Eye confirms KP had seriously miscalculated the trajectory of the ball, and that it is, indeed, plumb, hits the switch which says OUT and a red light goes off in front of his window, sending the crowd at Eden Gardens into a frenzy.

 

Innit.