Colocho Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 HBA should start instead of Best in support of Ba, or instead of Obertan. As simple as that really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 I agree with Pardews comments, if he's not at his best and other people are performing better, why should'nt them people start ahead of Ben Arfa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Five o Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 HBA should start instead of Best in support of Ba, or instead of Obertan. As simple as that really. I'd agree with you, but I keep going back to the same point. Surely Pardew can only start him in those positions if he shows enough in training or in the games he does get to suggest he'd be better than the alternatives (something which is very very debatable at the minute)? He need a string of games, like Obertan have had. The thing that worries me is the Tevez/Mascherano episode with Pardew. There are no fucking way they was out of form or could not play for West Ham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 There are managers who simply prefer disciplined hard worker with zero risk in their game to players like HBA. When Marseille was one of the best team in Europe (end of eighties), Cantona was benched by Goethals who didn't like his "fantasy"... Ronaldinho was benched by Luis comical Fernandez at PSG The reason Pardew gave to explain why Shola came instead of Ben Arfa for Best is also interesting and significant of his football philosophy : “Actually, I thought that maybe a diagonal coming in that box with Shola climbing on the back of a centre-half might just be enough." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 I don't think you can write off Pardew's entire philosophy just because he thought Shola winning a high ball might be a way to beat Swansea. We've signed HBA, Marveaux, Obertan, Cabaye, not players you buy if you're recreating Stoke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BEN BEN BEN ARFA Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Then why did you sign hatem you forget Anelka for comic "Nico et Luis" I advise Pardew to watch Game 6 of Marseille last month when they won the championship for the provision of even Ben Arfa Deschamp persist when the meter is banc.et when it comes fesait becaufe the situation was critical Ex .. Toulouse, Bordeaux, reindeer do for the example site Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Again, three starts so far: City, United and Chelsea. Not fair to judge him on that. I'd definately start him tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 I don't think Ben Arfa off just BA will work. I think Ba has played better with a big man in front/beside him this year, such as Best or Shola tbh. I have seen no evidence yet that Ba/Ben Arfa will work as well, however I believe Ben Arfa has to be in there somewhere maybe as part of a front 3 or on the right drifting in (Can't be worse than alien head) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShearMagic Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 When he's played this year I've found myself shouting at the screen for him to work harder, and he needs to. This is the English game, everyone needs to contribute defensively and you can't get away with being a man down defensively against most teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 We've signed HBA, Marveaux, Obertan, Cabaye, not players you buy if you're recreating Stoke. You can add Santon to that list. Because of these players presence - bar Obertan (retrospectively, I admit) - and the game project (submited to Cabaye by Pardew) at the start of the season, I hoped to see a more ambitious Pardew in term of game scheme. Look at the difference between Santon and Simpson/Raylor in their respective relaunch from the back. I saw the italian full back always searching to come out with proper passes, avoiding losing possession with long balls ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 I am so sick to death of this crap that gets spewed - "prodigious talent", "gifted", everyone else is shite in comparison. He has made two, count 'em TWO appearances as a sub for France in the last 2 and a half seasons. You have to go all the way back to the heady days of 2007 if you wanted to see him get an International start (unfortunately, you wouldn't see hiom finish as he was generally subbed off at aroung 75 minutes). The guy is possibly just slightly above average but we don't know that because he can't seem to earn a place in the team. I am not part of the youtube generation that drools over tribute compilations lasting 2 minutes. All I can go by is what he does when we see him play and also what the coaches and manager deem him worthy of. It is entirely comical that Obertan is shit, Jonas is shit, Shola is shit, Sami is shit, Vuckic is shit, etc. etc. Guess what children, they are ahead of Ben Arfa because they are more deserving of a place PERIOD. Glorify him all you want but the fact is he hasn't earned it. If they are all deserving of a place ahead of HBA no doubt they'll keep creating and scoring goals and we'll keep winning. Personally speaking I don't see many assists or goals coming from either Jonas or Obertan whatever other qualities they have. Maybe the opposition will give us an own goal every week so we can get the points every time. We have scored a fair amount without the opposition giving us own goals Ba's score nearly all of them though. Read Parky's statistic of Obertan's 1 assist and 0 goals in 16 games. Now I know statistics don't tell the whole story but it's not even as if Obertan's defensive work is sterling like it is with Jonas. He sort of tracks back in a half-hearted fashion with usually little impact on the opposition winger. IMO one of our wingers must present a real threat to the opposition, otherwise you might as well play Ryan Taylor there if you just want a defender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 When he's played this year I've found myself shouting at the screen for him to work harder, and he needs to. This is the English game, everyone needs to contribute defensively and you can't get away with being a man down defensively against most teams. I think he can learn in England how to work harder, but as I said previously, he'll never work like Jonas do (I think nobody here asks him to be a second Jonas) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 We've signed HBA, Marveaux, Obertan, Cabaye, not players you buy if you're recreating Stoke. You can add Santon to that list. Because of these players presence - bar Obertan (retrospectively, I admit) - and the game project (submited to Cabaye by Pardew) at the start of the season, I hoped to see a more ambitious Pardew in term of game scheme. Look at the difference between Santon and Simpson/Raylor in their respective relaunch from the back. I saw the italian full back always searching to come out with proper passes, avoiding losing possession with long balls ... I think he has decided to delay big changes until later, because we have had such a good start. In some ways it has been difficult for him to be winning games without the likes of HBA and Santon, he hasn't had a clear reason to change the team. Upsetting the balance of a winning team can be a scary thing. He seems to have moved Santon in now, and I hope he will do the same with Ben Arfa soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BEN BEN BEN ARFA Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 We've signed HBA, Marveaux, Obertan, Cabaye, not players you buy if you're recreating Stoke. You can add Santon to that list. Because of these players presence - bar Obertan (retrospectively, I admit) - and the game project (submited to Cabaye by Pardew) at the start of the season, I hoped to see a more ambitious Pardew in term of game scheme. Look at the difference between Santon and Simpson/Raylor in their respective relaunch from the back. I saw the italian full back always searching to come out with proper passes, avoiding losing possession with long balls ... they have the player as you said. Obertan except that one day it would espliquer that football is not to take the ball to run to the point of corner.il made from bordeaux Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 When he's played this year I've found myself shouting at the screen for him to work harder, and he needs to. This is the English game, everyone needs to contribute defensively and you can't get away with being a man down defensively against most teams. Christ almighty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Obertan except that one day it would espliquer that football is not to take the ball to run to the point of corner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Obertan except that one day it would espliquer that football is not to take the ball to run to the point of corner. He's right though! I think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Obertan except that one day it would espliquer that football is not to take the ball to run to the point of corner. He's right though! I think Of course he is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BEN BEN BEN ARFA Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Obertan except that one day it would espliquer that football is not to take the ball to run to the point of corner. is the translation makes you laugh and then you noticed the Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Obertan except that one day it would espliquer that football is not to take the ball to run to the point of corner. is the trduction makes you laugh and then you noticed the No, not the traduction, but your perfect description of Obertan's skill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 When he's played this year I've found myself shouting at the screen for him to work harder, and he needs to. This is the English game, everyone needs to contribute defensively and you can't get away with being a man down defensively against most teams. Is that you, Fat Sam? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Pards presser was interesting, he said Hatem needs to step it up a level but that he trained well today and that after the nature of his injury the club need to protect him and introduce him at the right time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BEN BEN BEN ARFA Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Obertan except that one day it would espliquer that football is not to take the ball to run to the point of corner. is the trduction makes you laugh and then you noticed the No, not the traduction, but your perfect description of Obertan's skill Or the way he hit a sprite with the ball and suddenly it stops you do not know why. he had to do 2 / 3 times the match derneir Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShearMagic Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 When he's played this year I've found myself shouting at the screen for him to work harder, and he needs to. This is the English game, everyone needs to contribute defensively and you can't get away with being a man down defensively against most teams. Is that you, Fat Sam? Which teams in the Premier League don't defend from the front these days? I bet you can't name one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest H09 Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Ben Arfa exquisitly chipped the keeper in my dream last night, but it was against West Ham, odd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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