TRon Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Everyone I've asked who isn't a Newcastle fan thinks that Pardew is a pretty good manager. And that includes a West Ham fan. I'm just going on his decisions since he's been here. Hindsight seems to be his outstanding quality so far. Haven't we done well and climbed the table since he arrived? Do you think we have? His line up today was resembling the Cup fiasco against Stevenage. Stunk of desperation and putting all his eggs in one basket with no plan B if things went wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I pretty much agree, but most of that is down to the absolute shite squad he has at his disposal. How much he's to blame for our lack of signings I have no idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 We will stay up this season, but next season is the real test for Pardew. For the first time in years we have serious money to spend and the squad desperately needs it. He will be tested on both his ability to spend the money and how he performs next season with "his" team. I cant say im confident on him doing well on either of those fronts. What worries me is just how safe he is here at NUFC. If he struggles next season will Ashley sack his mate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Do you think we have? His line up today was resembling the Cup fiasco against Stevenage. Stunk of desperation and putting all his eggs in one basket with no plan B if things went wrong. Have a look at a Southampton forum, I did and a large number of posters made the same comments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Do you think we have? His line up today was resembling the Cup fiasco against Stevenage. Stunk of desperation and putting all his eggs in one basket with no plan B if things went wrong. Have a look at a Southampton forum, I did and a large number of posters made the same comments. Serious question, what could Pardew have done tonight? His bench option was Ranger who was forced on right at the start. Lovenkrands is useless almost all the time... that's it. I know we played really badly and I'm not sure why, but I've no idea what the plan B should have been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Do you think we have? His line up today was resembling the Cup fiasco against Stevenage. Stunk of desperation and putting all his eggs in one basket with no plan B if things went wrong. Have a look at a Southampton forum, I did and a large number of posters made the same comments. Serious question, what could Pardew have done tonight? His bench option was Ranger who was forced on right at the start. Lovenkrands is useless almost all the time... that's it. I know we played really badly and I'm not sure why, but I've no idea what the plan B should have been. perch right wing,williamson up front and that kid on the bench no-ones ever heard bags a hat trick from defensive slightly to the left covering at right back and playing rush keeper . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Irrespective of the Carroll transfer shouldn't the club and more to the point Pardew been looking at some loan options such as Sturridge or Vela. The Ameobi injury just rubs salt into the wound and makes Pardew look like even more of a mug. Playing with fire imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Serious question, what could Pardew have done tonight? His bench option was Ranger who was forced on right at the start. Lovenkrands is useless almost all the time... that's it. I know we played really badly and I'm not sure why, but I've no idea what the plan B should have been. I would have been tempted to put Ferguson on the left and move Jonas to free Barton to move into the middle to replace either Nolan or Gutrie. Our midfield was absolutely gash and he did nothing to change that. He changed two forwards, one because he had to the other because he wanted to. The main problem tonight was midfield failing to supply anything that the forwards could work with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Irrespective of the Carroll transfer shouldn't the club and more to the point Pardew been looking at some loan options such as Sturridge or Vela. The Ameobi injury just rubs salt into the wound and makes Pardew look like even more of a mug. Playing with fire imo. And what's he supposed to do exactly? Nick the money from Ashley's wallet? He faces the same problems that Hughton did in the transfer market, except Pardew is blamed while Hughton's 'hands were tied'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Irrespective of the Carroll transfer shouldn't the club and more to the point Pardew been looking at some loan options such as Sturridge or Vela. The Ameobi injury just rubs salt into the wound and makes Pardew look like even more of a mug. Playing with fire imo. Yeah definitely, I still have no idea how we thought we could get away with bringing nobody in. We should have been planning that whether or not Carroll was being sold, that's the thing that makes it hard to understand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 And what's he supposed to do exactly? Nick the money from Ashley's wallet? He faces the same problems that Hughton did in the transfer market, except Pardew is blamed while Hughton's 'hands were tied'. He could have spent the Ben Arfa transfer fee on somebody else and then paid for Ben Arfa in the summer if he was hard up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 His experience shone through tonight. Says it all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Jonny I happen to think Pardew is genuine and I think he's doing a decent job working under those two cronies but at some point the responsibility falls on him to make sure we atleast have adequate cover especially as he initially staked his claim on Carroll not being sold. To be fair I think Ashley would piss on his own Mother if he had her managing the team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 He'll have to seriously consider going for 4-5-1 now Shola is out IMO. Playing Nolan and Guthrie in CM is like playing with 10 men, playing with Best and Lovenkrands up front is like playing with 8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 And the responsibility falls on the owner to provide him with the funds for that. If they don't, there's nothing he can do. He's being strung along just like us imo. He's just using kiss arse tactics as a way of trying to win Ashley round. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Do you think we have? His line up today was resembling the Cup fiasco against Stevenage. Stunk of desperation and putting all his eggs in one basket with no plan B if things went wrong. Have a look at a Southampton forum, I did and a large number of posters made the same comments. Serious question, what could Pardew have done tonight? His bench option was Ranger who was forced on right at the start. Lovenkrands is useless almost all the time... that's it. I know we played really badly and I'm not sure why, but I've no idea what the plan B should have been. Plan A might have included two strikers with some understanding with regard to the opposition weaknesses. Hangeland and Hughes were hardly the most mobile defensive CB partnership. Did we really stretch them by playing three lumbering big forwards for the majority of this game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Fair point TRon, I guess the answer is that most teams just play their 'best' two forwards every game. The real question is why we didn't stop lumping the ball aimlessly forward... it's impossible to tell whether Pardew said that or not, but the players certainly didn't do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 "And the responsibility falls on the owner to provide him with the funds for that. If they don't, there's nothing he can do. He's being strung along just like us imo. He's just using kiss arse tactics as a way of trying to win Ashley round." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Irrespective of the Carroll transfer shouldn't the club and more to the point Pardew been looking at some loan options such as Sturridge or Vela. The Ameobi injury just rubs salt into the wound and makes Pardew look like even more of a mug. Playing with fire imo. And what's he supposed to do exactly? Nick the money from Ashley's wallet? He faces the same problems that Hughton did in the transfer market, except Pardew is blamed while Hughton's 'hands were tied'. well he's either part of the problem i.e. he's always known for a fact ashley will only give him pennies to spend and sell whoever he (ashley) wants. or he expected ashley to give him a bit of leeway with spending and trust his judgement. so he's either a lying cunt or a stupid cunt. fuck it, he's both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 And the responsibility falls on the owner to provide him with the funds for that. If they don't, there's nothing he can do. He's being strung along just like us imo. He's just using kiss arse tactics as a way of trying to win Ashley round. wasnt he paying attention when keegan tried the same trick? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 He obviously just wants the job more than he wants to stand up to the owner. He knew what he was getting into, I've got no problem with how he's behaved so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Exactly. Who are we kidding here? He's a Football League manager at best and Newcastle United came knocking. I'd have taken the job even if Hitler was in charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 If he was going to battle Ashley over every transfer or decision, he would never have been appointed anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 We are in for some hard times ahead which is not really Pardew's fault as the squad is lacking quality and numbers up front. It's a good test of the manager's ability to come up with an effective way of playing with what we've got left. No one expects miracles but we should be able to get the 2-3 wins we need to stay up. I hope yesterday was a one off though because I expected us to show a lot more desire than that. In the second half we just wilted which isn't a good sign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wil Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Pardew's come in for quite a lot of stick from the off for apparently lying about when he was first approached for the job, but who in football has ever admitted to being tapped up? It's part of the fabric of the game, but the code is you never admit to it publicly. In my view he's no more guilty than anyone else on that score. I think no manager will ever have it easy working alongside this regime on the transfer front and then have to front up to the fans for the decisions, or lack of them. Keegan revealed that his recommendations were constantly being undermined. We can't know to what degree that may or may not have happened again this time. One thing in common with all the windows since Ashley took over is that there never seems to have been any recognisable plan. It could be that the managers have had one, but they've been let down by those doing (or on purpose not doing) the deals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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