Alan Pardew

[Newcastle Fan]

Whats weird is we seem to have some truley brilliant players (Ba, Cabaye, Krul, Tiote, Colo) but some of the others are woefull beyond belief, i think if we get that Cissokho guy and play him at LB and Santon at RB, get one decent winger we'll have a great squad, i'm disappointed with pardew but i still like the guy, really hope he sorts out the team and the Ben Arfa situation

[HawK]

Tbf Sewelly you've said pretty much exactly what I've been saying over the last couple of pages. Management 101, play to your strengths and get your best players playing well.

 

Curious, I wonder how incentivized the players' contracts are for wins etc, going on Nolan's comments about his summer contract and MA's track record with Sports Direct, in that we usually seem to get the results we know we can win now, but look out of our depth vs stronger teams with a distinct lack-of-caring attitude as if there's simply no point in trying.

 

Regardless of the cause, that mentality will only get us so far, and that is pretty much seventh Consider as well that quite a few of our players aren't even playing very well, if at all, strongly suggests Manager rather than player fault for certain results.

 

I suppose I have to wrap it up for the anti-bandwagoneer brigade though, in that yes I am happy with the position, but I am disappointed we are not using all the tools at our disposal as best they can be.

[ponsaelius]

Yeah I'm not really arguing against you Hawk or anybody in particular. Just aimlessly articulating my ramblings onto this place as usual.

[Guest neesy111]

We were playing more entertaining football under Hughton. Neither of them are particularly special managers though.

 

Doesn't help that both have had to work with a majority of shit players.

 

Utter crap.  The football we played under Hughton was a lot more direct than under Pardew because he had Carroll.  The difference is that whenever we play direct now we don't have anyone near as good to aim it to.

[HawK]

Yeah I'm not really arguing against you Hawk or anybody in particular. Just aimlessly articulating my ramblings onto this place as usual.

 

2am post-match ramblings are usually the best nn fella heh

[Mr. Snrub]

We were playing more entertaining football under Hughton. Neither of them are particularly special managers though.

 

Doesn't help that both have had to work with a majority of shit players.

 

Utter crap.  The football we played under Hughton was a lot more direct than under Pardew because he had Carroll.  The difference is that whenever we play direct now we don't have anyone near as good to aim it to.

 

Ba's hold up play is on a different level to Caroll's.

[Guest neesy111]

One point from six at home including throwing away a three goal lead is better than one away defeat? You're embarrassing yourself.

 

Neither 'performance' - your terminology, not mine - was as disgraceful as the rubbish against WBA that preceded Hughton's departure.

 

Nice try, though.

 

I'm with Ronnie on this one.

 

That West Brom performance away from home typified of a team that was going down.  Still the worst performance I've seen from a NUFC team live.

[Guest neesy111]

We were playing more entertaining football under Hughton. Neither of them are particularly special managers though.

 

Doesn't help that both have had to work with a majority of shit players.

 

Utter crap.  The football we played under Hughton was a lot more direct than under Pardew because he had Carroll.  The difference is that whenever we play direct now we don't have anyone near as good to aim it to.

 

Ba's hold up play is on a different level to Caroll's.

 

On the deck it is, not in the air though. 

[Ronaldo]

Ba isn't a target man. Carroll most certainly is.

[ponsaelius]

Another thing about the squad strength argument - at no point was our squad last season as stretched defensively as it has been recently, which could be argued to have been the major reason for our dip in form.

 

Say what you like about Sol Campbell, he's a better option than James Perch. Seem to remember when Colo and Williamson got their time off after the Bolton game we had Campbell and Taylor to step straight in.

[Guest neesy111]

We have 2 wingers who are totally out of form, this is putting major strain on how we supply our strikers and putting too much pressure on the like's of Cabaye to deliver.  This has to be our priority to sort out in the short-term.  I'd put shane ferguson into the team in place of Jonas and Ben Arfa for Obertan just to offer something different to the shite we've had on the wings the last 2 months.

 

Will it Happen?  Will it Fuck.

[Guest neesy111]

Another thing about the squad strength argument - at no point was our squad last season as stretched defensively as it has been recently, which could be argued to have been the major reason for our dip in form.

 

Say what you like about Sol Campbell, he's a better option than James Perch. Seem to remember when Colo and Williamson got their time off after the Bolton game we had Campbell and Taylor to step straight in.

 

The same Sol Campbell who was to blame for quite a number of goals last season I seem to recall.

[Frazzle]

All things considered I think Pardew's had the better squad and is helped by the fact that we aren't newly promoted but he's also done much better with the squad so far and is on course to better Hughton's PL achievements.

[Foluwashola]

We were playing more entertaining football under Hughton. Neither of them are particularly special managers though.

 

Doesn't help that both have had to work with a majority of shit players.

 

Utter crap.  The football we played under Hughton was a lot more direct than under Pardew because he had Carroll.  The difference is that whenever we play direct now we don't have anyone near as good to aim it to.

 

So which bit was utter crap?  Is the unsuccessful longball we're playing at the minute more entertaining than Hughton's football?

 

Pardew should, and hopefully will, have us playing more attractive and effective football in the future but at the moment the difference is minimal.

 

 

[Guest neesy111]

We were playing more entertaining football under Hughton. Neither of them are particularly special managers though.

 

Doesn't help that both have had to work with a majority of shit players.

 

Utter crap.  The football we played under Hughton was a lot more direct than under Pardew because he had Carroll.  The difference is that whenever we play direct now we don't have anyone near as good to aim it to.

 

So which bit was utter crap?  Is the unsuccessful longball we're playing at the minute more entertaining than Hughton's football?

 

Pardew should, and hopefully will, have us playing more attractive and effective football in the future but at the moment the difference is minimal.

 

 

 

That entertaining football under Hughton only happened in a select couple of games Aston Villa and Mackems game.  You make it sound like he played the entertainers during his spell here.

 

Seemingly you forget these results:

 

2-0 lost (h) Blackpool

2-1 lost (h) Stoke

1-0 lost (h) Blackburn

0-0 draw (h) Fulham

5-1 lost (a) Bolton

3-1 lost (a) West Brom

 

All games which we were absolute dogshit in.

[JH]

Here's a mad thought. Let's discuss Pardew and Hughton without comparing the two. You know, for f***ing once.

 

Both mediocre, flawed managers. Neither were/are going to get us higher than a top ten finish. End of thread/forum.

 

Goodnight

[Foluwashola]

Honestly think we were generally more entertaining under Hughton. Pards has us in a better position so not particularly complaining.

 

As JH says, and as I tried to say before, neither are top managers and we're destined to be shite forever.

[Guest neesy111]

Honestly think we were generally more entertaining under Hughton. Pards has us in a better position so not particularly complaining.

 

As JH says, and as I tried to say before, neither are top managers and we're destined to be shite forever.

 

I'll agree on that.

 

We at the moment have a team full of players horribly out of form and I think a CM partnership that is destined to not work.

[Zero]

Pardew's biggest achievement is building up a tight defense and a strong core, which was based on the leftover of Hughton.

 

In terms of attacking play, to be honest, neither are at much fault for this. To play attacking and attractive football you have to have defenders and midfielders who are able to make short passes. Or else they can just hoof it.  There's a point mentioned in the match thread which is very valid - Colo seems to pass back the ball to Krul a lot more than before.  Well this is simple, Simpson and Willi couldn't make short passes with the midfielders well, Raylor is just average, so the opponents only need to block Colo's passing options, and we will end up hoofing the ball forward by Krul, Willi or Simpson. I wonder how we can play like Arsenal with players like these.

 

Thus I am not blaming Pardew much for the long ball tactics.  I would say it is extremely worrying though becoz it seems like our weaknesses have been found out by other teams, especially after the loss of Saylor. Thus I do prefer to sign defenders rather than strikers in this window, especially a right back. 

[Guest Dontooner]

Pardew's biggest achievement is building up a tight defense and a strong core, which was based on the leftover of Hughton.

 

In terms of attacking play, to be honest, neither are at much fault for this. To play attacking and attractive football you have to have defenders and midfielders who are able to make short passes. Or else they can just hoof it.  There's a point mentioned in the match thread which is very valid - Colo seems to pass back the ball to Krul a lot more than before.  Well this is simple, Simpson and Willi couldn't make short passes with the midfielders well, Raylor is just average, so the opponents only need to block Colo's passing options, and we will end up hoofing the ball forward by Krul, Willi or Simpson. I wonder how we can play like Arsenal with players like these.

 

Thus I am not blaming Pardew much for the long ball tactics.  I would say it is extremely worrying though becoz it seems like our weaknesses have been found out by other teams, especially after the loss of Saylor. Thus I do prefer to sign defenders rather than strikers in this window, especially a right back. 

 

Yeah dont blame your Manager when things aint working, its always your workers fault. They are not punctual , not productive , not following instructions , not up to standard, making up excuses etc. Just keep replacing them till every single thing falls in place...

 

Quit being naive, there is a difference in sheer quality and mediocrity.

 

I am not for one expecting to be in the top 4 nonsense but we are obviously not progressing  into the type of football Newcastle Fans have been wanting. Just entertaining Stuff, just the stuff Pardew said we were going to be transiting into.

 

Now look at how the other teams below us are playing,  could you honestly say , we are introducing a better brand of football to the League Or They with lesser players are just making their midfield work and synchronize.....

 

The debate is Martin Jol,Roy Hodgson and Harry rednapp could transform or convert crap team into playing sides. How they perform is a another debate but how they play is all eyes... Pardew will never get there. Never happened under Souness, and all the shit Managers we had since then.

One last thing Bobby got us playing some good counter attacking football ( we did hoof it up quite often under his regime ) and we could easily control 15 mins of the like a big team could. We had much worst defenders then , But we could overachieve , the simple reason that we had a quality Manager!

 

"When your brain is at its capacity but the body isnt , that's your full potential."

 

 

 

[Zero]

So u are comparing a top 4 team with a pair of superb wingers, the dynamite Shearer Bellamy combo and the Speed Dyer partnership,  with our team that is full of incompetent players like obertan and Simpson?

 

Seriously, if u rlly think we got a great squad of players, then sorry this is not the case. And for those manager u mentioned, where are their teams finished? or should we.play like Blackpool last season?

 

Naive?

 

[Guest sicko2ndbest]

Alan Pardews biggest challenge now is to take u's from a mid table team to one that can comfortably cement u's as the 7th best team in England

 

He needs to see that our squad is a mixed bunch and know where he has to strengthen

 

First team

 

Tiote

Ba

Krul

Colo

Staylor

Cabaye

 

First team/squad rotation

 

Gutierrez

Rtaylor

Guthrie

Ameobi

Willo

Santon

Marveux

Gosling

 

Not good enough

 

Simpson

Loven

Ranger

Smith

 

 

that bottom 4 need to go along with a couple of the middle group without losing any of the top group

 

[Guest Dontooner]

So u are comparing a top 4 team with a pair of superb wingers, the dynamite Shearer Bellamy combo and the Speed Dyer partnership,  with our team that is full of incompetent players like obertan and Simpson?

 

Seriously, if u rlly think we got a great squad of players, then sorry this is not the case. And for those manager u mentioned, where are their teams finished? or should we.play like Blackpool last season?

 

Naive?

 

 

We had better defenders  then? how did the Managers who inherited those top 4 players do?

 

You mean to tell me Keegan and Bobby were in the top 4 only because we had better players? Bobby managed Barcelona because they liked him for no freaking reason?

Bobby brought Shearer's life back by surrounding him with quicker players to negate him loosing pace? You dont think some sort of ideology or strategy would need to be created for things to fall in placE?

 

Please get President Bush run office again cause it doesnt matter at all.....

[Parky]

Might be interesting to reset the poll.

[TRon]

Building a good football team isn't rocket science. You just look at the successful teams and follow their blueprint. Man U, City, Chelsea etc. all play a passing brand of football. Spurs dismantling of the dogged yet shite Norwich was a classic example of class rising above graft. While we are short in numbers and lack a left back you still get the feeling Pardew doesn't really know how to mould a team beyond his West Ham model built on 4-4-2, target man high ball crap. Looking beyond the results we don't seem to be forming any particular style and it's the players who win or lose it. The manager might as well be Neil Warnock.