Dave Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Btw it makes me laugh that this forum and the likes of Colocho are labelled overly negative when you look at the reaction to news like this elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Risk getting shot down in flames as this isn't / / Will Tiote's new £50k (around £2.6m a year) wages over a six and a half year period (around £16.9m) be taken out of the Carroll money? By the way, I've been accused/called a lot of names in this thread - if any of you knew my personally you'd realise how pleased I am about this news. It's just I find this board is a good place to voice concerns, amongst mainly reasonable people. And before anyone tries any low blows towards United For Newcastle, please check the Facebook/Twitter profiles as to how the news has been received. On a day where an obviously a piece of good news has been announced, your first two comments were "Why have they done it now? Should have waited until the summer." and "What are win going to do if Chelsea bid £18 million for him. Carroll situation all over again", you can surely understand why people are being frosty with you. But it's not like I'm saying he shouldn't have been offered a new contract, or got a wage rise ... just think we should have waited until the summer to offer it. If that's worthy of being called a negative bastard etc etc then well, I'll keep any thoughts that question the actions of the hierarchy of this club to myself. Why though? While others have given reasons for doing it now, you still haven't given us any decent explaination of why we should have waited until the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Risk getting shot down in flames as this isn't / / Will Tiote's new £50k (around £2.6m a year) wages over a six and a half year period (around £16.9m) be taken out of the Carroll money? By the way, I've been accused/called a lot of names in this thread - if any of you knew my personally you'd realise how pleased I am about this news. It's just I find this board is a good place to voice concerns, amongst mainly reasonable people. And before anyone tries any low blows towards United For Newcastle, please check the Facebook/Twitter profiles as to how the news has been received. On a day where an obviously a piece of good news has been announced, your first two comments were "Why have they done it now? Should have waited until the summer." and "What are win going to do if Chelsea bid £18 million for him. Carroll situation all over again", you can surely understand why people are being frosty with you. But it's not like I'm saying he shouldn't have been offered a new contract, or got a wage rise ... just think we should have waited until the summer to offer it. If that's worthy of being called a negative bastard etc etc then well, I'll keep any thoughts that question the actions of the hierarchy of this club to myself. No, we (or at least I) want to hear those thoughts, but simply want you to explain the reasoning behind them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 just think we should have waited until the summer to offer it To lift a bit of the gloom that is still knocking around since they sold AC & the comments from Jose & Barton + the failure to secure either of them to longer term deals as of yet. Yes it may of been brought forward but the clubs finances have been dramatically boosted since the window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest axel Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Just woke up and saw this headline , fuck yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchie Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Excellent news. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/9407386.stm Nolan's delighted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Risk getting shot down in flames as this isn't / / Will Tiote's new £50k (around £2.6m a year) wages over a six and a half year period (around £16.9m) be taken out of the Carroll money? By the way, I've been accused/called a lot of names in this thread - if any of you knew my personally you'd realise how pleased I am about this news. It's just I find this board is a good place to voice concerns, amongst mainly reasonable people. And before anyone tries any low blows towards United For Newcastle, please check the Facebook/Twitter profiles as to how the news has been received. On a day where an obviously a piece of good news has been announced, your first two comments were "Why have they done it now? Should have waited until the summer." and "What are win going to do if Chelsea bid £18 million for him. Carroll situation all over again", you can surely understand why people are being frosty with you. But it's not like I'm saying he shouldn't have been offered a new contract, or got a wage rise ... just think we should have waited until the summer to offer it. If that's worthy of being called a negative bastard etc etc then well, I'll keep any thoughts that question the actions of the hierarchy of this club to myself. Why though? While others have given reasons for doing it now, you still haven't given us any decent explaination of why we should have waited until the summer. I have actually. I would have waited until the end of the season as it is closer to the transfer window opening. The point I'm trying so hard to make is that - As we saw with Carroll, players signing a long-term contract make little difference to clubs with a lot of cash that want their man. Carroll signed a 5 year contract at his hometown club, did that deter a club from making an offer only 3 months later (as well as others showing interest?) I just feel that offering a new contract at the end of the season would be a better signal to other clubs that he is not for sale. Again, opening myself up to a volley of abuse, but this is just a thought - as much as he has become a key part of the side, should any player get a £30/35k pay rise after playing 19 games, which he has excelled in, but also picked up 9 yellow cards? On the other hand, tying Tiote down is a great signal to key players such as Enrique and Barton whose contracts expire in less than 18 months time. Most agreed with the club not entertaining Carroll's demands for a new contract, on the basis he had only signed one three months earlier. However, what will we be said IF a substancial bid is made in the summer by a Man City or a Chelsea type. It's one thing the club rejecting/accepting offers, but if the player demands a new contract, and he's already on £50k a week, see Andy Carroll/Liverpool. We're back to the principles of the club now, which are rather unclear at the best of times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Its superb news and you know what i don't give a flying fuck if his wages are coming out of the £35m, we need to keep him for as long as we can. Over the moon with this news Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/9407386.stm Nolan's delighted He sure is. But what is it with football players and the word delighted. Can't they fluctuate their vocabulary a bit? Using "delighted" all the time makes the interview so artificial.. Like a learned response..Whenever in doubt, "delighted" is the answer... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouldy_uk Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Great News! Signals good intent from the club about wanting to keep their best players, plus increases the amount someone is going to have to pay for him. Win, Win for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 People were saying Carroll wasn't worthy of a pay increase after a good half a season in the Premier League. Well we've just given Tiote one and even now he's only played one more game than Carroll had by that time (and only one month further into a new contract too). This is great news but some of the arguments given in favour of selling Carroll don't quite stack up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 First of all Tiote has proven himself to be well worth this deal. The stats show we are a much better side with him in it. Carroll had signed a contract then came knocking for more money. Difference The club have approached Tiote rather then him asking for more, they want to show that he is worth it. We are nailing down one of our top players to a longer term and afforable contract, we know ashley and llambias are trying to run a tight ship so i dont think this is them breaking their structure. Waiting until the summer? I still dont see why, we have just nailed down a top top player, 99% of newcastle fans are over the moon about this and like thespence says its a big moral booster for other players. Can you ever stop a football club thats supported by a feckless billionaire buying or harvetsing other clubs players for stupid money?? The best you can do is tie your best players down to a long term contract, hope it puts other clubs off, if it doesnt, then they have to pay way over the odds. I really cant see the issue with tiote signing this contract. I really cant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 How do you know who asked who? There is NO issue with Tiote signing this contract from my perspective, please don't think that of me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 First of all Tiote has proven himself to be well worth this deal. The stats show we are a much better side with him in it. Carroll had signed a contract then came knocking for more money. Difference The club have approached Tiote rather then him asking for more, they want to show that he is worth it. We are nailing down one of our top players to a longer term and afforable contract, we know ashley and llambias are trying to run a tight ship so i dont think this is them breaking their structure. Waiting until the summer? I still dont see why, we have just nailed down a top top player, 99% of newcastle fans are over the moon about this and like thespence says its a big moral booster for other players. Can you ever stop a football club thats supported by a feckless billionaire buying or harvetsing other clubs players for stupid money?? The best you can do is tie your best players down to a long term contract, hope it puts other clubs off, if it doesnt, then they have to pay way over the odds. I really cant see the issue with tiote signing this contract. I really cant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Btw it makes me laugh that this forum and the likes of Colocho are labelled overly negative when you look at the reaction to news like this elsewhere. What do you mean? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 This is great news but some of the arguments given in favour of selling Carroll don't quite stack up. In addition to what Northerngimp has mentioned: The club was interested in giving him a new contract. But Carroll decided he wanted to be the best paid player in the club. And that's an absurd demand they couldn't say yes to. And Carroll was already on a much better contract than Tiote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Carroll getting an offer from a top club (unofficially, as otherwise it would be 'tapping up') and approaching the club for a pay increase is deemed unreasonable. How do we know the same hasn't happened with Tiote? I'd rather they were both here, I just think some of the double standards on show are a little strange. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 This is great news but some of the arguments given in favour of selling Carroll don't quite stack up. In addition to what Northerngimp has mentioned: The club was interested in giving him a new contract. But Carroll decided he wanted to be the best paid player in the club. And that's an absurd demand they couldn't say yes to. And Carroll was already on a much better contract than Tiote. Source for all that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 How do you know who asked who? There is NO issue with Tiote signing this contract from my perspective, please don't think that of me. I dont think Tiote walked into Pardews office and demanded a new contract...to me it looked like the club was nailing another key player down on a longer term contract. I cant be arsed to go looking but this is not the first long term contract handed out, so to me it looks like a stratergy they are employing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 SIX AND A HALF YEARS!!!!!!!! Absolutely excellent news, hopefully this has a knock-on effect for Enrique too. Some people around here need to wake up, like. Our best player signs a 6 year deal and you can't even be happy for one day? Maybe this'll end in tears, but in the mean time can we enjoy things please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 But it really isn't good practice for a club to continually give into a players demands, regardless of the circumstances. Barriers must be drawn in the current way of operating. Sad, but true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 To celebrate I'm going to stomp around the office Tiote-style for the rest of the afternoon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 But it really isn't good practice for a club to continually give into a players demands, regardless of the circumstances. Barriers must be drawn in the current way of operating. Sad, but true. How many have we gave in to? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 How do you know who asked who? There is NO issue with Tiote signing this contract from my perspective, please don't think that of me. I dont think Tiote walked into Pardews office and demanded a new contract...to me it looked like the club was nailing another key player down on a longer term contract. I cant be arsed to go looking but this is not the first long term contract handed out, so to me it looks like a stratergy they are employing. They've given out a number of long contracts in recent times, to staff and players. I just can't see how you can so easily assume one player did something and another did differently, without actually knowing about either. Bit too convenient for me, that's all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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