Skeletor Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I get upset about the Souness era every time I see Craig Bellamy kick a ball. Agree completely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Sad really that Bellamy was thrown out of the club and would have comfortably walked back into our team every season in the 8 years he's been gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 agree with Stu - but it's revisionist to say hughton was binned because it became clear he wasn't going to kick on. Just going off the line that the club spun. Fwiw, I really like Hughton and think he'll bring Birmingham up this season. Does things differently to a lot of managers, the antithesis of Ferguson, but there are more than one or two ways to skin a cat (or manage a team in the Premiership). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Sad really that Bellamy was thrown out of the club and would have comfortably walked back into our team every season in the 8 years he's been gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Sad really that Bellamy was thrown out of the club and would have comfortably walked back into our team every season in the 8 years he's been gone. sourmess thought it was a good idea to farm him out on loan to celtic when fat fred gifted him the generous england michael owen i still remember people calling me a mackem on a certain site when i showed displeasure in that transfer debacle. damn regardless of how tight ashley is im still so glad we dont have the halls and sheppered in charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Will be interesting to see what happens with Redknapp because I do think there's a decent chance of Pardew getting the England gig if Redknapp's no longer an option because of this tax stuff. A lot of people down my way who actually care about the England team are suddenly talking about Pardew as a serious candidate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Pardew and England? It would be a bigger disaster than McLaren Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 it is interesting though, if you try to think, there really isnt that many top class english managers out there. if any. why is that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Banaloona Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 it is interesting though, if you try to think, there really isnt that many top class english managers out there. if any. why is that? Because the FA's coach Education is stuck in the 1980's. We don't produce coaches just like we don't produce technically gifted players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Is Scotland's any better? Why do they produce so many good ones, relative to the size of the country? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 The Souness era was Shepherd's fault. Anyone that would prefer him to Ashley seriously needs their heads examened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 it is interesting though, if you try to think, there really isnt that many top class english managers out there. if any. why is that? Because the FA's coach Education is stuck in the 1980's. We don't produce coaches just like we don't produce technically gifted players. I think your view is stuck in the 2000's, see the coaching thread on here for a sign o' the times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 It's definitely starting to change. Particularly those that bother to buck the trend at grassroots. It'll get better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 A lot of blame gets heaped on the manager but the reason England continue to struggle is not because of poor managers or coahes but because as a game in general we are decades behind everyone else when it comes to kids' football. Go and watch a game of football between kids in England and then go and compare for example in say Holland (which I have done) and the differences are staggering. Their 7 year olds are better than our 7 year olds, they play better football, can play more than one position and the game itself is generally played on the deck. Having said that, our coaching standards are poor too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 The Souness era was Shepherd's fault. Anyone that would prefer him to Ashley seriously needs their heads examened. I'd prefer Shepherd to Ashley because he understood football and had ambition even if it was more often than not misguided. The Souness era was disasterous for this club but nowhere near as disasterous as the Ashley era has been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 The Souness era was Shepherd's fault. Anyone that would prefer him to Ashley seriously needs their heads examened. ((Woop woop wOOP )) An alarm just went off in Ne5 towers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Is Scotland's any better? Why do they produce so many good ones, relative to the size of the country? I think there's seven current Premier League managers from the Glasgow area alone, amazing really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 A lot of blame gets heaped on the manager but the reason England continue to struggle is not because of poor managers or coahes but because as a game in general we are decades behind everyone else when it comes to kids' football. Go and watch a game of football between kids in England and then go and compare for example in say Holland (which I have done) and the differences are staggering. Their 7 year olds are better than our 7 year olds, they play better football, can play more than one position and the game itself is generally played on the deck. Having said that, our coaching standards are poor too. Small pitches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Is Scotland's any better? Why do they produce so many good ones, relative to the size of the country? Fergie is obviously world-class but Moyes, Dalglish et al are average or ordinary. I'd say as a whole British managers are not as good as their foreign counter-parts just like our footballers are not as good and I'd put that down to our mentality, culture and methods which start right athe very forefront of football - kids' football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 The Souness era was Shepherd's fault. Anyone that would prefer him to Ashley seriously needs their heads examened. The Shepherd regime had some fantastic times that help anyone debating on his side. Not many (well only HTL/NE5) would admit we weren't drastically in decline by the end of that regime though. Hopefully (won't hold my breath) Ashley is starting to get enough things right/a bit of luck and things are starting to click into place. We obviously won't get to the level we were on before due to the Chelsea/City cash cows but IF we continue to build like we have been recently and replace players sold (inevitable) with similar quality we can start to really challenge as a regular top 6 team imo which would be comparable to the Shepherd/Hall ownership imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 The Souness era was Shepherd's fault. Anyone that would prefer him to Ashley seriously needs their heads examened. I'd prefer Shepherd to Ashley because he understood football and had ambition even if it was more often than not misguided. The Souness era was disasterous for this club but nowhere near as disasterous as the Ashley era has been. shepered understood football lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 A lot of blame gets heaped on the manager but the reason England continue to struggle is not because of poor managers or coahes but because as a game in general we are decades behind everyone else when it comes to kids' football. Go and watch a game of football between kids in England and then go and compare for example in say Holland (which I have done) and the differences are staggering. Their 7 year olds are better than our 7 year olds, they play better football, can play more than one position and the game itself is generally played on the deck. Having said that, our coaching standards are poor too. Small pitches. Its ridiculous how kids as young as 10 are asked to play footy on adult size pitches. Go and watch an under-11 game in England and its ferocious, hoof ball, tackles flying in and very little football played. A typical championship game or average Premier League game really but with kids. Go and watch the equiverlent in Holland or Argentina... its a different ball game man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 The Souness era was Shepherd's fault. Anyone that would prefer him to Ashley seriously needs their heads examened. I'd prefer Shepherd to Ashley because he understood football and had ambition even if it was more often than not misguided. The Souness era was disasterous for this club but nowhere near as disasterous as the Ashley era has been. The only things Shepherd understood were eating pies and taking money out of the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Ridsdale took Leeds to the Champs League Semis, Bates got Chelsea in the top 4 a few times. If they offered to buy us would people take them over Ashley? Would they shite man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 The Souness era was Shepherd's fault. Anyone that would prefer him to Ashley seriously needs their heads examened. I'd prefer Shepherd to Ashley because he understood football and had ambition even if it was more often than not misguided. The Souness era was disasterous for this club but nowhere near as disasterous as the Ashley era has been. Aye, ambition to line his pockets while keeping the mongs in check with geordie nation platitudes and fatuous headline grabbing signings. The cnut. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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