Mick Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 My mate was talking to Jak Alnwick the other day and apparently Marveaux is a class above everybody else in training. He looks to be fast, direct and has good ball control. I can't wait to see him and Ben Arfa playing together because our movement could be class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I'm counting the days until Pardew is sacked in all honesty. Looks like first impressions are sometimes the best ones, and his starting line ups this season have just made me remember this was the clueless t*** who dropped Mascherano and Tevez from his sides at West Ham under media and fan pressure. I really don't think he has a clue about setting up a team to play football and it's starting to show with every change to the squad which isn't geared towards the long ball game. The points we have got this season have been despite this bell end and not due to his tactical know how. good post, totally agree. Pardew showed that he can do ok when he took over from chris, the team played some decent stuff, only for us to realise it was more to do with the team he inherited rather his own input. I saw some harrowing comments on the southampton boards a while ago, with fans saying he was just a long ball merchant, I thought they were just bitter fans , but it really rings true now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 OTT to say Ba and Marveaux looked great. Both struggled to make an impact once they'd come on. Which game were you watching? Even without any tactics they managed to help us move the ball around better from front to back just by dint of being better quality footballers. I've seen enough of Pardew this season. He doesn't have a clue how to use these players at his disposal and if he can't pick a side to do the basics right then move him aside and let Carver pick the team. Clearly watching it on Teletext with me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 good post, totally agree. Pardew showed that he can do ok when he took over from chris, the team played some decent stuff, only for us to realise it was more to do with the team he inherited rather his own input. I saw some harrowing comments on the southampton boards a while ago, with fans saying he was just a long ball merchant, I thought they were just bitter fans , but it really rings true now. Southampton haven't looked back since they sacked him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 OTT to say Ba and Marveaux looked great. Both struggled to make an impact once they'd come on. Which game were you watching? Even without any tactics they managed to help us move the ball around better from front to back just by dint of being better quality footballers. I've seen enough of Pardew this season. He doesn't have a clue how to use these players at his disposal and if he can't pick a side to do the basics right then move him aside and let Carver pick the team. Clearly watching it on Teletext with me. If he wasn't playing long ball football today what was he doing? If he was planning on doing that, why not play Gosling instead of Cabaye, then it might have even made more sense? At least Gosling would have been involved as he's not a genuine midfielder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 pardew speaks... "We didn't play well tonight," he told nufcTV. "We lost the central midfield area, which is unusual for us, but we just had two in there and they had three. jesus christ??? why didnt you do anything about it then you stupid f***ing moron! ------------------ "Defensively though we were good. Our full-backs and central pair were brilliant tonight. They had to do a lot of work tonight - too much work - but they still did it very well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 At least he sees it himself. He better play the obvious players against Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I don't buy into the long ball stuff just yet, the majority of the newly signed players are more speed merchant orientated which lends them more to ball on the floor stuff, if we were going to play long ball I would have expected different players to be signed, playing away today reeked of Derby a few seasons ago, maybe go for a point against top 6 sides, but not everyone else. That said, I don't think any game plan would have been properly executed today, was very poor, Pardew's tactics were an added hindrance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 good post, totally agree. Pardew showed that he can do ok when he took over from chris, the team played some decent stuff, only for us to realise it was more to do with the team he inherited rather his own input. I saw some harrowing comments on the southampton boards a while ago, with fans saying he was just a long ball merchant, I thought they were just bitter fans , but it really rings true now. Southampton haven't looked back since they sacked him. We're not exactly doing bad with him ourselves. Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Fulham, Sunderland, QPR, Birmingham, Blackpool, WBA....one defeat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 pardew speaks... "We didn't play well tonight," he told nufcTV. "We lost the central midfield area, which is unusual for us, but we just had two in there and they had three. jesus christ??? why didnt you do anything about it then you stupid f***ing moron! ------------------ "Defensively though we were good. Our full-backs and central pair were brilliant tonight. They had to do a lot of work tonight - too much work - but they still did it very well out fullbacks were good? raylor got torn a new one every 2 minutes! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 good post, totally agree. Pardew showed that he can do ok when he took over from chris, the team played some decent stuff, only for us to realise it was more to do with the team he inherited rather his own input. I saw some harrowing comments on the southampton boards a while ago, with fans saying he was just a long ball merchant, I thought they were just bitter fans , but it really rings true now. Southampton haven't looked back since they sacked him. We're not exactly doing bad with him ourselves. Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Fulham, Sunderland, QPR, Birmingham, Blackpool, WBA....one defeat. im not even talking about points we got, what about how we played? you do know we only got a point because QPR can't finnish for toffees, any other striker that played tonight would have smashed us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I don't buy into the long ball stuff just yet, the majority of the newly signed players are more speed merchant orientated which lends them more to ball on the floor stuff, if we were going to play long ball I would have expected different players to be signed, playing away today reeked of Derby a few seasons ago, maybe go for a point against top 6 sides, but not everyone else. That said, I don't think any game plan would have been properly executed today, was very poor, Pardew's tactics were an added hindrance. I was at that Derby game if you mean the Monday night when they beat us, I think we possibly played worse tonight even if we did come away with a point tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I know - he have to spare them and be positive in the media, but fucking hell. That's just blatant lying. I really hope he doesn't see it like that for himself. If he does, he needs the sack. It's that bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I'm counting the days until Pardew is sacked in all honesty. Looks like first impressions are sometimes the best ones, and his starting line ups this season have just made me remember this was the clueless t*** who dropped Mascherano and Tevez from his sides at West Ham under media and fan pressure. I really don't think he has a clue about setting up a team to play football and it's starting to show with every change to the squad which isn't geared towards the long ball game. The points we have got this season have been despite this bell end and not due to his tactical know how. good post, totally agree. Pardew showed that he can do ok when he took over from chris, the team played some decent stuff, only for us to realise it was more to do with the team he inherited rather his own input. I saw some harrowing comments on the southampton boards a while ago, with fans saying he was just a long ball merchant, I thought they were just bitter fans , but it really rings true now. Yes 4 games into the season with several new players linking up attack has proven this. Chill out man, nonsense posts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I was shocked when there were no subs in halftime. How hard can it be to change something that isn't working? Villas-Boas substituted Kalou for Malouda after 30 minutes when he saw his team is playing s*** yet we watch Shola ~65 minutes and Raylor all match when we for once had a great bench. Why not give Marveaux and Sammy more time, just pointless to bring them in so late. It really shouldn't be so hard. And I'm not comparing AVB and Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 We're not exactly doing bad with him ourselves. Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Fulham, Sunderland, QPR, Birmingham, Blackpool, WBA....one defeat. He's got a worse win ratio than Souness, Roeder and Allardyce who were seen as failures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 We're not exactly doing bad with him ourselves. Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Fulham, Sunderland, QPR, Birmingham, Blackpool, WBA....one defeat. He's got a worse win ratio than Souness, Roeder and Allardyce who were seen as failures. Pardew hasn't got/had Shearer, Bellamy, or even an Owen, Martins or Kluivert. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 for all those that would like to excuse pardew, lets look at this logically. a simple evaluation our team got stretched , the midfield four got completely over ran by QPR's midfield of five. Now usually you would want atleast one of your forwards to come deep and help out, but pardew decides to keep two big strikers upfront, they are not exactly the type that likes to come deep to help out the midfield. Best and Shola are spearheading type of strikers they both play far foward and doesnt like to come deep and mix in with midfield play. Simple sollution was to stick another man in midfield sub one striker. Why didnt pardew make the change??? becuase he was too vain and didnt want to look weak like he got outsmarted by Warnock's tactics??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Either these players (taking specifically Ba and Marveaux) aren't fit yet or Pardew simply doesn't rate them more highly than the players who are still starting games, like Ameobi, Lovenkrands and to a certain degree Obertan. Pretty fucking concerning either way tbh. Likewise Gosling not even making the squad. Did Pardew really want these players or were they just signed because they were cheap? Think dave's right here. Pretty obvious the players we've brought in are not Pardew's signings. That he puts consistent faith in Shola, who's frankly been worse than shite in every single game he's played so far, speaks volumes IMO. Absolutely ridiculous. No reason whatsoever why we couldn't have set 4-5-1 tonight. Will be interesting to see what he does with HBA when he's back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I'm not saying I believe they're not his signings btw, just asking the question. Things don't add up for me. It might just be that they're unfit, but if that's the case then serious fucking questions need asking of the players and the club staff as to why. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I would of been quite happy if he'd brought Guthrie on for Shola, an extra body in midfield to try and get a foothold on the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Sholas inclusion was the only suprise for me really. You'd expect him to have given Ba a start after the assist & with him apparently eating normally now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Look on the bright side as well, we're 4th and unbeaten, with at least 3 players on the bench plus Ben Arfa who will improve that starting eleven over the next few weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Worrying that he didn't replace Raylor with Santon at half time. I was sure they'd score a couple down that side after a couple of his 'efforts'. Thankfully he realised Shola was throwing up all over the pitch with his sick play but should have realised this in Dec '10. He must play Ba/Best up front together next game, he must play Santon and he must give Marveaux at least thirty minutes if not a start. What does worry me a little about Pardew is some of the claims in the press about the players he wanted to bring into the club. A lot of the names were awful and it makes me wonder whether he sees things in players which quite obviously aren't there or aren't there on matchdays. I think he's a solid tactician, a good motivator and communicator but his understanding of player's abilities seems to be way off. Best was so much better than Shola and Ba was better even in only a cameo appearance. you'd have to be an Ameobi or fucked in the head to keep giving this guy chances again and again only for him to mess it up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Either these players (taking specifically Ba and Marveaux) aren't fit yet or Pardew simply doesn't rate them more highly than the players who are still starting games, like Ameobi, Lovenkrands and to a certain degree Obertan. Pretty fucking concerning either way tbh. Likewise Gosling not even making the squad. Did Pardew really want these players or were they just signed because they were cheap? Think dave's right here. Pretty obvious the players we've brought in are not Pardew's signings. That he puts consistent faith in Shola, who's frankly been worse than shite in every single game he's played so far, speaks volumes IMO. Absolutely ridiculous. No reason whatsoever why we couldn't have set 4-5-1 tonight. Will be interesting to see what he does with HBA when he's back. From what I've seen the players we have signed look they have some quality about them. I just find it astounding that we are signing good technical footballers of international class, yet we end up playing Shola, Best, Taylor and Simpson then expect us to play passing football when the side is clearly set up to defend for our lives, even against mediocre teams like QPR. Their man of the match was SWP for fucks sake. And he didn't even score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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