Elliottman Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Sacked? :lol: This place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I think it's totally fair to question some of Pardew's tactics and formation especially in recent games. However he's gone a long way to sorting out the backline something nobody has done in years. We haven't seen this "free flowing" football he kept banging on about before the season started but if he'd got that going and sorted the back line we'd probably still be in the top four. With much more movement up front with Ba and Cisse I think we'll see things open up a bit again. I'm glad he's built from the back and the team is still evolving. Considering where we thought we might be and where we are I think people are getting ahead of themselves. I also agree with the "who else could we get" But yes yesterday was a complete shower of shit............. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShearMagic Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Sacked? :lol: This place. Mourinho wants to leave Real Madrid. Obviously we're a realistic option, because he's the only guy I'd be sacking Pardew for.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 We cant play 4-3-3 with cisse and ba. Neither are wingers. it's not. a bloody. 4-3-3 man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 The back line relies completely on a fit Colocinni. We need another CB/Fullback who is confidnet with the ball in possession. I don't think the backline is near sorted at all. Not that you had implied it fully was but with the addition of the 2 dembas I think we're looking a lot stronger in midfield and attacking options (bizzare persistence to start Shola aside). Part of the tendency long ball problem comes from players such as Williamson and Simpson who are incapable of building from the back. Raylor probably wants to see the ball but just doesn't have the ability at this level. The injury to Saylor was gutting in reard to this. We seem to be constantly in a state of imbalance; which imo is lack of ambition in terms of maintaining squad depth on behalf of the owners ultimately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Shit league yes, but with our budget and squad depth we have no real right to expect to be slugging it out with Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool almost two-thirds of the way through the season, which we are doing. ok, but at what point do you concede that it's the players ability that counts on the pitch and not how much the various teams paid for them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Who would we get in his place?? Who would work under the pressure of Mike and Derek with no control over players sales??? a manager from the continent who's used to working with a DOF? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I think it's totally fair to question some of Pardew's tactics and formation especially in recent games. However he's gone a long way to sorting out the backline something nobody has done in years. We haven't seen this "free flowing" football he kept banging on about before the season started but if he'd got that going and sorted the back line we'd probably still be in the top four. With much more movement up front with Ba and Cisse I think we'll see things open up a bit again. I'm glad he's built from the back and the team is still evolving. Considering where we thought we might be and where we are I think people are getting ahead of themselves. I also agree with the "who else could we get" But yes yesterday was a complete shower of shit............. I'm not really sure he's built from the back any more than Hughton did. Really, what has he changed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I think it's totally fair to question some of Pardew's tactics and formation especially in recent games. However he's gone a long way to sorting out the backline something nobody has done in years. We haven't seen this "free flowing" football he kept banging on about before the season started but if he'd got that going and sorted the back line we'd probably still be in the top four. With much more movement up front with Ba and Cisse I think we'll see things open up a bit again. I'm glad he's built from the back and the team is still evolving. Considering where we thought we might be and where we are I think people are getting ahead of themselves. I also agree with the "who else could we get" But yes yesterday was a complete shower of shit............. I'm not really sure he's built from the back any more than Hughton did. Really, what has he changed? we were a remarkably solid defensive unit until Saylor got injured Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 This season we were always going to have mixed fortunes. Start of the season my main aim was for us to show signs of turning into an attractive team. We've shown glimpses which gives me massive hope for the next few seasons and we were never going to transform from a direct style, to slick carpet football overnight. Even more so when for every Cabaye, HBA and Santon, there's still a Simpson, Ameobi or R.Taylor. Big players will leave, but the type of player signed lately gives me faith that the replacement will help improve the way we play, while at the same time fazing out the weaker, limited players who enforce us to go longer at times, replacing them with more players in the mould of Santon and Cabaye who will help us play more attractive stuff more of the time. He has his flaws, but he's done far more good than bad, and will continue to do so imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chubby Jason Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I actually really dislike Pardew. He comes across as a smug arrogant cock despite having not really done anything in his career to justify such an attitude (perhaps come the end of this season he may have something to crow about.) However he is doing a great job here and his first year or so in charge has been excellent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Who would we get in his place?? Who would work under the pressure of Mike and Derek with no control over players sales??? Louis van Gaal...prefers youth to expensive stars. Perfect for Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 This season we were always going to have mixed fortunes. Start of the season my main aim was for us to show signs of turning into an attractive team. We've shown glimpses which gives me massive hope for the next few seasons and we were never going to transform from a direct style, to slick carpet football overnight. Even more so when for every Cabaye, HBA and Santon, there's still a Simpson, Ameobi or R.Taylor. Big players will leave, but the type of player signed lately gives me faith that the replacement will help improve the way we play, while at the same time fazing out the weaker, limited players who enforce us to go longer at times, replacing them with more players in the mould of Santon and Cabaye who will help us play more attractive stuff more of the time. He has his flaws, but he's done far more good than bad, and will continue to do so imo. My view is you could put most any manager in charge of these players and get similar results. All he has to do is pick the right team and formation and he seems really confused by that. Interesting he had Ferguson on the bench yesterday because I remember a few games ago asking why we didn't have any cover for left back yet had Best and Shola on the bench just in case one big bastard wasn't enough. His decisions are bizarre tbh. In his defence he's a good talker and probably a good man motivator. Best on the wing and Shola up front FFS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filflop1 Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 So where 6th in the league and where calling for his head Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 This will defnintely be a Giggs, but I couldn't find it, but has The People front page been posted yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 This will defnintely be a Giggs, but I couldn't find it, but has The People front page been posted yet? Not seen it, not read every post in every thread though, just post it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Errr no? http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/505366281.jpg?Expires=1327836731&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=sFlvgzWiZG5KvFjrFXzb52rtUTYkbdOTSQ5lA~214YOeleXeLp5JjJkrWHKj6jbzAX8RGCMMySWEq9AcHRu7UqP90115yql2Uz2MBVDBbQtzlqDnEPBA5POIutSZ9wKg4LjF9PCXlEqhjZue9rJfru4Fz38ZB7gXtZ4bHsH7lBI_ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I haven't got a picture but basically the front pge is Pardew in a club with 3 other women in Tenerife. Also has Saylor snogging a blonde lass and necking a bottle od champagne. Simpson is also out in the same club and Best, Colo and Jonas. Pardewhas those 'session' glasses on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 meh, so what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Uploading a picture now, won't be long Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShearMagic Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I actually really dislike Pardew. He comes across as a smug arrogant cock despite having not really done anything in his career to justify such an attitude (perhaps come the end of this season he may have something to crow about.) However he is doing a great job here and his first year or so in charge has been excellent. He's a Cockney. All Cockney's come across as smug, arrogant cocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chubby Jason Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I actually really dislike Pardew. He comes across as a smug arrogant cock despite having not really done anything in his career to justify such an attitude (perhaps come the end of this season he may have something to crow about.) However he is doing a great job here and his first year or so in charge has been excellent. He's a Cockney. All Cockney's come across as smug, arrogant cocks. http://mycoral.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Harry-Redknapp-wink.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/5862/20120129112011.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chubby Jason Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Nothing wrong with a bit of booze and a night out. Builds team spirit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I'm counting the days until Pardew is sacked. Sometimes the first impression is the right one and mine was formed when Pardew pandered to the East End rags and dropped Mascherano and Tevez because he just didn't know how to use them. His best results have come when he's reverted to the long ball because that's where his heart lies, but our buying policy is light years ahead and he's struggling to incorporate modern day footballers into his '80s mindset. I don't know why he took the players to Tenerife tbh, he should have took them to Butlins. while i think this is way ott i have the same gut feeling, in the same way i felt that hughton had took us as far as he was going around the time he was bagged a better manager could get more out of what we've got imo, but that's a blindingly simplistic way to look at things - for a start how many "better managers" could work under MA and DL? Mojo, TRon is being ridiculous in his comments, way OTT as per. Yes, it is overwhelmingly likely that (at the moment) Pardew is not an 'elite' manager who can guide his team past the 'big boys' on a consistent basis - he also seems to suffer from the team 'underperforming' as a group when the expectations are for them to win the match (it could be said that previous wins from this position have been down to individual brilliance rather than an overall good team performance). However, to say that you're counting the days down until he's sacked [TRon] Pardew fits our club in the current system and where we're at. We've not had a top half finish in the Premiership for 5 years, one of those years spent in the Championship. We've not won a trophy for 19223123years and not contested a major final since the 1970s*. This is not to say that we can't win trophies or challenge for titles, or that we don't deserve to, but it's a bit rich to expect us to be hiring world-class managers and signing world-class players - ask yourself [with your b&w specs off]: why would they want to come? We need to re-establish ourselves as a genuine Premiership team, 3+ seasons of consecutive top 6 finishes and we become a regular European team. This means we not only earn more money through TV + prize money, but we become a more attractive prospect for those players with the quality of Ben Arfa (but without the alleged dodgy temperament/baggage). When we get to this stage, we may well find that Pardew hasn't evolved or adapted and we've surpassed his ceiling. In that case, in the same way Hughton was sent packing when it became clear he wasn't going to kick on, it'll be time to wave goodbye to Pards - but we have to get there first. Pards has shown some interesting ideas and some new ways of working which have seemingly benefitted the club this season (we're over-performing everyone's initial expectations for this season), so there's definitely a lot of good things for him to work with and expand upon over the second half of the season. Now that we've achieved Premiership safety (or at least 4 points from it), there's now a cushion for him to try installing his own way of playing (pass + move, fluid football) in a competitive environment with the players he's been working with for over a year. He can introduce some of the youngsters that have impressed him and try other players in slightly different positions to give them a chance. We've also got the rest of the season to help Cisse bed into the club, with no immediate pressure for him to score. He's not perfect and he has some points which look to have cost us wins this season; however, we have to give managers the chance to evolve and learn from their mistakes before we start praying for their departure. Only if we were dragged into the bottom three, with a team looking bereft of leadership or ideas, would I consider sacking a manager 18months into his tenure. Yesterday's performance and result were both disappointing, a cup run would look to be our best shot of success but it wasn't to be this season as we've underperformed in both cups, despite playing reasonably strong teams in the games that we've been knocked out - similar to last season. If Pardew is genuine with his comments about wanting to go on another cup run (a la WHU) then he needs to work out how to get his players on the same wavelength, because they're playing in the cups like they'd rather be at home . *I don't count two no-shows at the old Wembley in 98 + 99 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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