Guest neesy111 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 People can't defend Pardew after today. My only problem is how much the blame lies with the players and the management. 70-30 imo. I don't think anybody can accurately give a percentage split on that Neesy. I think the bigger picture question marks, around his ability, history etc remain. Yeah and I would agree with that. His excuse of the injuries and fatigue showed how naive he was to how fitness would play a part today. Clearly he thought he could put a team out there and it would win despite fitness problems etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I can't believe this prick is actually going to be in charge against Sunderland. He'll probably drop Coloccini and Enrique for not understanding what it means, and play Soderberg cos he was earlier into training than Harper and Krul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 It's how he lifts them for next Sunday where his career could take off or fail here. The sign of a decent manager will be the performance next week. I think the players will probably lift themselves like they have done a few times already this season. Next week will not prove much either way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 My point is that its daft to say: We win- "Well we won because it was because we beat a shit a team. No credit to Pardew." We lose- "Fucking cunt, get the wanker Pardew out now!" We did beat shit teams, and people still gave credit to Pardew. Have a look through the last few pages of this thread before today. Yep, Pardew got his substitutions almost spot on in the last couple of league games. Albeit against shit teams. People need to accept that when somebody fails any justified criticism has a right to be aired. Subs, I don't remember any decent subs in the previous games only decent 1 he's made was against Liverpool. All the 1's against West Ham were due to injuries anycase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Why did he send them out playing long ball tactics? Is that his preferred style of play from previous clubs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 My point is that its daft to say: We win- "Well we won because it was because we beat a shit a team. No credit to Pardew." We lose- "Fucking cunt, get the wanker Pardew out now!" We did beat shit teams, and people still gave credit to Pardew. Have a look through the last few pages of this thread before today. Yep, Pardew got his substitutions almost spot on in the last couple of league games. Albeit against shit teams. People need to accept that when somebody fails any justified criticism has a right to be aired. Subs, I don't remember any decent subs in the previous games only decent 1 he's made was against Liverpool. All the 1's against West Ham were due to injuries anycase. Routledge for loven vs Wigan stands out. Plus using Ferguson and Ranger much earlier than Hughton would ever dare in the West Ham annihilation. Was a definite improvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Don't like these comments about the young players. For a start there were hardly any out there. I would say smith and Nolan were just as culpable "There's a few in there that need to understand what this game's about. The Premier League is all well and good but a few young boys got caught out tonight by the passion and the physical side of Stevenage. They bossed patches of the game through their sheer endeavour and enthusiasm. We've got to match that and we didn't do tha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 My point is that its daft to say: We win- "Well we won because it was because we beat a shit a team. No credit to Pardew." We lose- "Fucking cunt, get the wanker Pardew out now!" But is that not just the opposite as your constant stance? We win - "Credit to pards" We lose - "It's not Pards' fault" To your credit..you're consistent. But as far as I can see...when we beat WHU everyone (apart from die-hard haters) gave credit to our manager. He played it well and was given the credit he deserved for his contribution to the victory. He's taking his share of the blame today...it's fair and you don't get fairer The only people who aren't open-minded or fair in their appraisals of Pardew are the likes of yourself who just see it as win win for everything he does. That's the way it's coming across as you continue to blow smoke up his arse after a terrible loss. You've taken the position of defender or 'Pards' and even when he makes mistakes you refuse to accept. When he helps NUFC beat the scum next week (please!!!) he will rightly be credited. But he's a manager of a football club and he needs to take both the credit where credit's due and the criticism where it's due. Today was woeful...all round. Trust me, I'm not a Pardew defender per se. I've not said anything in his credit tonight other than saying the players need to really look at their efforts. I just want to see the guy given a fair crack of the whip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Don't like these comments about the young players. For a start there were hardly any out there. I would say smith and Nolan were just as culpable "There's a few in there that need to understand what this game's about. The Premier League is all well and good but a few young boys got caught out tonight by the passion and the physical side of Stevenage. They bossed patches of the game through their sheer endeavour and enthusiasm. We've got to match that and we didn't do tha The guy is just throwing stuff out there. What do you expect him to say? "Today I realised just how shit Nolan and Smith are, without Tiote holding their hands. By the time it fully registered it was too late, and unfortunately once I put him in he got a red card, so I probably shouldn't have done so" Not going to happen! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 My point is that its daft to say: We win- "Well we won because it was because we beat a s*** a team. No credit to Pardew." We lose- "f***ing c***, get the w***** Pardew out now!" But is that not just the opposite as your constant stance? We win - "Credit to pards" We lose - "It's not Pards' fault" To your credit..you're consistent. But as far as I can see...when we beat WHU everyone (apart from die-hard haters) gave credit to our manager. He played it well and was given the credit he deserved for his contribution to the victory. He's taking his share of the blame today...it's fair and you don't get fairer The only people who aren't open-minded or fair in their appraisals of Pardew are the likes of yourself who just see it as win win for everything he does. That's the way it's coming across as you continue to blow smoke up his arse after a terrible loss. You've taken the position of defender or 'Pards' and even when he makes mistakes you refuse to accept. When he helps NUFC beat the scum next week (please!!!) he will rightly be credited. But he's a manager of a football club and he needs to take both the credit where credit's due and the criticism where it's due. Today was woeful...all round. Trust me, I'm not a Pardew defender per se. I've not said anything in his credit tonight other than saying the players need to really look at their efforts. I just want to see the guy given a fair crack of the whip. why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Don't like these comments about the young players. For a start there were hardly any out there. I would say smith and Nolan were just as culpable "There's a few in there that need to understand what this game's about. The Premier League is all well and good but a few young boys got caught out tonight by the passion and the physical side of Stevenage. They bossed patches of the game through their sheer endeavour and enthusiasm. We've got to match that and we didn't do tha That is what I was saying earlier, stupid comments that don't make any sense. Who is he blaming, Ranger and Krul? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Routledge for loven vs Wigan stands out. Plus using Ferguson and Ranger much earlier than Hughton would ever dare in the West Ham annihilation. Was a definite improvement. That's not true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Don't like these comments about the young players. For a start there were hardly any out there. I would say smith and Nolan were just as culpable "There's a few in there that need to understand what this game's about. The Premier League is all well and good but a few young boys got caught out tonight by the passion and the physical side of Stevenage. They bossed patches of the game through their sheer endeavour and enthusiasm. We've got to match that and we didn't do tha The guy is just throwing stuff out there. What do you expect him to say? "Today I realised just how s*** Nolan and Smith are, without Tiote holding their hands. By the time it fully registered it was too late, and unfortunately once I put him in he got a red card, so I probably shouldn't have done so" Not going to happen! he will brake the team, he will brake it. when Hughtons team spirit is gone we will be in a free fall Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Don't like these comments about the young players. For a start there were hardly any out there. I would say smith and Nolan were just as culpable "There's a few in there that need to understand what this game's about. The Premier League is all well and good but a few young boys got caught out tonight by the passion and the physical side of Stevenage. They bossed patches of the game through their sheer endeavour and enthusiasm. We've got to match that and we didn't do tha The guy is just throwing stuff out there. What do you expect him to say? "Today I realised just how shit Nolan and Smith are, without Tiote holding their hands. By the time it fully registered it was too late, and unfortunately once I put him in he got a red card, so I probably shouldn't have done so" Not going to happen! Well old 'rent-a-fucking quote' might want to engage the services of Hughton in respect of PR training because from what I can see he's shooting the shit without much to back it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 My point is that its daft to say: We win- "Well we won because it was because we beat a s*** a team. No credit to Pardew." We lose- "f***ing c***, get the w***** Pardew out now!" But is that not just the opposite as your constant stance? We win - "Credit to pards" We lose - "It's not Pards' fault" To your credit..you're consistent. But as far as I can see...when we beat WHU everyone (apart from die-hard haters) gave credit to our manager. He played it well and was given the credit he deserved for his contribution to the victory. He's taking his share of the blame today...it's fair and you don't get fairer The only people who aren't open-minded or fair in their appraisals of Pardew are the likes of yourself who just see it as win win for everything he does. That's the way it's coming across as you continue to blow smoke up his arse after a terrible loss. You've taken the position of defender or 'Pards' and even when he makes mistakes you refuse to accept. When he helps NUFC beat the scum next week (please!!!) he will rightly be credited. But he's a manager of a football club and he needs to take both the credit where credit's due and the criticism where it's due. Today was woeful...all round. Trust me, I'm not a Pardew defender per se. I've not said anything in his credit tonight other than saying the players need to really look at their efforts. I just want to see the guy given a fair crack of the whip. why? Why? Because what's the other option? Get on his back immediately and force him out? Where will that leave us? Like any manager in charge of Newcastle, I really want the bloke to succeed and whilst I wont be singing his name from the Gallowgate, I am prepared to give him a chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Don't like these comments about the young players. For a start there were hardly any out there. I would say smith and Nolan were just as culpable "There's a few in there that need to understand what this game's about. The Premier League is all well and good but a few young boys got caught out tonight by the passion and the physical side of Stevenage. They bossed patches of the game through their sheer endeavour and enthusiasm. We've got to match that and we didn't do tha The guy is just throwing stuff out there. What do you expect him to say? "Today I realised just how s*** Nolan and Smith are, without Tiote holding their hands. By the time it fully registered it was too late, and unfortunately once I put him in he got a red card, so I probably shouldn't have done so" Not going to happen! I know what your saying but there was only krul Simpson and routledge who were under 25 in that line up. Simpson certainly wasn't to blame. Rout and krul were poor but they didn't lack effort He didn't need to specifically say young players he could have just blamed fatigue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Trust me, I'm not a Pardew defender per se. I've not said anything in his credit tonight other than saying the players need to really look at their efforts. I just want to see the guy given a fair crack of the whip. People have been waiting for something like this to happen so they could dive in. It's just the way it is. You won't be able to change that. If Best hadn't lit up West Ham it would have been the same thing then, as people were baying for blood when he didn't start Ranger. Your talking a lot of sense, but unfortunately your kind of wasting your time. Don't let it ruin your night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Kaka - the guy has absolutely no gravitas or integrity so people who have doubts are going to air them when those doubts are reinforced. Get over it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Anyone who thinks this loss wasn't solely down to Pardew's ridiculous line up needs their head checking. We were back to the year 2010 B.C. (Before Cheick).We all knew what happens when you pair Smith and Nolan in central midfield, and it was compounded by the loss of Enrique and Jonas who gave us what little running we had. Not only has Pardew cost us the FA cup run, he's probably cost us the derby game as well by chucking on Tiote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Kaka - the guy has absolutely no gravitas or integrity so people who have doubts are going to air them when those doubts are reinforced. Get over it. I'm completely fine. It's funny to me how petty this is all getting. I don't need to get over anything. I'm not the one having a pop at the guy over every single petty thing am I? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Kaka - the guy has absolutely no gravitas or integrity so people who have doubts are going to air them when those doubts are reinforced. Get over it. I'm completely fine. It's funny to me how petty this is all getting. I don't need to get over anything. I'm not the one having a pop at the guy over every single petty thing am I? Your whining about people venting opinions on a guy after the worst result in recent history. What's petty about saying he fucked up tonight? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Trust me, I'm not a Pardew defender per se. I've not said anything in his credit tonight other than saying the players need to really look at their efforts. I just want to see the guy given a fair crack of the whip. People have been waiting for something like this to happen so they could dive in. It's just the way it is. You won't be able to change that. If Best hadn't lit up West Ham it would have been the same thing then, as people were baying for blood when he didn't start Ranger. Your talking a lot of sense, but unfortunately your kind of wasting your time. Don't let it ruin your night. it is not fair, and to be totally honest, very silly. BUT I am not going to give Pardew any time no matter and I stand for it. He should´t be here at all and no matter what is the story why he is, he is not worthy it. I will take every opportunity to blame him, and to be true, he is to be blamed cause he is not any good manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Anyone who thinks this loss wasn't solely down to Pardew's ridiculous line up needs their head checking. We were back to the year 2010 B.C. (Before Cheick).We all knew what happens when you pair Smith and Nolan in central midfield, and it was compounded by the loss of Enrique and Jonas who gave us what little running we had. Not only has Pardew cost us the FA cup run, he's probably cost us the derby game as well by chucking on Tiote. We might know but clearly Pardew didn't which is understandable. It's not like he's been picking them consistently for the first team. He wanted to give some players a rest, and understandably so, but unfortunately for him he thought he could rely on Nolan and Smith agains a league 2 side. Again, you could see why he might expect them to cope. However, they are both shockingly poor players, who have proved they aren't even up to League 2 standard in the middle of the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 "There's a few in there that need to understand what this game's about. The Premier League is all well and good but a few young boys got caught out tonight by the passion and the physical side of Stevenage. They bossed patches of the game through their sheer endeavour and enthusiasm. We've got to match that and we didn't do that." What a load of rubbish, there were hardly any "young boys" playing for a start. You're the one that couldn't motivate the lads to be as passionate as the Stevenage players. The likes of Smith and his dreadful tactics from the off lost us this game. Not the "young boys." I'm already starting to get fed up with his comments to the press. I'm fully aware Hughton was far from the most dynamic when talking to the press, but I much preferred his style of PR to Pardew's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 You don't have to hate Pardew to criticise his team selection, which was fucking abysmal. He's our manager so I want him to do well, but the side he put out today displayed Souness levels of cluelessness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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