The Prophet Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 The thought of Barry and Lucas in the same midfield would be slightly heart warming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Nothing player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 I'm SURE he never used to be this prone and useless. No passing, no tackling, no movement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 At least contributed more in this 2nd half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 I know it's fun to tear into him, but Henderson didn't really outshine him.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 I know it's fun to tear into him, but Henderson didn't really outshine him.. Barry has a preposterous amount of caps behind him. He showed no more experience than an uncapped 21 (?) year old. Nothing new from GB either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Henderson was being given his first chance at international football. Barry should be fucking showing him how it's done. You would hope he fucking didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 I know it's fun to tear into him, but Henderson didn't really outshine him.. Barry has a preposterous amount of caps behind him. He showed no more experience than an uncapped 21 (?) year old. Nothing new from GB either. I agree I just thought England's central midfield was poor. I know Henderson's first game he's going to need time to bed in which I think he will, but for now he's obviously not the answer. Barry never was the answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 I know it's fun to tear into him, but Henderson didn't really outshine him.. Barry has a preposterous amount of caps behind him. He showed no more experience than an uncapped 21 (?) year old. Nothing new from GB either. I agree I just thought England's central midfield was poor. It was horrendous, and Henderson was poor, no doubt. But heaping criticism on him in particular would be an atrocious move from the media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Surely with Wilshire and Rodwell in the wings his days are numbered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Didn't think Henderson was any worse than anyone else, if anything he tried to keep calm and keep it simple. Didn't have a good game, but certainly no worse then Barry and Milner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Didn't think Henderson was any worse than anyone else, if anything he tried to keep calm and keep it simple. Didn't have a good game, but certainly no worse then Barry and Milner. Agree. He just went missing for most parts of the game, clearly not ready for this level yet. Should still be getting more caps in friendlies if the likes of Wilshere and Rodwell are out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 Henderson's got a long way to go, he seems to have something about him but is still far too raw for england. played well vs chelsea but their midfield in that match, in a ramires who hasnt adapted to the premiership yet, a past it russian winger and Mikel, was mid-table quality. against a more promising french side surrounded by the typical malcontents he was always going to struggle. anyway, said barry was medicore 3 years ago when everyone was jizzing over him under McLaren and got a bit of stick on here for it. tbf to barry he does do some of the basics well he's just totally pedestrian and average. probably says more about england's inability to find good passing midfielders who keep the side ticking over than anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 I know it's fun to tear into him, but Henderson didn't really outshine him.. Stupid comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukeboxromeo Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 If we're going to go with a proper holding midfielder, we might as well go with Muamba. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 If we're going to go with a proper holding midfielder, we might as well go with Muamba. Hell, let's bring Jermaine Jenas to the party. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 I know it's fun to tear into him, but Henderson didn't really outshine him.. Barry has a preposterous amount of caps behind him. He showed no more experience than an uncapped 21 (?) year old. Nothing new from GB either. Sven had it right all along. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 I know it's fun to tear into him, but Henderson didn't really outshine him.. Stupid comment. Aye righto. He was fantastic. You can't rush young players is my point. Henderson was tidy, but looked slightly over-awed by the whole occasion. He clearly needs a bit more time in the U21's before being included in the 30-35 man pool of English players considered for squads. He's shown for Sunderland he has potential to play at that level, it's just going to take time. But yeah, stupid comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 I know it's fun to tear into him, but Henderson didn't really outshine him.. Stupid comment. Aye righto. He was fantastic. You can't rush young players is my point. Henderson was tidy, but looked slightly over-awed by the whole occasion. He clearly needs a bit more time in the U21's before being included in the 30-35 man pool of English players considered for squads. He's shown for Sunderland he has potential to play at that level, it's just going to take time. But yeah, stupid comment. Bringing up a comparison of Henderson's debut against a player with 40 odd caps is pretty stupid. Henderson was terrible tonight but that's not the issue here when talking about Gareth Barry's performance, while Barry should be the one helping Henderson settle not hinder anything he does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonMonty Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 I know it's fun to tear into him, but Henderson didn't really outshine him.. Stupid comment. Aye righto. He was fantastic. You can't rush young players is my point. Henderson was tidy, but looked slightly over-awed by the whole occasion. He clearly needs a bit more time in the U21's before being included in the 30-35 man pool of English players considered for squads. He's shown for Sunderland he has potential to play at that level, it's just going to take time. But yeah, stupid comment. I agree, Henderson had passed me by recently as I hadn't seen what a lot of people were talking about but I thought he did well against Chelsea stiffs. Tonight he was ok a bit quiet, over-awed was a good phrase but I did feel sorry for him whwn he got the yellow card after pulling out of the tackle then seeing the French cunt jump 3 feet in the air and roll around like a stunt man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 I know it's fun to tear into him, but Henderson didn't really outshine him.. Stupid comment. Aye righto. He was fantastic. You can't rush young players is my point. Henderson was tidy, but looked slightly over-awed by the whole occasion. He clearly needs a bit more time in the U21's before being included in the 30-35 man pool of English players considered for squads. He's shown for Sunderland he has potential to play at that level, it's just going to take time. But yeah, stupid comment. Bringing up a comparison of Henderson's debut against a player with 40 odd caps is pretty stupid. Henderson was terrible tonight but that's not the issue here when talking about Gareth Barry's performance, while Barry should be the one helping Henderson settle not hinder anything he does. You're right bringing up a comparison is stupid, that's why I didn't do it. My point was relating to the fact he's often England's scapegoat when the player next to him who I'd argue was being picked as the more attacking midfield was offering little. Yes Barry is a poor player, all I was saying was Henderson wasn't really performing on an attacking or a defensive front he was very much just there. You could easily have said the same about Walcott to be honest, he once again looked poor and seemed to lack the basic understanding of how to play on the wing. The real person to blame here is Capello, once again he picks a squad that seems to have no real thought process encapsulated in the selection of Jay Bothroyd, It would have been better for Gary Hooper to get the call. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted November 17, 2010 Share Posted November 17, 2010 I know it's fun to tear into him, but Henderson didn't really outshine him.. Stupid comment. Aye righto. He was fantastic. You can't rush young players is my point. Henderson was tidy, but looked slightly over-awed by the whole occasion. He clearly needs a bit more time in the U21's before being included in the 30-35 man pool of English players considered for squads. He's shown for Sunderland he has potential to play at that level, it's just going to take time. But yeah, stupid comment. Bringing up a comparison of Henderson's debut against a player with 40 odd caps is pretty stupid. Henderson was terrible tonight but that's not the issue here when talking about Gareth Barry's performance, while Barry should be the one helping Henderson settle not hinder anything he does. You're right bringing up a comparison is stupid, that's why I didn't do it. My point was relating to the fact he's often England's scapegoat when the player next to him who I'd argue was being picked as the more attacking midfield was offering little. Yes Barry is a poor player, all I was saying was Henderson wasn't really performing on an attacking or a defensive front he was very much just there. You could easily have said the same about Walcott to be honest, he once again looked poor and seemed to lack the basic understanding of how to play on the wing. The real person to blame here is Capello, once again he picks a squad that seems to have no real thought process encapsulated in the selection of Jay Bothroyd, It would have been better for Gary Hooper to get the call. I don't disagree with any of that (and your last post) apart from the bit in bold, you did that when you said 'I know it's fun to tear into him, but Henderson didn't really outshine him' that's comparing Henderson to Barry at this level and in the last match however you want to dress it up tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chubby Jason Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Carrick is a worse player still. Who is the alternative to Barry for England? The dearth in holding midfielders for England is pretty worrying, I'd stick Scott Parker back in there personally. Shame it's only a matter of time before Cattermole starts getting mentioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Gosling will be in with a shout when he is fit again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Rodwell has it nailed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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