Mick Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Pardew has taken loads of stick tonight, everybody was moaning about him when we were coming out of the ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Ian if we were letting them have the ball as you say then that is totally unacceptable. Did you see Spurs letting us have it last week? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I'm glad this forum isn't a good indicator of the way your average newcastle fans think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 There may be some hope, Hughton was sacked for less. Cheers, mate, it is our only hope. Crap manager. Proven yet again. He's not crap, just average but getting (was) the results, but the performances are getting worse, points being lost and in some cases were getting hidings, with the players we've got it should be better than this. Hughton was sacked for being a naive manager too pally with his players, and he's been replaced with a manager who isn't learning, isn't developing himself or the players and is too pally with players who are letting the side down, while not playing the kind of players who can open up a team and win you games. He'd have been better off sticking with Nolan and smith, god knows he's got a man crush on ameobi who does fuk all every time he steps on the pitch. Sick to death of him, lucky he's got the points he's got because had he had the points our play deserves he'd have gone a long time ago. No faith in him now, he's fuking stupid, ive had enough of stupid no balls managers at this club, it's a game, play it, stop the tactical battle when you cannot even out smart someone with no experience and a team full of clobbers. Bang on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Pardew has taken loads of stick tonight, everybody was moaning about him when we were coming out of the ground. Which is fine. Talk of getting rid is ludicrous though, IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 His tactics have worked, but I hate elements of them like. Knocking the ball long when you have players who can craft openings and stretch oppositions irritates me. He's rarely got tactics, he just seems to send the players out and hopes for the best. Not only did he start Ryan Taylor but he seemed to play him through the middle and I don't want to get started on his use or abuse of substitutions today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 We were poor in the first half tbh, created very little and never deserved to be 2-0 up. You could look at it like that, but IMO the goals went in so quickly that they influenced the performance rather than the other way around. And Wolves certainly didn't 'deserve' a goal themselves, their attacking play was shocking. No more shocking than ours. 2-0 up against a team who are basically managerless, low on confidence and are basically there for the taking. We should have went for their fucking throats and stuck 4 or 5 by them, not sat back and tried to hold what we had and invite them to try and do something. It was gutless and fucking stupid, and it's cost us two massive points today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I'm glad this forum isn't a good indicator of the way your average newcastle fans think. I've had several text messages from mates who went saying things like "this is shit", "we are shit", "Pardew's clueless" etc. And this was at 2-1. I think the average fan after the match if asked their opinion would be ripping into the players, tactics and manager. On here I think people, although reactionary, are more measured in their opinions and analyse things more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 We were poor in the first half tbh, created very little and never deserved to be 2-0 up. You could look at it like that, but IMO the goals went in so quickly that they influenced the performance rather than the other way around. And Wolves certainly didn't 'deserve' a goal themselves, their attacking play was shocking. No more shocking than ours. 2-0 up against a team who are basically managerless, low on confidence and are basically there for the taking. We should have went for their f***ing throats and stuck 4 or 5 by them, not sat back and tried to hold what we had and invite them to try and do something. It was gutless and f***ing stupid, and it's cost us two massive points today. 100%, I was desperate for us to kill it off, but we just sat back to try and play it out. Terrible. They could be the worst team we have to play as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 So what, we sack him? Come on then, so many opinions, very little indication of what the people who are running the club should do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 No good sacking him mid-season really, finish off season with him and then bring in someone positive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Al Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 There may be some hope, Hughton was sacked for less. Cheers, mate, it is our only hope. Crap manager. Proven yet again. He's not crap, just average but getting (was) the results, but the performances are getting worse, points being lost and in some cases were getting hidings, with the players we've got it should be better than this. Hughton was sacked for being a naive manager too pally with his players, and he's been replaced with a manager who isn't learning, isn't developing himself or the players and is too pally with players who are letting the side down, while not playing the kind of players who can open up a team and win you games. He'd have been better off sticking with Nolan and smith, god knows he's got a man crush on ameobi who does fuk all every time he steps on the pitch. Sick to death of him, lucky he's got the points he's got because had he had the points our play deserves he'd have gone a long time ago. No faith in him now, he's fuking stupid, ive had enough of stupid no balls managers at this club, it's a game, play it, stop the tactical battle when you cannot even out smart someone with no experience and a team full of clobbers. WHAM - decent cup run, lost the final in a true looser style. No need to remind anyone about Tevez and Masch. Sacked some months later when the new season started awfully. Charlton - a true failure. Soton - nothing of note. Sacked in dubious circumstances. Bad work ethic suspected [to elaborate it very carefully]. NUFC - 13 months later, he continues to play the hoof ball and to use negative game plans, no matter who the opposition is. No Plan Bs at all. Clueless. He is a crap manager in spite of this season results. Just Lady Luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I'm glad this forum isn't a good indicator of the way your average newcastle fans think. I've had several text messages from mates who went saying things like "this is shit", "we are shit", "Pardew's clueless" etc. And this was at 2-1. I think the average fan after the match if asked their opinion would be ripping into the players, tactics and manager. On here I think people, although reactionary, are more measured in their opinions and analyse things more. I can confidently say I haven't met one Newcastle fan who wants Pardew sacked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 So what, we sack him? Come on then, so many opinions, very little indication of what the people who are running the club should do? Upgrade in the summer (fwiw I reckon it'll happen the summer after). If we continue to sign players of the quality we have recently there'll be no excuses left. We're having a great season but I just want to see the back of it now because it's plain to see we have no ambitions of playing any football. We're not going anywhere unless he changes his plan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I'm still very angry sp this is probably the wrong time to ask. Just want to see us play well with good footy SOMETIME, and then could pin hopes on that being the ideal and we'll get there. I would kill for Brendan Rogers right now however. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 We did the same against QPR and Villa, sat back, play a game of contain etc. Its awful. I hope Ashley and co are having the same thoughts they had leading up to the sacking of Hughton where Pardew is concerned. If he doesn't act, that good scouting and recruitment system will be wasted on us as is happening in a micro-manner with Ben Arfa and to a lesser extent Cabaye who I personally think is a cracking player but because of Pardew's tactics and the way we line up in midfield, he's neither here nor there as a player and is becoming an increasingly average type of performer for us when he has so much more in his game to really help us, i.e. his high energy, his passing ability, his bite and drive, his goal threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Might have been mentioned, but it was ridiculous that he brought the two subs on just before the freekick in a dangerous position.Not saying Cisse or Raylor would have prevented a goal but we would still have had 3 subs to play with to get a winner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Aye, I agree our general approach isn't what I'd ideally like to see, but I can see why Pardew has stuck with it as it keeps getting him results. I can also see why he's stuck with it, he doesn't know any other way, he's as one dimensional as you're ever likely to see in a manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 It was a poor time before free kick, but thought he was at least proactively trying to fix the problem before they scored again...just a bit too late. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest andrew Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 His team is built on being very narrow and tight and all banks of four are very straight and well ordered. We could get away with it if we had steven taylor but we look a shambles defensively with Williamson and Simpson. he's become extremely scared of other teams counterring us since chelsea did in december but in fact since then we hvave done far worse and the hoof ball has increased (norwich, fulham, spurs). The stranget hign is I don't remember us playing quite this ugly last season. it's a strange set up really. he wants everyone pressing and filling back in high up the pitch and quickly reorganising into very rigid lines. he has no idea how to utilise cabaye or ben arfa. --full back--deep centre half--ball playing centre half--full back --defensive wide man--box to box cm--stopper--defensive wide man-- ------------------------deep forward----poacher-------------------- There's no room for flair because it won't allow the rigid side of our game to work. Cabaye's been adjusted to just be a constant runner and tbf he can do it because of his sheer stamina but he's wasted imo. I'm not sure he's that tactically strong, he knows how to be a tough immobile unit that is hard to break through the middle and poor full backs are backed up by strong defensive wingers but in terms of possession play and movement he has no clue. He either just hopes Cabaye, Jonas, Ba (Hatem when he plays) already have a good enough footballing knowledge to do it without instruction or he genuinely believes the best method is to stop them penetrating us and hitting it towards Ba/player capable of magic. I really hope he has some new formation or plan lined up but I doubt it. My best hope is we manage to sneak 6th come the end of the season and he has pre season to attract some better technical players and rethinks his strategy- hopefully moulding a specific role for Ben Arfa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 So what, we sack him? Come on then, so many opinions, very little indication of what the people who are running the club should do? No, we keep him until the summer and then we do what we do when looking at for example, improving say right-back, we scout and recruit an upgrade. I'd personally go for Jol, he's used to having players scouted and recruited for him, so can work under Ashley. Furthermore he knows this league, sets his sides up to play football and has European experience. He's tactically very underrated too. Plus he's a nice guy. Ask a Spurs fan what they think about him and they all speak highly of him, or most do. He started the work Redknapp has simply continued. I know Fulham are not exactly flying high but they do well enough and play good football. He'll comfortably keep them up which is kind of what they seek in a manager, someone to keep them up. Or there is this up and coming manager at Birmingham who looks to be a canny one.... Pardew isn't the answer. We will not evolve as a footballing side under him. We'll only regress which is what has happened. We played better football under Hughton and displayed better tactics too. Results or rather league position is better under Pardew but that will soon change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 We did the same against QPR and Villa, sat back, play a game of contain etc. Its awful. I hope Ashley and co are having the same thoughts they had leading up to the sacking of Hughton where Pardew is concerned. If he doesn't act, that good scouting and recruitment system will be wasted on us as is happening in a micro-manner with Ben Arfa and to a lesser extent Cabaye who I personally think is a cracking player but because of Pardew's tactics and the way we line up in midfield, he's neither here nor there as a player and is becoming an increasingly average type of performer for us when he has so much more in his game to really help us, i.e. his high energy, his passing ability, his bite and drive, his goal threat. Again not defending the performance today but you've named three games out of 26 that you're not happy with - none of which we've lost. Hardly an indictment of a failing manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Something needs to change, we haven't looked convincing for a while now. Whether it's going 433 or switching out a couple of players who are off form (Jonas, Simpson). Not getting another defender in is looking more of a terrible move each passing game, because Simpson seriously needs dropping and Williamson has looked dodgy too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 We did the same against QPR and Villa, sat back, play a game of contain etc. Its awful. I hope Ashley and co are having the same thoughts they had leading up to the sacking of Hughton where Pardew is concerned. If he doesn't act, that good scouting and recruitment system will be wasted on us as is happening in a micro-manner with Ben Arfa and to a lesser extent Cabaye who I personally think is a cracking player but because of Pardew's tactics and the way we line up in midfield, he's neither here nor there as a player and is becoming an increasingly average type of performer for us when he has so much more in his game to really help us, i.e. his high energy, his passing ability, his bite and drive, his goal threat. Again not defending the performance today but you've named three games out of 26 that you're not happy with - none of which we've lost. Hardly an indictment of a failing manager. I could name you 20 games where I have not been happy with our performance. As I've already said, the Wolves away game, was pretty much the same, we won of course and great, but for me, performances are the true indicator of what's happening or what's coming and if we do not change the way we play our football I'll tell you what is coming.... more of the same today and that's not good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ERpU9U_SoTs/TWAqpcrU1VI/AAAAAAAACLU/4dQ9TEpbyKM/s1600/olmeg.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts