Foluwashola Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Bit surprised gggg favours a rule which plays into the hands of the elite, considering his usual views on here. An elite team should surely be finishing top 4. It's horrible on the rare occasion it happens, but the defending champions should get priority over a team finishing 4th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Should be top 2/3 maximum anyhoo but thats a different argument. Reinvigorate the Waffa Cup you greedy mugs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 It's a shame we'll never see a Red Star Belgrade type of win in the CL again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Bit surprised gggg favours a rule which plays into the hands of the elite, considering his usual views on here. It's just common sense to have the winners qualify over everybody else. And having 5 Premier League teams, 1/4 of the league in is certainly favorable to the elite. Giving the teams that qualify the previous year (more than likely the sides who get in every year) a path to entry which is impossible for the fourth placed team to influence (if they haven't qualified previously) is unfairly balanced towards the top clubs. I really don't see why winning a tournament you qualified for last year should have any bearing on qualifying for it this year. Completely outdated idea having the holders defend their trophy - their defence should start by making sure they qualify through the league, just like the World Cup winners' starts with making sure they get there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 I wonder what Harry Redknapp's opinion is. Look forward to his snide bitterness seeping through his quasi-dignified exterior. "well we're disappointed, but we've had a good season, we weren't even competing for Europe when I took over... let alone disappointed to miss out on the Champions League... we knew the rules at the start of the season... even if they aren't fair, and should be changed retrospectively... but we knew 'em, we just got to move forward.. try and find some players, there's this one guy who has one year left on his contract we're looking at unsettling, his name is..." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 The winners of the World Club Cup don't defend their trophy do they? Nor do the winners of the League Cup (if they happen to finish bottom of League Two ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Pretty sure the WC rule changed to stop nations from having 2/4 years with nothing to do more than anything. Not sure how having a champion defend their title is outdated. Its just common sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 The winners of the Premier League do though, FTW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 Bit surprised gggg favours a rule which plays into the hands of the elite, considering his usual views on here. It's just common sense to have the winners qualify over everybody else. And having 5 Premier League teams, 1/4 of the league in is certainly favorable to the elite. Giving the teams that qualify the previous year (more than likely the sides who get in every year) a path to entry which is impossible for the fourth placed team to influence (if they haven't qualified previously) is unfairly balanced towards the top clubs. I really don't see why winning a tournament you qualified for last year should have any bearing on qualifying for it this year. Completely outdated idea having the holders defend their trophy - their defence should start by making sure they qualify through the league, just like the World Cup winners' starts with making sure they get there. Sums up UEFA as a whole tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 It's outdated in the sense it used to be the Champions League by being made up of champions, so having the champions in was the basic principle. That went a long time ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 It was weighted so massively in Chelsea's favour to qualify for the Champions League through the normal means, should be tough shit for them if there's only 4 places going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 First thing UEFA should do is change the name just so we avoid this tedious "it's supposed to be Champions" shit every year. The competition has changed, get over it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 It was weighted so massively in Chelsea's favour to qualify for the Champions League through the normal means, should be tough shit for them if there's only 4 places going. Exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 First thing UEFA should do is change the name just so we avoid this tedious "it's supposed to be Champions" shit every year. The competition has changed, get over it. Yep, doesn't make any sense that otherwise logical people still go on about this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 First thing UEFA should do is change the name just so we avoid this tedious "it's supposed to be Champions" shit every year. The competition has changed, get over it. 2nd. Get rid of the group stages and create knock-out only compeition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 First thing UEFA should do is change the name just so we avoid this tedious "it's supposed to be Champions" s*** every year. The competition has changed, get over it. 2nd. Get rid of the group stages and create knock-out only compeition. and get rid of the seeding, if real madrid get barce in the first round, so be it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 First thing UEFA should do is change the name just so we avoid this tedious "it's supposed to be Champions" s*** every year. The competition has changed, get over it. 2nd. Get rid of the group stages and create knock-out only compeition. and get rid of the seeding, if real madrid get barce in the first round, so be it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 What's the problem with seeding? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 What's the problem with seeding? Seeding is good. Otherwise it'll be like the FA cup and teams equivalent to Cardiff will get to the final. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 What's the problem with seeding? Seeding is good. Otherwise it'll be like the FA cup and teams equivalent to Cardiff will get to the final. Then so be it. Again it gives an unfair advantage towards the clubs in the richest/successful leagues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 What's the problem with seeding? Seeding is good. Otherwise it'll be like the FA cup and teams equivalent to Cardiff will get to the final. How come that doesn't happen every year in the FA Cup and didn't happen in the old European Cup? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 What's the problem with seeding? It's hugely favoured in terms of draws and finances towards the bigger team due to the coefficients etc. I don't see why a team should be "hamstrug" by what nation they come from, a league win is a league win IMO Despite APOEL reaching the QFs they'll have earnt way less than any of the other QFs this season because they're not an attractive watch. Different argument but the "prize money" in the CL is the main reason the FA/Waffa has turned too. So ridiculously overweighted it's untrue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 What's the problem with seeding? Seeding is good. Otherwise it'll be like the FA cup and teams equivalent to Cardiff will get to the final. How come that doesn't happen every year in the FA Cup and didn't happen in the old European Cup? It's seeding that makes it easy for the top clubs and harder for the smaller clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 What's the problem with seeding? Seeding is good. Otherwise it'll be like the FA cup and teams equivalent to Cardiff will get to the final. How come that doesn't happen every year in the FA Cup and didn't happen in the old European Cup? Would imagine there would have been a lot more random teams making it to the QFs/SFs, but eventually top teams will always make it to the final. Surely seeding is more of an issue with regards to favouring "elite" clubs than the current qualification system? Not that I want seeding abolished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 What's the problem with seeding? Seeding is good. Otherwise it'll be like the FA cup and teams equivalent to Cardiff will get to the final. How come that doesn't happen every year in the FA Cup and didn't happen in the old European Cup? Would imagine there would have been a lot more random teams making it to the QFs/SFs, but eventually top teams will always make it to the final. Surely seeding is more of an issue with regards to favouring "elite" clubs than the current qualification system? Not that I want seeding abolished. Of course it is, yeah, and it should be abolished. At the very least it should be gotten rid of once in the tournament proper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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