WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Someone mentioned a clause in Jonas's contract? Three year extension if he reached 200 games, or something. This. Taylor and Besty mentioned it in last night's podcast too. It'd make sense. Getting a new three year contract doesn't make much sense to me at all. Fine if it was a one year extension, but three? Nah, no way, nah. Anyway, as has been said, he isn't good enough and that's why he's been told to find a new club. Nothing controversial about that at all. Giving Demba Ba a £7m release clause didn't make much sense, but we did it. I'd be surprised if there weren't more daft clauses in our squad's contracts that we're yet to discover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 The faux grief to facilitate a dig at Pardew is hilarious Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 If someone has been working for you for years, giving mainly 100% but hasn't been performing that well for a year or so you don't just cut them off without any explanation. Firstly it's just not the right thing to do and secondly it is utterly shite management. That seems obvious to me. Of course, we just don't know that's what happened. Those Jonas quotes could have arisen following hundreds of different conversations with Pardew. He's unlikely to go to Norwich and say "Pards explained that I wasn't good enough for Newcastle, they're looking to move forward. But Norwich are a bit worse so I should do OK here". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Someone mentioned a clause in Jonas's contract? Three year extension if he reached 200 games, or something. This. Taylor and Besty mentioned it in last night's podcast too. It'd make sense. Getting a new three year contract doesn't make much sense to me at all. Fine if it was a one year extension, but three? Nah, no way, nah. Anyway, as has been said, he isn't good enough and that's why he's been told to find a new club. Nothing controversial about that at all. Giving Demba Ba a £7m release clause didn't make much sense, but we did it. I'd be surprised if there weren't more daft clauses in our squad's contracts that we're yet to discover. Given the options were probably sign me with this clause or dont sign me at all its hardly the clubs fault with Ba Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Someone mentioned a clause in Jonas's contract? Three year extension if he reached 200 games, or something. This. Taylor and Besty mentioned it in last night's podcast too. It'd make sense. Getting a new three year contract doesn't make much sense to me at all. Fine if it was a one year extension, but three? Nah, no way, nah. Anyway, as has been said, he isn't good enough and that's why he's been told to find a new club. Nothing controversial about that at all. Giving Demba Ba a £7m release clause didn't make much sense, but we did it. I'd be surprised if there weren't more daft clauses in our squad's contracts that we're yet to discover. Given the options were probably sign me with this clause or dont sign me at all its hardly the clubs fault with Ba Exactly, Ba likely would not have signed at all without that clause. He was probably always looking to play himself into a big move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 If someone has been working for you for years, giving mainly 100% but hasn't been performing that well for a year or so you don't just cut them off without any explanation. Firstly it's just not the right thing to do and secondly it is utterly shite management. That seems obvious to me. Of course, we just don't know that's what happened. Those Jonas quotes could have arisen following hundreds of different conversations with Pardew. He's unlikely to go to Norwich and say "Pards explained that I wasn't good enough for Newcastle, they're looking to move forward". Why would he say anything about it? I agree though, we don't know what has gone on obviously but you would think he would just let it be rather than come out and say that. I can't see what benefit it has to Jonas saying it considering he will be back at the club in the summer and is obviously one of the more respected figures in the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I doubt he'll be back at the club in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Probably not but still don't see what benefits him saying it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 If someone has been working for you for years, giving mainly 100% but hasn't been performing that well for a year or so you don't just cut them off without any explanation. Firstly it's just not the right thing to do and secondly it is utterly s**** management. That seems obvious to me. What's Pardew meant to say though? He's told him he won't play much and to find a club. It's pretty obvious the reasons why. He's nowhere near the starting XI and hasn't even been making the bench. Is it good "man management" for Pardew to spell it out in black & white that the reason he's got to leave is because he's shit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 The faux grief to facilitate a dig at Pardew is hilarious So faux it doesn't even exist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 The rumour about his clause seems extremely plausible, like. For him to play as little as he has this season is pretty suspicious - after, laughably, making 34 Premier League starts last season. I doubt Pards all-of-a-sudden 'saw sense' with regards to his detrimental effect on the team and decided to cast him aside. 196 games? Sound, hold it there and leave 4 appearances free in case of a critical emergency where he absolutely must play. Soon as we get to January, he's out. However, if Pardew's been as blunt with him as those quotes make out, it surprises me a bit tbh. Something makes me doubt it really played out like that. Not disappointed to lose Jonas the player, but it's been nice having such a character associated with the club during one of it's worst-to-erratic times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Agree with all Yorkster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 The faux grief to facilitate a dig at Pardew is hilarious So faux it doesn't even exist. Faux Faux Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Faux off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 The faux grief to facilitate a dig at Pardew is hilarious Drenched in cybertears over here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 “The manager told me in December I was not going to play any more and told me to find myself another club. “I don’t know why it happened and I still don’t understand what I did wrong. “There were no rows with Alan Pardew or anything like that. He just said I needed to leave and that was that. “I honestly don’t know why I wasn’t playing, you will have to ask the manager that. He just made his decision and that was it. Something must have happened – but I don’t know what.” Classy. Disgusting if true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 “The manager told me in December I was not going to play any more and told me to find myself another club. “I don’t know why it happened and I still don’t understand what I did wrong. “There were no rows with Alan Pardew or anything like that. He just said I needed to leave and that was that. “I honestly don’t know why I wasn’t playing, you will have to ask the manager that. He just made his decision and that was it. Something must have happened – but I don’t know what.” Classy. Disgusting if true. Wouldn't put it past him after the way he blamed our youngsters for the 3-0 loss to Bordeaux last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 “The manager told me in December I was not going to play any more and told me to find myself another club. He wasn't getting selected and had fallen down the pecking order. Self explanatory. “I don’t know why it happened and I still don’t understand what I did wrong. It happened because he had fallen down the pecking order and his form had deteriorated. Did he want Pardew to spell that out for him? “There were no rows with Alan Pardew or anything like that. He just said I needed to leave and that was that. Pardew seemed to like Jonas a lot. He was one of the first names on the team sheet until the beginning of this season so of course there were no rows or a falling out. The second sentence is just tying in with his first line. He wasn't going to play anymore and was told to find another club. “I honestly don’t know why I wasn’t playing, you will have to ask the manager that. He just made his decision and that was it. Something must have happened – but I don’t know what.” See paragraph 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 “The manager told me in December I was not going to play any more and told me to find myself another club. He wasn't getting selected and had fallen down the pecking order. Self explanatory. “I don’t know why it happened and I still don’t understand what I did wrong. It happened because he had fallen down the pecking order and his form had deteriorated. Did he want Pardew to spell that out for him? “There were no rows with Alan Pardew or anything like that. He just said I needed to leave and that was that. Pardew seemed to like Jonas a lot. He was one of the first names on the team sheet until the beginning of this season so of course there were no rows or a falling out. The second sentence is just tying in with his first line. He wasn't going to play anymore and was told to find another club. “I honestly don’t know why I wasn’t playing, you will have to ask the manager that. He just made his decision and that was it. Something must have happened – but I don’t know what.” See paragraph 2. The player clearly feels that he hasn't had an explanation, you trying to justify is doesn't change that and it's not good enough when a player has been here for so long and done nothing but his best for the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Diddums to Jonas then. Great bloke but needs to man up if he's whinging about this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 It actually reminds me of the Shepherd/Robson situation. Robson had a rolling one-year contract, which was openly changed to a one-year contract in 2004, yet when Shepherd announced that summer it would be Sir Bobby's last season in charge, he acted all surprised by it. Jonas hasn't played barely all season, hasn't even been on the bench, is way down the pecking order, and he's acting surprised that he was told by Pardew he'd not play and should find a club? Don't get his point at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Diddums to Jonas then. Great bloke but needs to man up if he's whinging about this. I hope you expect the same treatment as you're happy for him to receive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 It actually reminds me of the Shepherd/Robson situation. Robson had a rolling one-year contract, which was openly changed to a one-year contract in 2004, yet when Shepherd announced that summer it would be Sir Bobby's last season in charge, he acted all surprised by it. Jonas hasn't played barely all season, hasn't even been on the bench, is way down the pecking order, and he's acting surprised that he was told by Pardew he'd not play and should find a club? Don't get his point at all. I don't see any connection with the two situations and two wrongs don't make a right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Diddums to Jonas then. Great bloke but needs to man up if he's whinging about this. I hope you expect the same treatment as you're happy for him to receive. If I'd been replaced in my role for 4 months by younger people better than me at my job and my own performance had deteriorated and couldn't do my job like I could do previously, I wouldn't be taken by surprise at the end if my boss then told me to look for another job, no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 It actually reminds me of the Shepherd/Robson situation. Robson had a rolling one-year contract, which was openly changed to a one-year contract in 2004, yet when Shepherd announced that summer it would be Sir Bobby's last season in charge, he acted all surprised by it. Jonas hasn't played barely all season, hasn't even been on the bench, is way down the pecking order, and he's acting surprised that he was told by Pardew he'd not play and should find a club? Don't get his point at all. I don't see any connection with the two situations and two wrongs don't make a right. How not? The first situation his contract changed so that there was a definite end date of June '05, yet when it was announced by Shepherd he seemed shocked by it. The second situation the player hasn't played for months, is nowhere near the team, yet seems surprised he's been told he won't play and to leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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