Taylor Swift Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 It's a good post because Ronaldo talks about facts. What you, CT, tend to post is not facts, but whatever bullshit you've dreamt up to justify your ludicrous opinions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Id call Jonas & Obertan wingers every day of the week, bizarre topic to argue Back to the whole Ben Arfa actually getting in the side topic I dont see how people can look past Pardew stating that he doesnt believe Ben Arfa enjoys playing there, that opinion will have come from some form of discussion. Potentially a discussion that was involved in the lad signing for us, add in the lack of defensive work as others have stated and its not a clear situation atall. It likely is between him & best imo & that isnt an obvious choice by any means either. Pretty much spot on that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 It's a good post because Ronaldo talks about facts. What you, CT, tend to post is not facts, but whatever bullshit you've dreamt up to justify your ludicrous opinions. They're opinions laddy. Surely the forum is open to the normal fan who just pays his money, takes his seat in the ground and watches the game as well as the skilled internet soopafan who has played half way around europe on football manager. You might not agree with my opinion but feel free to show me anything Ive said which is made up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Your opinions are based on a lot of conjecture about Ben Arfa's character and his behavior. It's funny that you talk about the forum being open to people who watches the game as well as the internet soopafan. Well, from where I'm sitting, it seems that you've made up your mind about Ben Arfa without actually having seen him play. That's why people jump on your opinions. If you were, say, someone who has watched him before this, then maybe your opinion on him, his style of play and his character would be more valid and the reasonable people on here would respond to you more favorably. People who have made their minds up about Ben Arfa being shit (I'm paraphrasing) have clearly a) ignored his entire career, and b) have decided that 300 minutes of football after returning from a year-long injury is enough to form a reliable opinion on his footballing ability and traits. If you think that he hasn't looked good so far, then look at his career. That should be enough to convince you that he merits a real chance and a real run in the team, preferably many matches in a row over a period of many months. I've commented on Ramsey's improvement over the past 6 months, whose recovery timeframe is one that I would expect Ben Arfa's to parallel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I'm also quite certain that people's harsh opinions on Ben Arfa will soften over time. He's an incredible player. You will all become fanboys; it's just a matter of when. He's capable of elevating us to a level that no one in our squad currently, and no one in the world that we can reasonably expect to buy, can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I'm also quite certain that people's harsh opinions on Ben Arfa will soften over time. He's an incredible player. You will all become fanboys; it's just a matter of when. He's capable of elevating us to a level that no one in our squad currently, and no one in the world that we can reasonably expect to buy, can. This is why the whole fanboy argument is pointless. Yes, some people love Ben Arfa beyond what might be considered "reasonable" based on what he's done for us, and forgive him more errors than other players too. But that's because he plays football with freedom, without fear, and how it should be played. He takes risks in order to produce magic, and his potential is amazing if we give him a chance. He plays football how it's supposed to be played, he's the sort of player football fans are supposed to go mental over, especially Newcastle ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Thank f*** for that. For talking with certitudes about a subject while ignoring some of his aspects ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Christmas Tree's display pic is making me hate Shane Ferguson. I keep assuming CT looks like a 13 year old with special needs (posting history would confirm he most probably does) and I now don't like little Fergie. You bastad, what have you done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 his most important contribution was giving away a daft penalty. What a load of garbage. Such a mackem anti-NUFC s*** Well, no, it's actually a fact. Who would you be supporting right now if Hatem had signed for the mackems, eh? Such a whore. The penalty is a fact yes but it's "his most important contribution" for RDT posters. Hatem hadn't signed for the mackems, so you question is pointless as usual and he didn't choose Newcastle by accident. The subject here isn't my person neither, but the load of s*** you're capable of when talking about this player. It clearly was his most important contribution, you fairy. He played well but that's the only action that directly impacted the scoreline. By all means attack my opinions, although it's becoming very tedious to say the least. Quite laughable that you (and countless other minions) come on here looking for an argument with those of us who pay your fantasy man's salary. That it offends you so deeply that I want him to play RW says everything that needs to be said about you as a person - if joining this forum simply because of one player didn't already. f*** me, this is like the offside rule. this means that his pass to ba is only important if ba scores, 99.9% of a game of football is unimportant, also there would have been no problem in his giving away the penalty if the penalty is subsequently missed. you don't hear many people saying that at the match do you "hey our full back has given the ball away every time he's had it but it's not important as the score line is still 0-0. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Well said Madras. As to the last few pages.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 This was once the best thread on the forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I was merely pointing out that as encouraging as his display was, there's really nothing we can take from it that could defend destroying a partnership that has won us games. Look at the context next time, Madras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 This was once the best thread on the forum. I hate coming in here now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 This was once the best thread on the forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/7233/scaledphptn0server638fi.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/7233/scaledphptn0server638fi.jpg OMG, was that today, is he leaving!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Christmas Tree's display pic is making me hate Shane Ferguson. I keep assuming CT looks like a 13 year old with special needs (posting history would confirm he most probably does) and I now don't like little Fergie. You bastad, what have you done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/7233/scaledphptn0server638fi.jpg Ah yes, and everybody commenting on the colour and font on the f***ing Information signs Was an amazing night that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I was merely pointing out that as encouraging as his display was, there's really nothing we can take from it that could defend destroying a partnership that has won us games. Look at the context next time, Madras. yes there was, he set up one of the best chances in the game and very nearly scored. best/ba wouldn't have won against citeh so it's still very much open. it may even be that our best formation may come after it's been tried and lost a game, believe it or not, teams do lose games with their best formation available. you happen to think best/ba is the best available use of resources, i don't but even then any change may take time to work. oh btw, i got the context spot on, you were just doing whatever it took, no matter how daft to paint your side of the argument a nicer colour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 The game is basically immaterial to the argument. That was my point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Fortunately, there are many mature and open minded posters on here, not guided by a dubious and intolerant clan spirit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Your opinions are based on a lot of conjecture about Ben Arfa's character and his behavior. It's funny that you talk about the forum being open to people who watches the game as well as the internet soopafan. Well, from where I'm sitting, it seems that you've made up your mind about Ben Arfa without actually having seen him play. That's why people jump on your opinions. If you were, say, someone who has watched him before this, then maybe your opinion on him, his style of play and his character would be more valid and the reasonable people on here would respond to you more favorably. People who have made their minds up about Ben Arfa being shit (I'm paraphrasing) have clearly a) ignored his entire career, and b) have decided that 300 minutes of football after returning from a year-long injury is enough to form a reliable opinion on his footballing ability and traits. If you think that he hasn't looked good so far, then look at his career. That should be enough to convince you that he merits a real chance and a real run in the team, preferably many matches in a row over a period of many months. I've commented on Ramsey's improvement over the past 6 months, whose recovery timeframe is one that I would expect Ben Arfa's to parallel. I would hazard a guess you dont even know my opinion on Ben Arfa. What you and others like you do is react ridiculously to any comment in the sacred Ben Arfa thread that isnt full on praise and ignore the actual opinion. My opinion is fairly simple. I have heard lots about him and he scored a cracker against Everton but has yet to "do it" as a Newcastle player. I hope it eventually all goes well for him here but until it does I think its fairly sensible to be a bit more objective about where he is at on his recovery and how / if / when the TEAM can accommodate him. This of course is at odds with those in this thread who openly worship the player and think it is only a matter of time before Pardew builds an entire team around him and he becomes the greatest player to grace a Newcastle shirt. I've been watching football long enough to know it doesnt always pan out like that. Am I unreasonable to want to continue with a forward pairing that has got us so high in the league. I think not. The conjecture I guess you refer to is things like the Chronicle and Sunday Sun stories on him possibly refusing to play in the reserves and Pardews comments that "He has no relish" to play on the wing. As far as I am concerned if they are good enough discussions for the manager and local press to have they are equally good enough for an internet football thread. As for the comments about posters responding better if Id watched him before he came to Newcastle......what can I say? Im a Newcastle fan and have virtually no other football interest outside of watching Newcastle. Did many people watch Tiote before we got him? Does that mean we cant have an opinion on him? As usual you trot out the dramatic line about people who think Ben Arfa is shit (paraphrasing you say). I cant recall anyone saying he was anything like shit at all. Ive heard people say they prefer Best or prefer Ba AT THE MINUTE, or that he should be out wide etc.....But nothing I could recognise as calling him shit. The fact that I as a Newcastle fan am quite happy at the the moment with a line up that has got us to third and unbeaten (prior to city) should not really draw the bile it does or be transformed into "Ben Arfa Hater" crap. I hope he eventually recovers fully, gets into the team when it suits the team and goes on to have a great career here, however when he next starts, has a cracker and scores a few goals, I will bet a great deal of money this last paragraph will be conveniently forgotten. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Absolutely no way Best should come in for Ben Arfa now, as much as I appreciate the effort and work Best has done this year. Ben Arfa is without a doubt the most gifted attacker in our side and has to be playing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Nice try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts