Steven Taylor (now retired)

[Mick]

Taylor is a tool for bringing this on himself, and the club by association, he must be as thick as pig shit.  Is he a racist?  That will depend on what people class as being a racist or racism.  I think it's at least bordering on racism because he's singled a black player out for his colour but I doubt that he's realised what he was doing.

 

I don't know for sure where I stand on this, should friends not be able to take the piss out of each other?  I think they should but why would anybody think colour is a reason to take the piss and has he even done that?  I wouldn't think my black mates were being racist if they tweeted a picture of a white person and said it was me but that's easy for me to say as I've never had my colour used against me as far as I'm aware.

 

It's a mess.

[LV]

Taylor is a tool for bringing this on himself, and the club by association, he must be as thick as pig s***.  Is he a racist?  That will depend on what people class as being a racist or racism.  I think it's at least bordering on racism because he's singled a black player out for his colour but I doubt that he's realised what he was doing.

 

I don't know for sure where I stand on this, should friends not be able to take the p*ss out of each other?  I think they should but why would anybody think colour is a reason to take the p*ss and has he even done that?  I wouldn't think my black mates were being racist if they tweeted a picture of a white person and said it was me but that's easy for me to say as I've never had my colour used against me as far as I'm aware.

 

It's a mess.

 

Ok, I'm confused. Is it racism? He's not said he hates them because they are black. In fact, it's quite clear he doesn't hate them because they are larking about and they've been ribbing him for his crap attempts at speaking French. So is he racist? Are they xenophobic for mocking an Englishman for his inability to speak another language. I thought racism was racial hatred? Or am I completely wrong?

[Guest chicken little]

I thought racism was racial hatred? Or am I completely wrong?

 

Pretty much, aye.

 

Much like saying all black people must be able to do the hundred in ten seconds, or all Indians are good at maths, or Jews are good with money, it's all racist shit and it doesn't have to be motivated by any sort of maliciousness.

 

On a slightly related point, take note of all the white people saying they see nothing wrong with, and aren't offended by this kind of crap.

[LV]

I thought racism was racial hatred? Or am I completely wrong?

 

Pretty much, aye.

 

Much like saying all black people must be able to do the hundred in ten seconds, or all Indians are good at maths, or Jews are good with money, it's all racist s*** and it doesn't have to be motivated by any sort of maliciousness.

 

On a slightly related point, take note of all the white people saying they see nothing wrong with, and aren't offended by this kind of crap.

 

So if it had been the other way round and Haidara had posted a picture of 4 stereotypical white guys to take the nick out of willo, Taylor, colo and cabaye would that be racism? Would you be offended?

[Fugazi]

What sort of position is he in? How's he going to respond? "It was just banter." What else can he say?

 

What a f***ing idiot to have brought this on himself and, by extension, the club.

 

He's going to present a slideshow featuring Africans, with a subliminal "not a racist" message, then he'll say "the blacks, a great bunch of lads" and offer everyone a drink.

 

 

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"And as you can see here..."

 

"I forget his name, BUT WE GOT ON VERY WELL"

 

[Mick]

 

 

Ok, I'm confused. Is it racism? He's not said he hates them because they are black. In fact, it's quite clear he doesn't hate them because they are larking about and they've been ribbing him for his crap attempts at speaking French. So is he racist? Are they xenophobic for mocking an Englishman for his inability to speak another language. I thought racism was racial hatred? Or am I completely wrong?

 

He's singled Anita out for being black but he hasn't used his colour against him.  Different people have different definitions for racism.  Like I said, it's a mess.

[Parky]

You can't really make 'jokes' in the public arena with regard to peoples colour, especially if you are a footballer and all the race based issues that have been flying around lately. The FA have no choice but to react to it. "Like to see you guys smile" is rooted in a casual racist comments that were popular decades ago and that in itself is very poorly thought through. If something about a person is joke worthy that is fair game, but it can never be about skin colour.

[Keefaz]

You can't really make 'jokes' in the public arena with regard to peoples colour, especially if you are a footballer and all the race based issues that have been flying around lately. The FA have no choice but to react to it. "Like to see you guys smile" is rooted in a casual racist comments that were popular decades ago and that in itself is very poorly thought through. If something about a person is joke worthy that is fair game, but it can never be about skin colour.

 

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[Oakie Doke]

It's not an isolated problem imo. Anyone who was at the Hull game a few years back and heard the abuse Phil Brown had to endure will know just how ugly racism at SJP can be at times.

[Guest bimpy474]

Can you say or do something racist accidentally not meaning it in a racist way.

 

Is that what Saylor did, it's whether people choose to believe he was thick enough to accept that as an excuse or reason.

[Mick]

 

 

On a slightly related point, take note of all the white people saying they see nothing wrong with, and aren't offended by this kind of crap.

 

What has happened is probably a joke between friends which wasn't intended as racism, one of those on the receiving end has said as much.  Why should white people be offended if somebody on the receiving end isn't?

 

Get a grip.

[colinmk]

People can interpret it as being racist, even if he didn't directly mean to offend anyone. Like Mick says, it's a mess but has to be dealt with because you can't get away with shit just for being an incredibly thick idiot. I think the best thing to do is bury Taylor alive and forget he ever existed.

[Mick]

Can you say or do something racist accidentally not meaning it in a racist way.

 

Is that what Saylor did, it's whether people choose to believe he was thick enough to accept that as an excuse or reason.

 

You can offend people at anytime without meaning it so I don't see why not in this instance.

[NUFC]

Surely he will just get a big fine, same as Rio Ferdinand when he called Ashley Cole a 'choc ice'

 

Ferdinand was fined £45,000 fwiw

[Mick]

You can't really make 'jokes' in the public arena with regard to peoples colour, especially if you are a footballer and all the race based issues that have been flying around lately. The FA have no choice but to react to it. "Like to see you guys smile" is rooted in a casual racist comments that were popular decades ago and that in itself is very poorly thought through. If something about a person is joke worthy that is fair game, but it can never be about skin colour.

 

That's bollocks, you can hurt a fat person as much by taking the piss out of him for being fat or a ginger kid for being ginger.  Why is one fair game while the other isn't?  I'm neither by the way so I'm not biting.

[The College Dropout]

Feel canny sorry for him being accused of being a racist tbh. He's not bright enough to have any malice in him.

 

He's not being accused of being racist. He's accused of posting a racist picture, which he did.

 

[The College Dropout]

Taylor is a tool for bringing this on himself, and the club by association, he must be as thick as pig s***.  Is he a racist?  That will depend on what people class as being a racist or racism.  I think it's at least bordering on racism because he's singled a black player out for his colour but I doubt that he's realised what he was doing.

 

I don't know for sure where I stand on this, should friends not be able to take the p*ss out of each other?  I think they should but why would anybody think colour is a reason to take the p*ss and has he even done that?  I wouldn't think my black mates were being racist if they tweeted a picture of a white person and said it was me but that's easy for me to say as I've never had my colour used against me as far as I'm aware.

 

It's a mess.

 

Ok, I'm confused. Is it racism? He's not said he hates them because they are black. In fact, it's quite clear he doesn't hate them because they are larking about and they've been ribbing him for his crap attempts at speaking French. So is he racist? Are they xenophobic for mocking an Englishman for his inability to speak another language. I thought racism was racial hatred? Or am I completely wrong?

 

Yes. But calling someone a black cunt doesn't make you a racist. It will get you sacked from your job if it's corporate and some matches banned if you're a footballer.

 

The image was racially offensive.

[Mick]

 

 

He's not being accused of being racist. He's accused of posting a racist picture, which he did.

 

 

That's debatable, or at least it should be.  Haidara didn't think it was racist and it was tweeted to him.

[alexf]

Really am amazed how stupid Taylor is every time he opens his mouth.

[Guest NobbyOhNobby]

You can't really make 'jokes' in the public arena with regard to peoples colour, especially if you are a footballer and all the race based issues that have been flying around lately. The FA have no choice but to react to it. "Like to see you guys smile" is rooted in a casual racist comments that were popular decades ago and that in itself is very poorly thought through. If something about a person is joke worthy that is fair game, but it can never be about skin colour.

 

That's bollocks, you can hurt a fat person as much by taking the p*ss out of him for being fat or a ginger kid for being ginger.  Why is one fair game while the other isn't?  I'm neither by the way so I'm not biting.

Because generations of fat people or ginger people weren't enslaved, persecuted, and had their countries invaded and overtaken by white people? Think about what you're saying. There are obvious legacy issues that we can't comprehend because we, as predominantly white folk of Anglo-Saxon descent in or region, don't have a relatively recent history of being persecuted en masse due to the colour of our skin

[Parky]

You can't really make 'jokes' in the public arena with regard to peoples colour, especially if you are a footballer and all the race based issues that have been flying around lately. The FA have no choice but to react to it. "Like to see you guys smile" is rooted in a casual racist comments that were popular decades ago and that in itself is very poorly thought through. If something about a person is joke worthy that is fair game, but it can never be about skin colour.

 

That's bollocks, you can hurt a fat person as much by taking the piss out of him for being fat or a ginger kid for being ginger.  Why is one fair game while the other isn't?  I'm neither by the way so I'm not biting.

 

Err the history of the world, subjugation of blacks, slavery, colonialism, discrimination, apatheid...Need I go on. Don't be silly Mick. It's not quite the same as being ginger or fat is it?.. What ST did is classic latent racism...Oh it's just a joke a bit of banter.

If this was America his career would be finished.

 

 

edit as Nobby said.

[Skeletor]

The club needs to have his twitter deleted regardless of the outcome. Maybe even lock him in a cupboard when he's not training/playing/getting his usual injury treatment.

[Mick]

 

 

Yes. But calling someone a black c*** doesn't make you a racist. It will get you sacked from your job if it's corporate and some matches banned if you're a footballer.

 

The image was racially offensive.

 

I've never heard anybody say that who wasn't racist.   

 

I find it amazing that you can claim the bit in bold and then take offence at the image that was tweeted but I do admit ignorance as I'm not black so have never been racially abused, that I know of.

[The College Dropout]

You can't really make 'jokes' in the public arena with regard to peoples colour, especially if you are a footballer and all the race based issues that have been flying around lately. The FA have no choice but to react to it. "Like to see you guys smile" is rooted in a casual racist comments that were popular decades ago and that in itself is very poorly thought through. If something about a person is joke worthy that is fair game, but it can never be about skin colour.

 

That's bollocks, you can hurt a fat person as much by taking the p*ss out of him for being fat or a ginger kid for being ginger.  Why is one fair game while the other isn't?  I'm neither by the way so I'm not biting.

 

One harkens back to hundreds of years of slavery, colonialism, oppression, genocide... the other doesn't.

 

You're a grown adult man. Why don't you know this?

[Skeletor]

We don't want to turn in to Liverpool fans trying to defend him against this. It was obvious what would happen the minute he tweeted that. If he gets an 8 game ban (using Suarez as a comparison) that will be 11 games missed through suspension this season (and even more through injury). Time to finally get rid of him.