Dokko Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 People were saying Carroll wasn't worthy of a pay increase after a good half a season in the Premier League. Well we've just given Tiote one and even now he's only played one more game than Carroll had by that time (and only one month further into a new contract too). This is great news but some of the arguments given in favour of selling Carroll don't quite stack up. One of the points I was trying to make, you've just got it across better. In my opinion it would have been better to award the contract to him at the end of the season, rather than to throw it at him in an attempt to appease the masses/players. People were saying Carroll wasn't worthy of a payrise because he'd just had one, and most were of the opinion that offering to renegotiate in the summer was a fair offer. The Tiote situation is different in pretty much every aspect. But why is it? Surely if a player is wanted by another club, who will offer them more money - you show that you want them at your club by offering as close as you can to what they would earn elsewhere? At least that's the way I see it ... So everytime a player is wanted by a club we increase our wages for that player? Mega Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Obviously you operate within reason. Again, putting words in my mouth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Is Cheik or CheiCk? I'm confused. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Is Cheik or CheiCk? I'm confused. Does matter, he is getting sold in the summer, he'll be cheiking out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Great news! Let's hope the owner has grasped the concept of moving forward without pausing to take steps backwards again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Is Cheik or CheiCk? I'm confused. Cheik Ismael Tioté. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Great news! Let's hope the owner has grasped the concept of moving forward without pausing to take steps backwards again. How many times have we hoped that though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Really suprised by that. Good news. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Great news! Let's hope the owner has grasped the concept of moving forward without pausing to take steps backwards again. Let's not get carried away! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 People were saying Carroll wasn't worthy of a pay increase after a good half a season in the Premier League. Well we've just given Tiote one and even now he's only played one more game than Carroll had by that time (and only one month further into a new contract too). This is great news but some of the arguments given in favour of selling Carroll don't quite stack up. No, people were saying that Caroll wasn't worth a SECOND pay increase in one season, having just signed a new contract in September. I believe they offered to renegotiate in the summer, which seemed fair enough to me. Or a better deal to protect the asset. I am surprised people still think we sold because of a transfer request & a pay rise WE sold because of a £35 million bid. we sold because of all 3., if not there was no need for the request. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Hoser Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Great news to start the weekend! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Great news to start the weekend! Aye, nice enough for a friday afternoon... the sun's almost out as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 People were saying Carroll wasn't worthy of a pay increase after a good half a season in the Premier League. Well we've just given Tiote one and even now he's only played one more game than Carroll had by that time (and only one month further into a new contract too). This is great news but some of the arguments given in favour of selling Carroll don't quite stack up. No, people were saying that Caroll wasn't worth a SECOND pay increase in one season, having just signed a new contract in September. I believe they offered to renegotiate in the summer, which seemed fair enough to me. Or a better deal to protect the asset. I am surprised people still think we sold because of a transfer request & a pay rise WE sold because of a £35 million bid. we sold because of all 3., if not there was no need for the request. Do you honestly think if he did not put a transfer request in he would still be here? That only came about because of the messing around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Great news! Let's hope the owner has grasped the concept of moving forward without pausing to take steps backwards again. How many times have we hoped that though? Negative! Pessimistic! Sad! ... Realist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I honestly think that Carroll could have stayed at NUFC on his current deal. If he hadn't asked for more money, the club wouldn't have had to say no, then he wouldn't have submitted a transfer request and we would have been "selling him against his will" if he did leave. Anyway, this is all about the C-Bomb! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Great news! Let's hope the owner has grasped the concept of moving forward without pausing to take steps backwards again. How many times have we hoped that though? Negative! Pessimistic! Sad! ... Realist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 People were saying Carroll wasn't worthy of a pay increase after a good half a season in the Premier League. Well we've just given Tiote one and even now he's only played one more game than Carroll had by that time (and only one month further into a new contract too). This is great news but some of the arguments given in favour of selling Carroll don't quite stack up. No, people were saying that Caroll wasn't worth a SECOND pay increase in one season, having just signed a new contract in September. I believe they offered to renegotiate in the summer, which seemed fair enough to me. Or a better deal to protect the asset. I am surprised people still think we sold because of a transfer request & a pay rise WE sold because of a £35 million bid. we sold because of all 3., if not there was no need for the request. Do you honestly think if he did not put a transfer request in he would still be here? That only came about because of the messing around. so why put the request in ? he'd only put it in if he thought he wasn't going to get the bumper pay rise or his move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VegasToon Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I just woke up. I am now as hard as a diamond. Fantastic news. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Newcastle+United+v+Sheffield+Wednesday+PTXQFaLG4mdm.jpg "I will not sign a contract until we are safe and show ambition" http://www.kickette.com/files/2010/04/Jose-Enrique-Toso.jpg "I sign contract for life. I get paid nothing" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 People were saying Carroll wasn't worthy of a pay increase after a good half a season in the Premier League. Well we've just given Tiote one and even now he's only played one more game than Carroll had by that time (and only one month further into a new contract too). This is great news but some of the arguments given in favour of selling Carroll don't quite stack up. No, people were saying that Caroll wasn't worth a SECOND pay increase in one season, having just signed a new contract in September. I believe they offered to renegotiate in the summer, which seemed fair enough to me. Or a better deal to protect the asset. I am surprised people still think we sold because of a transfer request & a pay rise WE sold because of a £35 million bid. we sold because of all 3., if not there was no need for the request. Do you honestly think if he did not put a transfer request in he would still be here? That only came about because of the messing around. so why put the request in ? he'd only put it in if he thought he wasn't going to get the bumper pay rise or his move. After getting dicked around him/agent had enough & fell into the trap (a very lucrative one) & put the request in. You listen to Harry, the Liverpool owner & AC it seems obvious Carroll was available & club were not bothered about him leaving with that mega wonga incoming. I don't think you can post anything that will change my mind. Of course I willing to read brand new information. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 That in my opinion is the best thing we can hope to come out of this (as well as being here until 2017). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I honestly think that Carroll could have stayed at NUFC on his current deal. If he hadn't asked for more money, the club wouldn't have had to say no, then he wouldn't have submitted a transfer request and we would have been "selling him against his will" if he did leave. I for one think Carroll probably was a bit naive, and was given given some bad advise.. Carroll signing a £80 a week contract resulted in a very positive economical upturn for Carroll and the agent. As a consequence, the latter shithead had every incentive to unsettle him. That is the problem with agents generally, they ignore important sporting factors such as his age, that he's still undeveloped, that he's young and therefore needs to be in a stable environment to develop, like his home club. Had the agent given Carroll such advise, it's not sure that he would have demanded a new contract at all.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 People were saying Carroll wasn't worthy of a pay increase after a good half a season in the Premier League. Well we've just given Tiote one and even now he's only played one more game than Carroll had by that time (and only one month further into a new contract too). This is great news but some of the arguments given in favour of selling Carroll don't quite stack up. No, people were saying that Caroll wasn't worth a SECOND pay increase in one season, having just signed a new contract in September. I believe they offered to renegotiate in the summer, which seemed fair enough to me. Or a better deal to protect the asset. I am surprised people still think we sold because of a transfer request & a pay rise WE sold because of a £35 million bid. we sold because of all 3., if not there was no need for the request. Do you honestly think if he did not put a transfer request in he would still be here? That only came about because of the messing around. so why put the request in ? he'd only put it in if he thought he wasn't going to get the bumper pay rise or his move. After getting dicked around him/agent had enough & fell into the trap (a very lucrative one) & put the request in. You listen to Harry, the Liverpool owner & AC it seems obvious Carroll was available & club were not bothered about him leaving with that mega wonga incoming. I doubt there is very little you can post to change my mind. the first bids were turned down, his putting in a request gives the club an extra 3 mill or so and makes the intent clear that he wants to leave. i don't think the club would've sold for 32mill and a player who could say to the press "i made no attempt to get out". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 That is the problem with agents generally, they ignore important sporting factors such as his age, that he's still undeveloped, that he's young and therefore needs to be in a stable environment to develop, like his home club. This is Newcastle we're talking about here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesPaul Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 BEST.DAY.EVER. :') Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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